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In the discussion thread: An open letter to folks like myself who cannot in good conscience vote for Obama [View all]

Sat Sep 22, 2012, 07:29 PM

387. Yeah, I do!

Voted in that election too. Of course if Obama hadn't sold out the liberal wing of the party he wouldn't have depressed the vote so badly. People react badly to bad faith.

Also, my gripe isn't just "Obama ain't done shit", it is the things he has done, like expand Bush policies and legalize them.

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An open letter to folks like myself who cannot in good conscience vote for Obama [View all]	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	OP
Can you be more specific about what's ticking you off?	Cooley Hurd	Sep 2012	#1
I have discussed this at length	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#26
Thanks Kelvin. I agree with you regarding the list...	Cooley Hurd	Sep 2012	#44
I would think the CIA	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#55
My take: A vote for Obama is a huge vote against Citizens United. That's enough for me.	nanabugg	Sep 2012	#299
Barring a Constitutional amendment	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#342
misguided anger...a President can't do shit without cooperation from congress	spanone	Sep 2012	#2
so if presidents 'can't do shit', why the focus on presidential elections?	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#17
money. Celebrities sell the party brand n/t	librechik	Sep 2012	#19
It's best if you learn how the US Government works and get taught recent history but you're	uponit7771	Sep 2012	#66
that tone is sure to draw many disaffected to your cause	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#70
Supreme Court nominations.	GaYellowDawg	Sep 2012	#77
From your posting history, I'm not sure you ever had "a cause", at least not one that....	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#161
i'm a life-long democrat who has never voted republican. i post here to discuss policy issues that	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#170
Yeah, and this is the part you forgot.	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#171
i posted the entire statement. i forgot nothing. as i said, if you have a problem with me or my	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#172
There is electing Democrats period, and there is electing Democrats comma	eridani	Sep 2012	#452
You don't know this person, clearly.	tavalon	Sep 2012	#178
Democrat is used as synonymous with "liberal"	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#346
Tell it to Jill Stein over at Green Underground. Oh wait......	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#348
I greatly resent being accused of "spouting" any GOP "meme"	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#124
It's sad that some self-described Liberals suffer self-defeatism.	BlueCaliDem	Sep 2012	#304
Face palm!	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#347
Well,	blue neen	Sep 2012	#373
How many different way can I say	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#376
Sworn statement? Strange, since I didn't say that you aren't voting.	blue neen	Sep 2012	#378
My profound apologies	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#383
No problem!	blue neen	Sep 2012	#388
re: Bush	GaYellowDawg	Sep 2012	#75
Bush got a bunch of tax cuts and wars	Hippo_Tron	Sep 2012	#113
bush got no child left behind with increased spending to close schools, not to mention an entirely	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#193
My objections	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#27
I respect your compromise here a lot	CitizenPatriot	Sep 2012	#112
Thank you for understanding	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#343
You're not misguided	tavalon	Sep 2012	#179
Then let's stop spending all this money and time on the Presidential election and start focusing on	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#74
Explain it to me	tavalon	Sep 2012	#182
Exactly	Champion Jack	Sep 2012	#250
Actually, reality is the converse.	Starboard Tack	Sep 2012	#530
Thanks, Kelvin. You could also consider it a vote to try to help me gain equal rights.	Zorra	Sep 2012	#3
Yeah, what you said. Rmoney would be a disaster.	Booster	Sep 2012	#8
Yes and women too	Freddie	Sep 2012	#190
I will indeed	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#344
lol ~	Zorra	Sep 2012	#420
Put that bottle down. Right now !!	russspeakeasy	Sep 2012	#4
Remember, we don't elect Kings.	sadbear	Sep 2012	#5
Once again,	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#30
he sets his own ed policy too. and pubs are happy to vote the money to destroy public education.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#35
But you're basis is without merit.	sadbear	Sep 2012	#47
I keep trying to avoid arguing this issue	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#56
President Obama doesn't govern is a vacuum.	sadbear	Sep 2012	#127
On issues directly under executive authority	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#349
You don't think so?	sadbear	Sep 2012	#368
This message was self-deleted by its author	CreekDog	Sep 2012	#301
Reading comprehension is hard, huh?	tavalon	Sep 2012	#183
Short memory, huh?	sadbear	Sep 2012	#263
And that, in an elegant nutshell, is what the OP did	tavalon	Sep 2012	#394
Why do you insist on being insulting to everyone, even fellow DU'ers?	sadbear	Sep 2012	#399
I was wrong and self deleted, I'm sorry	CreekDog	Sep 2012	#516
They require congressional cooperation and YOU KNOW THAT	uponit7771	Sep 2012	#67
Obama kept fighting for DOMA	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#352
Republicans did not choose his cabinet, he did. I hope this time he can find some	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#85
President Obama did run on a somewhat "post-partisan" platform.	sadbear	Sep 2012	#129
He did NOT run on indefinite detention. He did not run on protecting War Criminals	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#175
I'm with you all the way!	tavalon	Sep 2012	#186
He's actually going to have to	tavalon	Sep 2012	#185
Yep, if that slimy skunk or any of his ilk are involved in Obama's second term	tavalon	Sep 2012	#184
I am glad to see you will cast Obama	PowerToThePeople	Sep 2012	#6
I'm not so sure	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#57
I will vote for him, despite extreme misgivings...	immoderate	Sep 2012	#7
I completely understand the pragamatic	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#32
Yeah, had I not already done the mental gymnastics to be okay with this,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#187
You got to read paragraph8, or is it 9?, so the guy will vote for Obama anyway..ok??	Stuart G	Sep 2012	#9
probably better if he just dind't vote than to spread this negative crap	JI7	Sep 2012	#18
Really?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#33
Who Needs Voter Disenfranchising	otohara	Sep 2012	#372
Yeah, I do!	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#387
Why? Why are people on a Democratic board advocating that people just 'stfu and vote'?	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#80
Thank you for your eloquenrt summation	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#123
I couldn't agree more	tavalon	Sep 2012	#189
Giving people a reason TO vote is 'negative crap'??	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#318
LOL good thing you aren't working for the campaign	Marrah_G	Sep 2012	#488
Hah!	brush	Sep 2012	#10
I have never had an intention, desire or inclination to vote for Romney	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#58
The old 'if you oppose the Iraq War, you love Saddam' logic.	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#321
Like I said	brush	Sep 2012	#330
A vote is a vote.	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#335
Unfortunately there are many of us who will be voting with less enthusiasm this time.	unapatriciated	Oct 2012	#532
How do you know the purged voter would have voted for Obama?	leftstreet	Sep 2012	#11
The odds are very high that a purged voter would vote for Obama.	Zorra	Sep 2012	#21
Why weren't they purged in 2008?	leftstreet	Sep 2012	#24
there have been new attempts to purge more voters	JI7	Sep 2012	#25
If you check the link to the RMS	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#34
Have you been in a cave? You do know what happened in the 2010 midterms, right?	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#163
Oh, so you're saying none of us are disillusioned by what Obama promised and chose	tavalon	Sep 2012	#195
Here's what "Kelvin Mace" did in NC...Worked for Verified Voting! INFO:	KoKo	Sep 2012	#408
Uneducated	tavalon	Sep 2012	#194
You're funny	tavalon	Sep 2012	#192
What's the Obama Admin doing about this suppression issue?	leftstreet	Sep 2012	#285
Nothing	tavalon	Sep 2012	#386
So have you decided not to vote? Throwaway vote which means a vote for Romney?	Whovian	Sep 2012	#12
Please read what I said	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#36
it was not quite plain	Whisp	Sep 2012	#114
What part of	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#126
your title says something entirely different	Whisp	Sep 2012	#409
You need to read better	RetroLounge	Sep 2012	#419
What part of this was not clear?	enlightenment	Sep 2012	#362
It was very plain to anyone who read the entire post.	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#406
Read to the end	tavalon	Sep 2012	#196
"please be as strident in pressing the President back to doing what is right" = dream on.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#13
sigh	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#59
Yes, release your inner Pollyana! It's helped me...	SaveAmerica	Sep 2012	#121
Obamacare is a significant change IMO	treestar	Sep 2012	#14
Obamacare is not what was promised: It is a windfall for the insurance compaines	panzerfaust	Sep 2012	#436
You see things in such a negative way	treestar	Sep 2012	#440
"I just do not know that I can do it".	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#475
I don't need to read your 'letter'.	randome	Sep 2012	#15
NO, I am not looking for Utopia	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#38
It's just confusing	leftstreet	Sep 2012	#41
Same as if I mailed a ballot	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#60
My point is that no one is perfect.	randome	Sep 2012	#48
Please, point to the part where I say	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#130
"Ship of state is already under the waves".	randome	Sep 2012	#231
Well if Utopia means simply not killing any more people in foreign countries, or	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#528
What did you want from Obama that he hasn't delivered? Serious question....	scheming daemons	Sep 2012	#16
I posted a link above for the people who keep asking me "why"	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#39
Kelvin - I Went To Your Link...	WiffenPoof	Sep 2012	#404
I've always just viewed myself as a liberal	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#442
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Sep 2012	#49
A vote is a vote	Mz Pip	Sep 2012	#20
I will say that their voter suppression efforts pulled me off the sidelines	jsmirman	Sep 2012	#22
Since I know this guys history,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#197
I appreciate what you are doing	Fresh_Start	Sep 2012	#23
Yeah, the closer the election got	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#78
Now, we just need to keep him there	tavalon	Sep 2012	#198
I think you are a wise and honest person. Hat's off to you!! nt	nanabugg	Sep 2012	#28
Thank you	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#40
I also appreciate your honesty. I am sick to death of the pretentious, dishonest system	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#90
I will join sabrina	MuseRider	Sep 2012	#99
I would hope you would vote for Obama, he is the best	Thinkingabout	Sep 2012	#29
I am a liberal, not a Democrat	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#54
Its a vote...I'll take it.	CanonRay	Sep 2012	#31
I hear you on being disappointed on MAJOR issues	ibegurpard	Sep 2012	#37
And I am glad you are happy with your vote	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#79
K&R Kevin. I see what you're doing.	trof	Sep 2012	#42
Thanks, that is precisely what I am trying to achieve	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#81
whatever you think about Obama - SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT nt	MariaM83	Sep 2012	#43
This argument has been brought up many times	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#82
Whoa! Hold on there!	longship	Sep 2012	#227
The Supreme Court	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#230
In other words, you are suggesting that Republicans will trigger a Constitutional crisis.	longship	Sep 2012	#241
"In other words, you are suggesting that Republicans will trigger a Constitutional crisis."	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#248
Okay. Understand that I still wish to be with you here.	longship	Sep 2012	#260
The question remains, would the Republicans do that?	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#267
That's a tall claim.	longship	Sep 2012	#270
We have been in crisis	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#333
Hope you are right	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#332
Honestly?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#331
I know three David Allens now.	Panasonic	Sep 2012	#45
Yes, I am that David Allen	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#83
Did your publishing business fold because of the * years?	Panasonic	Sep 2012	#106
Two things sank me	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#125
I figured that had something to do with it.	tavalon	Sep 2012	#199
OMFG! I bow before you	hootinholler	Sep 2012	#256
Fellow resident of NC--never was enchanted with Obama--but I don't need an excuse	mnhtnbb	Sep 2012	#46
I intended to vote in all races	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#84
Just like Senator Sanders said this very day (paraphrasing) "Vote for President Obama because	Egalitarian Thug	Sep 2012	#50
I was going to post something like this because I heard him too	renate	Sep 2012	#53
534 clones of Bernie Sanders, please. What the hell happened to us?	Egalitarian Thug	Sep 2012	#104
I think that you're very naive	Spider Jerusalem	Sep 2012	#51
Damn! Thanks for laying it all out like that!	randome	Sep 2012	#52
This is one of the best post on DU that I've seen	Blue_Roses	Sep 2012	#61
Absolutely right. Thanks for summarizing it so succinctly.	Tennessee Gal	Sep 2012	#62
Wish I could Rec a reply! AWESOME!	SunsetDreams	Sep 2012	#87
Same here!	RiffRandell	Sep 2012	#392
Thank you!! Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents of ALL time!!	Liberal_Stalwart71	Sep 2012	#95
Actually...	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#327
Well, that's good news. I'm glad you're onboard. I haven't been happy with everything,	Liberal_Stalwart71	Sep 2012	#396
If I had your patience. You completely de-constructed bullshit and showed it for what it is. nt	bluestate10	Sep 2012	#152
So, unless I vote	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#325
Idealistic was the word you were looking for	tavalon	Sep 2012	#200
Oh the irony - it burns!	Vinnie From Indy	Sep 2012	#290
Yeah, you caught that...	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#324
A lot of people seem to have that syndrome in this thread	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#449
In repsonse	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#323
And your response is fairly inadequate, really	Spider Jerusalem	Sep 2012	#374
Again, you got the vote for your guy	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#375
So basically you have just given up on all these issues. You have rationalized everything	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#365
Being realistic doesn't mean "giving up"	Spider Jerusalem	Sep 2012	#377
But none of this stopped the Republicans when THEY decided to prosecute a US President	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#379
I Understand That...	WiffenPoof	Sep 2012	#403
I'm a Union Guy	louis c	Sep 2012	#63
Whatever, take your tripe and faux outrage somewhere else.	Pisces	Sep 2012	#64
I shall post what I wish, when I wish, and how I wish	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#88
And occassionally you might get away with it due to the jury system	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#107
I am not in violation of the TOS	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#131
Please don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#139
sure thing pal.	dionysus	Sep 2012	#319
+1000!	Walk away	Sep 2012	#165
You know what, fuck that response.	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#117
I am greatful some folks understand	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#133
Fuck your response too	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#141
If it were a violation, I would be gone	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#145
Not sure how you figure that	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#150
How is the OP violating the TOS? Is there some rule saying that valid concerns can't be raised	IndyJones	Sep 2012	#168
Do I need to draw you a picture?	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#174
He is doing none of those	tavalon	Sep 2012	#202
So you want to piss on my other shoe and tell me it's raining also	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#210
I've got no interest in your shoes,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#226
Bravo!	Vinnie From Indy	Sep 2012	#286
How about the people telling him not to vote for Obama?	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#448
I call 'em as I see 'em	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#451
I love how some here have been resorting to the old	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#234
I love those who keep trying desperately to make this into something it isn't	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#237
There's so much love between you two!	randome	Sep 2012	#239
Criticism is not bashing.	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#242
I'm going to say to you what I said to my friend who tried (like you) to keep me from voting Obama	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#65
You'd look smarter if you actually read the entire OP	DisgustipatedinCA	Sep 2012	#68
You'd look smarter if you minded your own business	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#76
Still can't read yet, huh?	RetroLounge	Sep 2012	#86
Pot shots, still trying aren't ya?	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#108
I love when someone obviously did not read the entire OP and then gets offended	RetroLounge	Sep 2012	#279
I did, I STILL got offended	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#356
Thank you for saving me the trouble	tavalon	Sep 2012	#203
Is this fucking pile on 101, Go Merrry Christmas your tree	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#359
I am sorry you feel insulted	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#89
It has NOTING to do with for me/against me holy shit	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#109
The SCOTUS is a lost cause for the next 20 years	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#134
Seems like you posted without reading the original post. nt.	limpyhobbler	Sep 2012	#101
Many, many did.	tavalon	Sep 2012	#204
Perhaps I'm being too simplistic, but it's a 2 party system.	Nye Bevan	Sep 2012	#69
Only by default. It was not originally designed to work this way.	GreenPartyVoter	Sep 2012	#73
Black and white choices for a grey world	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#91
That is simplifying it a little maybe.	limpyhobbler	Sep 2012	#103
I've always looked at it that way, too.	OnionPatch	Sep 2012	#147
No, actually, you've just made a fine argument	tavalon	Sep 2012	#205
So, you're going to vote for Obama in spite of yourself.	MineralMan	Sep 2012	#71
I am hardly the only person with problems voting for Obama	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#92
It is in aid of those of us who couldn't, when the chips were down,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#206
I respect your choice and reasoning. Peace, brother!	GreenPartyVoter	Sep 2012	#72
Thank you	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#93
Five	tavalon	Sep 2012	#207
six	unapatriciated	Oct 2012	#533
I get it.	smokey nj	Sep 2012	#229
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!!	Liberal_Stalwart71	Sep 2012	#94
You live in the USA what do you expect	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2012	#96
No, my choice was still voting	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#135
I hear what you're saying, but I hope you vote for the president.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Sep 2012	#97
well it's mighty big of you- voting for someone else- but...	stlsaxman	Sep 2012	#98
I was never behind Obama nor Hillary for that matter. I knew he was a conserva-Dem,	Cleita	Sep 2012	#100
is your right	mshasta	Sep 2012	#102
How many more like Scalia and Thomas as SCOTUS would you recommend?	cr8tvlde	Sep 2012	#105
How many more Elena Kagans would YOU recommend?	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#238
Terms of Service : when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees	WinkyDink	Sep 2012	#110
People don't give a shit, they think it's OK and spew with impunity	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#111
Chill out, bud.	99Forever	Sep 2012	#120
Apparently,	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#146
NO. YOu're supposed to pull your head out of the sand.	bluestate10	Sep 2012	#153
Hmmm...	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#308
I'm not your bud, chill this	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#363
This shit did get alerted on	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#155
Or, maybe they aren't all eager to become	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#162
I don't have a problem with it	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#173
So now those of us who don't like Obama but are supporting him anyway aren't welcome?	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#240
I think you're right on your first point but wrong on the others.	randome	Sep 2012	#244
"The 'disastrous on civil liberties' part especially does not ring true for me."	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#247
Legalizing domestic spying	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#309
All things that need to be addressed.	randome	Sep 2012	#314
Once again you pretend this is something it's not	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#245
"You pretend this is something it's not"	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#258
Hmmm, calling out a fellow member	tavalon	Sep 2012	#209
So where does it say that, exactly?	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#220
I'm heading to bed in a few minutes so I'm not going to comb through now	tavalon	Sep 2012	#225
The TOS takes up one page	Major Nikon	Sep 2012	#233
Considering that I went to bed just a bit after speaking to you	tavalon	Sep 2012	#395
Provide a link or a quote.	WinkyDink	Sep 2012	#232
MN, I agree with a lot of what you say, but I think the best reaction to this OP is...	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#249
If you are ever in my town	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#315
They read it	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#271
Or maybe the Jury actually read the OP and understood that Democrats will need	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#322
The OP is voting for him!	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#119
Gosh, and what exactly do you think I am doing?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#143
Actually it's the title of the OP that's the problem.	ohheckyeah	Sep 2012	#158
If folks are going to judge the entire post	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#306
Yes, there is....	ohheckyeah	Sep 2012	#320
There is actually a difference between "support" and your now-disingenuous denial of your premise.	WinkyDink	Sep 2012	#235
My words are plain	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#312
Say what?	RandiFan1290	Sep 2012	#201
And he just showed people who might not otherwise be able to,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#208
Oh, wow. A mentor.	WinkyDink	Sep 2012	#236
Thank you, sir.	99Forever	Sep 2012	#115
Good to hear	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#144
You are entitled to say what you want, it is called free speech!	akbacchus_BC	Sep 2012	#116
I don't know if you've noticed	tavalon	Sep 2012	#211
If you see my post as a "rant"	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#311
On behalf of the Military in NC who I hope will be saved from deployment	SaveAmerica	Sep 2012	#118
Yeah, I'm that guy	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#140
1000 times - thank you!! Yes, I remember, I wanted you to be cloned	SaveAmerica	Sep 2012	#400
Finally, someone else who knows what this David Allen has done!	tavalon	Sep 2012	#212
Yes, I was watching and learning, and am really appreciative!	SaveAmerica	Sep 2012	#398
Thank you	DonCoquixote	Sep 2012	#122
I for one am not going to argue with someone who is doing what I want them to do	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#128
It has never been harder giving people	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#138
OK. It doesn't matter to me why you're voting for Obama.	aikoaiko	Sep 2012	#132
At this point	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#136
Wtf is this?	Politicub	Sep 2012	#137
I don't recall requesting your help	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#142
Try your moral and ethical qualms in the shoes of lgbt Americans	Politicub	Sep 2012	#149
If you have any qualms about the humans being held at Guantanamo,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#215
"Try your moral and ethical qualms in the shoes of lgbt Americans"	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#246
If you want to expedite DOMA repeal and the passage of ENDA	Politicub	Sep 2012	#253
Not that I've noticed	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#293
I don't hear similar sounding comments from most LGBT folks I know IRL or here on DU	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#254
"I don't hear similar sounding comments from most LGBT folks...on DU"	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#259
Actually, I want to push him down the left path	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#294
The President's 'evolvement' on LGBT issues happened because people refused	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#423
You see, you say you worked hard to bring about the changes you wanted.	randome	Sep 2012	#255
"at least recognize reality at the same time."	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#257
I was going to let this go but...	randome	Sep 2012	#262
I have.	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#266
Kudos, then!	randome	Sep 2012	#269
Agreed. I have expressed my displeasure	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#292
Couple of things...	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#289
If you can't have better reading comprehension than that,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#213
This post was hidden by jury decision.	grantcart	Sep 2012	#148
Thank you, grantcart	SIDURI	Sep 2012	#164
"those that don't participate in the political process"	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#424
I'm glad the OP has such stout defenders as yourself...	SIDURI	Sep 2012	#445
I'm glad that there are people like the OP, without whom an awful lot of people	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#471
grantcart, I respect you greatly.	tavalon	Sep 2012	#216
Let's try it again.	grantcart	Sep 2012	#313
He is idealistic	tavalon	Sep 2012	#381
Well since I picked the same column you did	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#300
Column what column? Didn't read it. All I read was that someone was taking themselves out of the	grantcart	Sep 2012	#310
No! He's keeping himself IN the game and voting for Obama!	blaze	Sep 2012	#411
Yes, yes	brush	Sep 2012	#402
If Obama loses, in 8 years your ilk will be running to the next great democratic hope.	bluestate10	Sep 2012	#151
Do a little research on his specific ilk.	tavalon	Sep 2012	#217
My entry comes and goes	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#305
+1.....	KoKo	Sep 2012	#366
Yeah, I love how I am being lectured on voting	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#384
Damn, the term BBV reminded me of the name of she who shall not be named	tavalon	Sep 2012	#382
This is what NC DU'ers Kelvin Mace, Joyce McCloy, other DU'ers Did for Verified Voting!	KoKo	Sep 2012	#407
The person who made herself infamous with the BBV issue is not McCloy.	tavalon	Sep 2012	#410
What the break off did in NC still stands and it was an achievement	KoKo	Sep 2012	#413
Oh, I wholly concur	tavalon	Sep 2012	#432
I have a clue	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#302
Who cares?	WI_DEM	Sep 2012	#154
A number of people do, actually	tavalon	Sep 2012	#218
look	MFM008	Sep 2012	#156
Dismiss him if you want. But his view is valid	johnlucas	Sep 2012	#157
Well spoken John Lucas	tavalon	Sep 2012	#219
The problem with all of that is...	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#252
I don't buy that	johnlucas	Sep 2012	#336
You are dancing around my main points and asserting things for which you offered no proof	stevenleser	Sep 2012	#339
The Republicans this & the Republicans that. Sounds scared to me	johnlucas	Sep 2012	#357
Thank you for your posts in this thread. I have been saying the same things for years.	unapatriciated	Oct 2012	#534
You're welcome & thank you for the compliments!	johnlucas	Oct 2012	#536
Great public service announcement.	mmonk	Sep 2012	#159
White male privilege.	donheld	Sep 2012	#160
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#169
Boy, you're gonna look kind of silly if Reply #169 gets shut down by jury, huh?	tavalon	Sep 2012	#221
Why would a jury ever shoot down reply #169?	sadbear	Sep 2012	#265
It's bigotry	tavalon	Sep 2012	#391
Do you have a link to the jury results?	sadbear	Sep 2012	#401
Sure, I don't see your point, but whatever	tavalon	Sep 2012	#405
So you don't want people to vote for this President? Then what are you doing on DU?	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#425
Yep. For the privileged it can be a "lesser evil." For the downtrodden, it is a necessity.	joshcryer	Sep 2012	#428
Thanks for your post.	lovemydog	Sep 2012	#166
I don't understand how this thread is continuing. Is this DU or the Brietbart Report?	Walk away	Sep 2012	#167
Yes, it is DU, where people can think and discuss issues, even more so when elections	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#177
Oh, Please. That OP is what you needed to vote for President Obama...	Walk away	Sep 2012	#251
And this pisses you off	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#287
Did I say I was pissed off? Is this what is meant by projecting?	Walk away	Sep 2012	#341
I see you did not read what is right in front of you.	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#326
Denial?	Walk away	Sep 2012	#345
Not everyone is a Democrat. If the election depended only on Democrats	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#350
Walk away	tavalon	Sep 2012	#222
Again, I ask the question....	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#284
Wow,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#176
It definitely has helped resolve a troubling decision for me. To vote for someone who	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#181
Despite my misgiving about Obama in 2008	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#281
You are aware	tama	Sep 2012	#329
I was proud that America	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#393
Thanks for the tripe Mitt	NNN0LHI	Sep 2012	#180
Seriously?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#282
Of course you're exhorting others to do what you're doing.	cali	Sep 2012	#188
did you read the whole post? he's voting for obama.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#191
I read the whole post and my impression is that he left out	cali	Sep 2012	#214
he said he's voting for obama in the place of those likely to be purged from voting rolls.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#224
Then I respectfully request you read it again	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#280
He's exhorting people to use his way to be able to vote for Obama, if they, like him,	tavalon	Sep 2012	#223
Why is this so hard for folks to see?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#277
This group does tend to get myopic during election times	tavalon	Sep 2012	#390
Uh,	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#278
Read SHOWDOWN by David Corn	Laurajr	Sep 2012	#228
One more time with feeling...	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#274
The title is grammatically clear, if not to the OP. Line 2 = "pro-Obama folk," clearly NOT the OP.	WinkyDink	Sep 2012	#243
Look, we disagree on the "in good conscience" thing because	gateley	Sep 2012	#261
I appreciate your thoughtful reading of my post	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#273
I think you present a solution to those who feel as you do, but are rightly concerned that	gateley	Sep 2012	#307
It's your vote. You're casting it....	SidDithers	Sep 2012	#264
If only some of the other people in this thread	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#272
This is just silly.	RevStPatrick	Sep 2012	#268
I did the same thing back in 2001, exchanging my vote with someone in Georgia	twins.fan	Sep 2012	#275
I worked through the same dilemma and came to the same bottom line but with a different rationale.	eomer	Sep 2012	#276
We both want people to have something to vote FOR	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#295
Well Done!	Vinnie From Indy	Sep 2012	#283
While I understand your logic (although I disagree), I think it is only one half of the whole story.	DrewFlorida	Sep 2012	#288
The way I see it	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#297
But if we can slow down the rate of sinking	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#463
SAME; but Supreme Court & hopes of a 4 year "Rope-A-Dope"	upi402	Sep 2012	#291
This message was self-deleted by its author	CreekDog	Sep 2012	#296
Gosh, I didn't think	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#298
This message was self-deleted by its author	CreekDog	Sep 2012	#303
Your interpretation, not mine	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#337
The same people made the same arguments against us speaking out against the	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#426
People keep telling me this is just this complex game of	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#524
No, you're right	CreekDog	Sep 2012	#521
By all means, apology accepted	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#523
I'm sorry. Embarrassingly, I didn't read your full post before hastily responding...	CreekDog	Sep 2012	#518
I understand	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#526
A two party system is obviously not going to please	TBF	Sep 2012	#316
Speaking of Jill Stein....I wouldn't risk voting her her in a battleground state.	limpyhobbler	Sep 2012	#441
If it's a safe state like NY you can probably feel comfortable making a statement -	TBF	Sep 2012	#453
But where is the "far end" of the spectrum?	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#461
I hear you -	TBF	Sep 2012	#494
You're attempting to rationalize voting for Obama?	MineralMan	Sep 2012	#317
You assume I am doing nothing to stop voter suppression	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#338
No, I do not know you.	MineralMan	Sep 2012	#434
You might try the archives of the election forum	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#444
That's OK. I'll take your word for it.	MineralMan	Sep 2012	#454
As am I	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#456
You don't know much about the OP, do you?	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#415
Rec	mvd	Sep 2012	#328
Shit stirring	brush	Sep 2012	#334
You didn't read the post	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#340
BULLSHIT we all read it it's bullshit	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#361
Never said I was, but apparently	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#385
Ignore this	DainBramaged	Sep 2012	#389
You obviously didn't UNDERSTAND it after you didn't actually read it	RetroLounge	Sep 2012	#421
In the end, we agree -no candidate is perfect.	randome	Sep 2012	#351
Look at the Abu Ghraib	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#353
I don't think anyone is saying that murder isn't upsetting.	randome	Sep 2012	#355
Kelvin, this is perhaps the most self-aggrandizing, specious, sophistic codswallop I've seen on DU.	Surya Gayatri	Sep 2012	#354
And I love you too...	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#360
I understand and respect your position	Jake2413	Sep 2012	#358
Chris Floyd said it well also	mt1000	Sep 2012	#364
Thank you #354 ... A Legend in His/Her Own Mind. Poppycock. Santa didn't come. Deal with it.	cr8tvlde	Sep 2012	#367
You rock!	robinlynne	Sep 2012	#369
Thanks Kelvin	rucky	Sep 2012	#370
K&R	DeSwiss	Sep 2012	#371
Romney has had his ass beaten into the dirt these last couple weeks	Whisp	Sep 2012	#380
Amazing	brush	Sep 2012	#397
what an exhausting	outsideworld	Sep 2012	#412
I am on Democratic Underground, correct?	Alduin	Sep 2012	#414
It is an excellent way to foil those who would deprive people of their right to vote.	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#416
This OP is not about that.	trumad	Sep 2012	#433
Nauseating...I'm really sad you're allowed to spread your filth, but it is "Democratic Underground"	Rowdyboy	Sep 2012	#417
So you too are against encouraging people to vote for Obama? What is going on here?	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#427
My reading comprehension is fine-and I understand exactly what the OP is trying to do....	Rowdyboy	Sep 2012	#437
get over yourself	JI7	Sep 2012	#418
Then it's a good thing YOU'RE not on the ballot	RetroLounge	Sep 2012	#422
Please stay away from the voters	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#447
What office are you running for? I know you can't be Obama because	Autumn	Sep 2012	#531
"I'll cast my vote for the disenfranchised despite that they're not as enlightened as me."	joshcryer	Sep 2012	#429
"Promises from Candidate Obama about hope and change"--You sound like a GOP candidate	Kolesar	Sep 2012	#430
You're a non-reality glass-half-empty purist who doesn't understand the real world.	RBInMaine	Sep 2012	#431
If we were purists	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#460
President Obama is not enough to the left for you. I get that.	Jennicut	Sep 2012	#435
The problem with this attitude is	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#459
The country is not shifting to the right.	Jennicut	Sep 2012	#466
Sorry, but the country has been shifting right for some time	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#474
Is the reason WHY I vote for Obama germane to	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#477
You know what?	ElboRuum	Sep 2012	#438
Will you marry me?	Whisp	Sep 2012	#439
And when you do get married	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#472
Thread over.	Bobbie Jo	Sep 2012	#443
Not really...	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#469
If this is the only piece of his	Bobbie Jo	Sep 2012	#476
I have read Elbo's posts	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#480
"Keep your vote."	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#446
the poster said nothing about devotion to Obama	JI7	Sep 2012	#450
Can you point out where I ask for my "ass to be kissed"?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#467
Really?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#457
Nope.	ElboRuum	Sep 2012	#520
+ a brazillian.	MineralMan	Sep 2012	#455
You are agreeing that ElboRuum is correct in telling me	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#468
"Why does it matter WHY I vote for Obama?"	sadbear	Sep 2012	#470
Uh, yes, my post is for people who had my reservations about voting for Obama, such as myself	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#479
No, I do hope you will vote for Obama.	MineralMan	Sep 2012	#486
The only reason I chose to explain "why" I was in my post	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#489
You will hold whatever opinion you hold.	MineralMan	Sep 2012	#490
Comments are one thing	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#493
Let me get this straight.	Pab Sungenis	Sep 2012	#458
Seems to be the vibe I am getting from a LOT of people who object to this post.	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#465
No.	ElboRuum	Sep 2012	#512
Gosh, who appointed you Obama's arbiter of votes?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#464
You posted an open forum. You know what that means?	ElboRuum	Sep 2012	#508
I don't know your gender, and I don't even care, but if things don't work out with Whisp.....	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#511
Your comment "as far as I was concerned, could keep your damn vote"	unapatriciated	Oct 2012	#535
With all due respect...	ElboRuum	Oct 2012	#537
Oooh, that's bound to leave a blister.	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2012	#509
I'm sorry you are getting jumped all over for this	Marrah_G	Sep 2012	#462
It is amazing how many people	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#473
That would be "know." And that would be yours truly. And you would still be wrong in your idiom	WinkyDink	Sep 2012	#482
Thank you for calling my attention to my grammar error	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#485
I like that you have found a way to support the President.	peace13	Sep 2012	#478
I am hoping that some of the folk giving me grief	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#484
So let's cut to the chase, dear:	hello larry	Sep 2012	#481
Are you voting for Obama?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#498
most complaints about Obama are based on things people think he did...	Green_Lantern	Sep 2012	#483
I think there are differences between complaints coming from the right	Marrah_G	Sep 2012	#487
I'm just saying even the criticisms from the left seem to assume...	Green_Lantern	Sep 2012	#492
In response	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#497
He is currently	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#496
um...OK?	Blue_Tires	Sep 2012	#491
As you apparently plan to vote for Obama	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#495
I'm just saying this whole thing could have been avoided...	Blue_Tires	Sep 2012	#499
As the people I was trying to have a discussion with were those	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#500
Please forgive my ignorance	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#501
I certainly had no intention of voting for ROmney	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#504
Fortunately for me, I do not have to make this decision.	girl gone mad	Sep 2012	#502
Who are you voting for, then? nt	msanthrope	Sep 2012	#505
wow	DonCoquixote	Sep 2012	#503
Thank you!	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#506
freudian slip	DonCoquixote	Sep 2012	#514
I was very concerned that Rahmn was going to really screw up the Chicago	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#515
I am concerned about him period	DonCoquixote	Sep 2012	#527
I knew that the chances of Obama keeping any promises	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#529
!!	heaven05	Sep 2012	#507
Once again, I am not a Democrat, I am a liberal	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#522
Justice Ginsberg will likely be retiring in the next couple yrs. You can't in good conscience NOT	Thrill	Sep 2012	#510
As I keep telling folks who bring up this issue	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#517
Thats nonsense	Thrill	Sep 2012	#519
No, hard reality	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#525
whoa, this is a monster thread	quinnox	Sep 2012	#513

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