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Douglas Carpenter

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74. so 6% of conservative Republicans and 12% of Tea Partiers are pro-socialist?

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PSL: Why do young people in the US favor socialism? [View all] marmar Jan 2012 OP

because they are smart limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #1

Perhaps they don't know what socialism is. I've read many posts on DU since 2001 by those who jody Jan 2012 #2

........ marmar Jan 2012 #4

Interesting but it does not address my point about society owning the means of production. nt jody Jan 2012 #6

the definition for socialism is not as limited as your provided definition CreekDog Jan 2012 #7

Socialism is defined by Merriam-Webster as: jody Jan 2012 #8

All western democracies are mixed socialist/capitalist adventures. xchrom Jan 2012 #12

I argue nothing. I said many define socialism to include society owning the means of production. jody Jan 2012 #13

I think the soviet union is gone and people xchrom Jan 2012 #27

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #30

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #29

yes language evolves CreekDog Jan 2012 #24

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #28

ye speak olde English? CreekDog Jan 2012 #32

Were you unable to read or understand the Pew report? n/t jody Jan 2012 #33

please keep worshipping the dictionary CreekDog Jan 2012 #47

Do you understand that the Pew report cited in the OP is based on a single question? Answers to jody Jan 2012 #49

Am I being lectured on accuracy by someone who wasn't convinced Obama was born in the USA? CreekDog Jan 2012 #50

ROFL the issue is the Pew report and people who don't understand the limitations of its jody Jan 2012 #51

you're responding to a different post genius CreekDog Jan 2012 #52

your basis for a complex ideology is a silly dictionary? provis99 Jan 2012 #34

See #23 for reasons why definitions are critical to understanding the OP. nt jody Jan 2012 #35

Socialism is not defined by the Social-Democratic Parties in Western Europe, most of which have Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #26

See #23 n/t jody Jan 2012 #31

Thanks, as someone who self-identifies as a socialist, I don't have a problem knowing what is. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #102

who said they had all the answers to ALL our problems? CreekDog Jan 2012 #53

You are wrong. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #42

I simply pointed out that socialism has different meanings. n/t jody Jan 2012 #44

Those "other meanings" are the result of ignorance and lies. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #45

Have a great evening and goodbye. n/t jody Jan 2012 #46

Perhaps you don't know what it is. Hawkowl Jan 2012 #106

See # 8 and #23 nt jody Jan 2012 #110

But all those people in government provided rascal scooters oh08dem Jan 2012 #3

IMO, they stopped listening about Ron Paul after they heard "legalize drugs." nt justiceischeap Jan 2012 #5

Classic bait-and-switch oh08dem Jan 2012 #11

I reaped the benefits of capitalism, but I've also been burned by it ... I was RKP5637 Jan 2012 #9

When the RW called Obama a socialist throughout the entire campaign, I said... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #10

Totally made up numbers in the OP former9thward Jan 2012 #14

You posted 2010's poll numbers, not 2011's. marmar Jan 2012 #15

I posted the poll the link went to. former9thward Jan 2012 #17

why would a statistician laugh? 211 is a perfectly valid sample. provis99 Jan 2012 #38

No it is not. former9thward Jan 2012 #55

you don't know what you're talking about. provis99 Jan 2012 #105

Let me dumb it down for you. former9thward Jan 2012 #108

so 6% of conservative Republicans and 12% of Tea Partiers are pro-socialist? Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #74

I think it's crass to accuse the OP of "made up numbers" tkmorris Jan 2012 #16

It's not a mistake. The post you're responding to used the 2010 poll numbers, the OP uses 2011's. marmar Jan 2012 #18

I see that now, and thank you for the correction tkmorris Jan 2012 #20

Do you think 211 young people represent all young people in the U.S.? former9thward Jan 2012 #21

I am accusing the "PSL presidential candidate Peta Lindsay" of making things up. former9thward Jan 2012 #19

Went back and reread your post tkmorris Jan 2012 #22

No 211 people does not represent tens of millions in that category. former9thward Jan 2012 #54

The Pew report, see #23, says the following: jody Jan 2012 #64

Notice they don't say what the MOE is for young people. former9thward Jan 2012 #68

Exactly and the MOE is certainly much more for the young people group than given. n/t jody Jan 2012 #71

well you used a different poll to say the OP lied about the current poll CreekDog Jan 2012 #72

I went directly to the Pew Research website. former9thward Jan 2012 #75

if you knew anything then you would know they take lots of polls CreekDog Jan 2012 #78

The supposed 2011 poll which is not on their website former9thward Jan 2012 #82

Wrong. It's on their website. But keep dissembling... CreekDog Jan 2012 #84

Now let's recap your dissembling for the viewers at home: CreekDog Jan 2012 #86

You are incapable of replying to the substance of the poll(s). former9thward Jan 2012 #88

I'll make a deal with you...apologize to the OP or correct your initial post CreekDog Jan 2012 #91

Deal. I opologize to the OP about incorrect numers from the 2011 poll. former9thward Jan 2012 #95

they only provided MOE for the largest subgroups CreekDog Jan 2012 #96

I think everybody can see that you actually don't care to discuss the poll with me CreekDog Jan 2012 #94

it's not crass, it's calculated and dishonest CreekDog Jan 2012 #85

wrong poll CreekDog Jan 2012 #69

Right and 6% of conservative Rs and 12% of tea party are pro-socialist. former9thward Jan 2012 #76

quote the poll that you said you're referring to CreekDog Jan 2012 #77

See link #15 former9thward Jan 2012 #81

then why didn't you apologize to the OP for saying they "made up" numbers? CreekDog Jan 2012 #87

I don't care what you think about my credibilily former9thward Jan 2012 #89

but you made the accusation without even knowing what the poll said CreekDog Jan 2012 #90

You think 211 "young people" representing the nation is "solid"? former9thward Jan 2012 #98

Why did you criticize the poll BEFORE READING IT??? CreekDog Jan 2012 #99

I went to the Pew site and put 'young people socialism' in their search. former9thward Jan 2012 #109

Where did the poll say "young people support socialism"? --because it did not CreekDog Jan 2012 #112

THE Pew report “Little Change in Public's Response to 'Capitalism,' 'Socialism'” is at jody Jan 2012 #23

"Tea Party" isn't defined. Does that mean you don't have a clue what it is? provis99 Jan 2012 #36

Have a great evening and goodbye. n/t jody Jan 2012 #37

you say "good bye" when someone challenges you CreekDog Jan 2012 #70

I agree... the poll is useless Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #65

Hallelujah, I was beginning to think no one would understand the point I was trying to make. n/t jody Jan 2012 #66

Being familiar with the politics of the PSL I am not a fan, but I must admit that's a good article. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #25

Answer: Because capatialism is killing them? workinclasszero Jan 2012 #39

Perhaps because they are too young to remember what a blended economy looked like markpkessinger Jan 2012 #40

Probably because they were born past the red-baiting era. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #41

Boy I sure grew up with it The Genealogist Jan 2012 #56

That does sound rather unique. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #58

We Millennials are too young to remember the Cold War, and so... Odin2005 Jan 2012 #43

"Socialism" is as broad a term as "democracy." David__77 Jan 2012 #48

I think socialism can be defined in many ways fujiyama Jan 2012 #57

Because sociopathic whackjobs are always attacking the concept? eridani Jan 2012 #59

My brother calls the notion of public goods socialist_n_TN Jan 2012 #61

Why do old people favor socialism? ananda Jan 2012 #60

Old people (65+) are the LEAST favorable towards socialism... Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #73

Because it is the only equitable way ronnie624 Jan 2012 #62

Because many parts of the system that keeps our country running Rex Jan 2012 #63

Because young people (18-29) are less knowledgeable about current affairs, politics etc. than most Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #67

and yet they show more intelligence in their voting CreekDog Jan 2012 #80

That they are less informed is more than an "idea" - it's data Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #92

you're actually the one making the mistake about "socialism" CreekDog Jan 2012 #93

You can ask 100 people "what is socialism?" Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #97

That's not what the poll says --it doesn't say people have a "high opinion" of socialism CreekDog Jan 2012 #101

OK have it your way... Earthbound Misfit Jan 2012 #103

Wow, this poll result has sure brought out the Republicans and their apologists here CreekDog Jan 2012 #79

Well, if they keep calling President Obama a "Socialist" Fool Count Jan 2012 #83

People certainly get vulgar... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #100

The closer one is to either end of the spectrum, the more emphasis there is on "fairness" SoCalDem Jan 2012 #104

""A man who is not a communist at the age of twenty is a fool. Any man who is still communist at the pampango Jan 2012 #107

Those age 30 and under (and some a little older) have been hit hard by the current crisis. Dawson Leery Jan 2012 #111