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Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:01 PM

HiPointDem (17,227 posts)

84. except as i said, the causes were multi-factorial, so it's not a matter of just linking to a couple

of studies.

But a poster here has brought up one aspect of the New Deal/post-war era's support for education. S/he says there wasn't even a high school in her area until the 1940s. Ergo, if people there wanted to attend high school, they'd have to travel long distances.

Roosevelt began funding assistance for the building of rural schooling during the depression, and that support increased post-war.

Ergo, an increase in graduations simply because of provision of facilities & funding.

That's only one of the factors. Forgive me if I haven't got time to write you a dissertation. Perhaps if you're interested you'll look into it.

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100 replies	Author	Time	Post
The Myth of the Education Crisis [View all]	proud2BlibKansan	Sep 2012	OP
That is interesting I had no idea it was that high	davidpdx	Sep 2012	#1
The myth is much more devious	tama	Sep 2012	#2
Your post is phenomenal	Lifelong Protester	Sep 2012	#17
Now it's all "ïPads for everyone!"	Whisp	Sep 2012	#31
Remember	tama	Sep 2012	#36
Exactly!	proud2BlibKansan	Sep 2012	#20
exactly so....	mike_c	Sep 2012	#27
Yep. Slashing art and music budgets...	redqueen	Sep 2012	#28
Can't you do both?	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#30
Which both?	tama	Sep 2012	#34
I have a great paying job in a field I love and don't feel like a slave	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#39
No.	tama	Sep 2012	#41
Of course not. But it is up to us to discover what we love AND look at its demand	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#61
OK then	tama	Sep 2012	#63
Double entry accounting was created in the 15th century	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#64
Yep	tama	Sep 2012	#85
So, your problem is that we don't live in the land of rainbows and gumdrops?	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#89
Of course it does exist.	tama	Sep 2012	#91
Your world exists with a few hundred people (maybe a few thousand).	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#93
Any case	tama	Sep 2012	#95
Yes.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#90
You've got it.	hunter	Sep 2012	#47
Never in the history of this country have working people been able to live as gentlmen scholars,	Romulox	Sep 2012	#81
It's allways possible	tama	Sep 2012	#86
While it may be true that nobody can afford to	Lifelong Protester	Sep 2012	#88
There are some states that are not serious about students attending school.	LiberalFighter	Sep 2012	#3
i hear ya. so much bullshit in the attacks on education. having two kids in the system	seabeyond	Sep 2012	#4
thank you for you testimony seabeyond.	iemitsu	Sep 2012	#5
the parents i hear criticizing the educational system, are the parents that excuse kids failures	seabeyond	Sep 2012	#6
i work in a high poverty area.	iemitsu	Sep 2012	#73
Do they have this chart by state?	porphyrian	Sep 2012	#7
The problem is that today's economy rewards those with more than a high school diploma.	hack89	Sep 2012	#8
skills the new economy demands	tama	Sep 2012	#22
Google "jobs of the future" and you will get a good idea of what jobs are in high demand	hack89	Sep 2012	#26
Yeah	tama	Sep 2012	#33
Until you completely reorder society	hack89	Sep 2012	#37
Then we should step up our efforts to reshape society.	redqueen	Sep 2012	#42
If our children cannot build the tools needed to reshape society	hack89	Sep 2012	#44
We don't need gadgets to start differentiating value from profit.	redqueen	Sep 2012	#46
But we will eventually have to feed, house and care for 10 billion people	hack89	Sep 2012	#48
Why would you think so?	redqueen	Sep 2012	#49
It is a chicken and egg problem	hack89	Sep 2012	#51
Benign population curve	tama	Sep 2012	#58
Not 10 billion	tama	Sep 2012	#57
The system is failing, period.	tama	Sep 2012	#43
After a massive human die off, yes your system would work.	hack89	Sep 2012	#45
If we want to avoid a massive human die off	tama	Sep 2012	#50
Russia lags the west in life expectancy and has a higher death rate	hack89	Sep 2012	#53
What saved Russians from	tama	Sep 2012	#54
Corporate farms represent 80% of Russian farm land - household plots 10%.	hack89	Sep 2012	#56
Yep	tama	Sep 2012	#59
Can you actually provide some evidence to back up that comment? nt	hack89	Sep 2012	#60
From your link	tama	Sep 2012	#62
We have a poverty crisis in this country - not an education crisis.	dawg	Sep 2012	#9
^^This	BuelahWitch	Sep 2012	#11
I second your post!	Lifelong Protester	Sep 2012	#15
This. So much this.	Pithlet	Sep 2012	#19
And another this	Starry Messenger	Sep 2012	#69
This is the raw truth1	etherealtruth	Sep 2012	#72
IIRC the myth goes back to a late 70s moral panic...	Odin2005	Sep 2012	#10
You might be thinking of	Lifelong Protester	Sep 2012	#14
That's the one!	Odin2005	Sep 2012	#16
not a moral panic, a carefully and deliberately planned attack on public education by reagan et al.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#66
Why do we never see Asians show up as a category?	dkf	Sep 2012	#12
thank you for this	Lifelong Protester	Sep 2012	#13
But a high school diploma doesn't get you what it used to:	bhikkhu	Sep 2012	#18
Yet vo-tech programs are being eliminated.	proud2BlibKansan	Sep 2012	#21
If we really cared	tama	Sep 2012	#32
I very much dislike graphs with no origin in the Y axis...	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#40
Good point	bhikkhu	Sep 2012	#68
yep...same here...but one has to step back once in a while and...	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#71
The rate of change with the yellow line (Black American adults) is amazing	aikoaiko	Sep 2012	#23
Sorry but thatis no way to measure the education crisis.	Egnever	Sep 2012	#24
sorry, but you're flat wrong.	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#67
A+	proud2BlibKansan	Sep 2012	#74
Build more schools, reduce class size and improve the curriculum.	JRLeft	Sep 2012	#25
We have very few dropouts in our area and most that do go on to graduate in another fashion.	jwirr	Sep 2012	#29
Problem is, it is my feeling, that there has been inflation. That is, a HS diploma...	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#35
I would say that requirements have generally increased	Nikia	Sep 2012	#55
They may have increased, but they haven't kept up with requirement inflation...	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#70
Also...this statistic alone says near to nothing...	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#38
Great thread with lots of good discussion points so far. nt	woo me with science	Sep 2012	#52
notice also that the big leap was 1940-1980, the 'golden years' of the US, operating under	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#65
Did they reduce graduation requirements during 1940 - 1980?	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#75
nothing to do with graduation requirements! graduations increased because of general social	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#76
All that may be true, but without the supporting statistics, looking at a graph of graduation rates	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#78
not useless at all, & there's plenty of research. forgive me if i don't dredge it out for you, as	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#79
except that's what i'm hearing, only the soundbites of any supporting data...	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#82
except as i said, the causes were multi-factorial, so it's not a matter of just linking to a couple	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#84
Not interested enough other than to make the point regarding using statistics to make a point. eom	yawnmaster	Sep 2012	#87
My school district did not even have a high school until the 1940's	Nikia	Sep 2012	#77
The federal government started aiding in construction of rural schools during the depression &	HiPointDem	Sep 2012	#80
Holding a high-school diploma doesn't qualify anyone for anything. A 4 year degree isn't worth	Romulox	Sep 2012	#83
Just got back from marching in solidarity with the Chicago Teachers Union	riderinthestorm	Sep 2012	#92
Jealous!	proud2BlibKansan	Sep 2012	#97
I know right? I lucked into it!!	riderinthestorm	Sep 2012	#98
Did you get to hear Karen Lewis?	proud2BlibKansan	Sep 2012	#99
It's not just about the total # of diplomas or degrees.	Bluefin Tuna	Sep 2012	#94
While science and math could be stronger at some schools, I don't think we have a shortage at the BS	Nikia	Sep 2012	#100
+	underpants	Sep 2012	#96

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