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HiPointDem

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66. i don't see any way to compare charters v. non-charters within districts or states, nor over time.

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Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:07 PM

Sep 2012

nor pre-charter to post-charter.

i see a bunch of individual school reports.

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Now We Know Our ABCs. And Charter Schools Get an F. [View all] xchrom Sep 2012 OP

deregulated schooling is a big fail but a great profit center on the government dime HiPointDem Sep 2012 #1

Where have they been deregulated? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #8

they're being deregulated everywhere, as we speak. deregulation has never, anywhere, meant HiPointDem Sep 2012 #14

Yours is a unique usage of the term "deregulation" ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #26

And a unique usage of the term "neglige" nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #48

french transfer "negliger" to neglect via 19th-century novels. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #83

Ah, excuse my gaucherie. wtmusic Sep 2012 #86

i figured...:>) HiPointDem Sep 2012 #96

That's what charter schools are. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #51

Depends what state you are in ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #87

deregulated schooling??? MAUREENH60 Sep 2012 #81

Not in Rhode Island hack89 Sep 2012 #2

they're still not on equal footing doomcupcake Sep 2012 #4

That issue is addressed in RI law hack89 Sep 2012 #6

We have the same regs in the state where I teach proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #52

We have stricter oversight in RI hack89 Sep 2012 #58

Democrats wrote the charter laws here proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #63

Since you are so familiar with RI law, perhaps you can point out specific weak areas? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #69

No more familiar than you are with MO politics. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #101

But I have not commented on MO policies. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #103

But they can accept the best students in that district and not accept Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #64

Against the law in RI hack89 Sep 2012 #71

Some public schools have admissions processes and other hoops as well ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #10

People REALLY need to understand this!!!! lunasun Sep 2012 #12

HOW TRUE secondwind Sep 2012 #27

and now you have achievement first, and you'll pay for the school buildings that *they'll* own. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #9

They lease presently shuttered school buildings hack89 Sep 2012 #15

uh-huh. well, we'll see who winds up owning them. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #16

They were a liability to the taxpayers hack89 Sep 2012 #20

uh-huh. a terrible liability, i'm sure. the schools that are emptied to fill achievement first's HiPointDem Sep 2012 #21

Ok - we like charter schools. They work. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #32

They work...better. For now. wtmusic Sep 2012 #35

In RI at least, there is no relationship between spending and student achievement hack89 Sep 2012 #37

Improving public investment doesn't necessarily mean more money. wtmusic Sep 2012 #45

like i said, show me the data. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #56

Here are the RI school reports for every school and every district. hack89 Sep 2012 #59

i don't see any way to compare charters v. non-charters within districts or states, nor over time. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #66

When I Google "RI charter schools" this is what I got hack89 Sep 2012 #68

as you say RI charters are better than other RI schools & have improved outcomes for HiPointDem Sep 2012 #70

I think we have reached the point where the spoon feeding ends hack89 Sep 2012 #73

I'm seriously not trying to be difficult. But I would like to know what the official analysis says HiPointDem Sep 2012 #76

The system is broken b/c the powers that be intentionally starve the schools so they Dustlawyer Sep 2012 #36

No - Providence has some of the highest per student spending in the state. hack89 Sep 2012 #38

uh, yes, so the PR says in every state in the union. but when you actually look into the numbers, HiPointDem Sep 2012 #43

If you say so. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #46

show me the data for RI. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #49

Sure hack89 Sep 2012 #53

So since i don't know much about RI, i'm comparing the one city/district i do know a bit about HiPointDem Sep 2012 #100

Yep. That's what they say about the schools where I teach also. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Sep 2012 #55

Do the Charter schools take any child that show up at their doors? bluestate10 Sep 2012 #31

Pretty much. hack89 Sep 2012 #33

And how are the remaining 20% of students in the district served by this arrangement? nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #40

That number was just a hypothetical hack89 Sep 2012 #47

Many of them are the public school Phentex Sep 2012 #42

I'm kind of shocked to read that they do *worse* than traditional public schools. reformist2 Sep 2012 #3

some do far worse; some do far better zazen Sep 2012 #5

The Effect of Creaming oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #23

Not in every state hack89 Sep 2012 #7

i think you better do some reading. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #13

In RI the charter schools do as well as public schools. hack89 Sep 2012 #17

The results are dramatically mixed ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #11

there's not a goddamn thing any charter does that's "very specific" or "original". HiPointDem Sep 2012 #18

What about language immersion charters? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #24

omg, language immersion! earth-shattering revolution! unprecedented! why didn't anyone HiPointDem Sep 2012 #41

You continue to ignore and denigrate the niche charter school ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #88

you said charters were doing all these innovative things. charters are a trojan horse *designed* HiPointDem Sep 2012 #95

I said niche charters were doing innovative things and addressing things the mainline schools cannot ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #98

You said, & I quote: Some of them that are taking some very specific and original ways of doing HiPointDem Sep 2012 #99

K & R! lonestarnot Sep 2012 #19

Vouchers are NOT charter schools. fasttense Sep 2012 #22

Are charters not turning our nation's wealth over to corporations as well? nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #34

Don't assess teachers after they're hired? wtmusic Sep 2012 #25

Comprehension. It matters. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #57

Not nearly as much as comprehensibility. wtmusic Sep 2012 #61

Do you understand the difference between assess and evaluate? proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #62

Of course. And OP is not using it in the educational context. nt wtmusic Sep 2012 #65

The OP isn't addressing evaluation proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #72

OP is using "assessment" as a synonym for "evaluation" wtmusic Sep 2012 #75

No it's not. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #102

"Assessment of Teachers? Before Hiring, Not After." wtmusic Sep 2012 #104

k&r Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #28

As long as public schools have to take any child that shows up at their doors, bluestate10 Sep 2012 #29

How much of the "tax avoided" is really just a timing item (i.e. bonus depreciation). joeglow3 Sep 2012 #30

re:Now We Know Our ABCs. And Charter Schools Get an F. allan01 Sep 2012 #39

In GA, I can't say all... Phentex Sep 2012 #44

Not all charter schools are a failure LynneSin Sep 2012 #50

Nationwide, 17% have been successful. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #60

That high? LynneSin Sep 2012 #67

That's a national average proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #74

Two thirds of the charters schools in that study were the equal or better than public schools hack89 Sep 2012 #90

Do you have a reference on that? BlueStreak Sep 2012 #77

stanford credo study HiPointDem Sep 2012 #78

Here's a link BlueStreak Sep 2012 #79

You misread the report. It says 17% are superior to public schools hack89 Sep 2012 #89

I didn't misread anything proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #91

So public schools are not a good standard by which to judge a successful school? hack89 Sep 2012 #92

Spending more money to get the same result is a success to you? girl gone mad Sep 2012 #94

In RI they don't cost more hack89 Sep 2012 #97

Sure, they may admit students based on a lottery, but do they have to keep them? KSstellarcat Sep 2012 #80

charter schools MAUREENH60 Sep 2012 #82

Yet they are required by law to take these kids proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #84

Not when charters are legally considered considered public schools hack89 Sep 2012 #85

Sorry, but your post does not state the grounds on which a student can be removed from a charter. KSstellarcat Sep 2012 #93