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In reply to the discussion: NYT BOMBSHELL: Significantly MORE 9/11 NEGLIGENCE Than Has Been Disclosed [View all]RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)212. Kerosene burns at 800 degrees F.
The steel was rated to weaken at 1600 degrees F.
The steel myth is a common one. Sorry to see that you have again been deceived by what NIST wants you to believe.
Kerosene burns at a maximum of 800 degrees F. At high temperatures, smoke from fires gets toward the whiter shade, because of all the carbon that is burnt. When a flame is as black as the flames of the WTC was, it was not at its maximum temperature.
And don't tell me that it was a plane that hit the Pentagon, as there was no footprint of the wings, nor was there any debris from the wings.
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NYT BOMBSHELL: Significantly MORE 9/11 NEGLIGENCE Than Has Been Disclosed [View all]
Segami
Sep 2012
OP
THIS bombshell just lost the election for Romney. This is worse then what they did to the economy..
jillan
Sep 2012
#2
In fact, I do not think they read at all, They get all the info they need from Fox.
smirkymonkey
Sep 2012
#217
Fortunately for Romney, the majority of Republicans think Romney killed bin Laden.
BlueStreak
Sep 2012
#23
If only we could harness the power of stupidity, we'd have an endless source of energy.
tclambert
Sep 2012
#181
No. To the Republicans, this is ancient history. And they have never blamed Bush, & won't.nt
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#28
It may be a bombshell to lots of people who dared not look too closely when the experience was still
Overseas
Sep 2012
#249
Gov. Rmoney You Have Many Advisors On Your Staff That Ignored The Threats Of 9/11 Before....
global1
Sep 2012
#115
I believe that a significant factor was his administration was dominated by PNAC neo-cons.
olegramps
Sep 2012
#126
Compounded by the way he and his warmongering ghouls exploited the attack for political gain.
calimary
Sep 2012
#87
I didn't suspect fowl play on day one but over time the 'explanations' didn't
snappyturtle
Sep 2012
#131
House fires regularly get to 2000 degrees. Nothing in a house burns at 2000 degrees.
jeff47
Sep 2012
#258
"Popular science" was a paid-for LIE. Steel does not melt from airplane fuel. Period.
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#237
My point is you claim foresics were not done just after you talk about the results of forensics.
jeff47
Sep 2012
#294
In the fall of 2000 before the election dispute was settled I saw how vicious the
kestrel91316
Sep 2012
#254
Except that still doesn't explain buildings free-falling down into their own tracks, esp. WTC7.
99th_Monkey
Sep 2012
#60
Got an example or two of something he's said that's been disproven?
freedom fighter jh
Sep 2012
#229
That would be possible in an instant collapse. But the buildings didn't collapse immediately. (nt)
jeff47
Sep 2012
#257
The neocons really thought that bin Laden was trying to protect Saddam Hussein?
TwilightGardener
Sep 2012
#7
Bin Laden hated Saddam Hussein. And I'm sure they knew that. They counted on the ignorance
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#34
They struggled mightily to make a connection between OBL and Hussein in the aftermath.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2012
#41
Well, I think Rumsfeld and Cheney certainly knew. They knew Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#54
Don't be so sure - Bush did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia - while he was CiC while
jillan
Sep 2012
#48
"Neocons in the Pentagon" refers to a disinformation group, OSP, who also fabricated Iraq & Iran WMD
leveymg
Sep 2012
#104
Its still makes me f--king mad.....they thought they were so superior to everyone.
Historic NY
Sep 2012
#9
If Bush had 'found' Bin Ladin then it would have been all over the media for months
Rosa Luxemburg
Sep 2012
#232
And STILL there are idiots out there claiming Bush will be vindicated by future doc releases
Sheepshank
Sep 2012
#18
Repeated warnings-not investigated, not publicized, but ignored. No heightened alert. No chance
TwilightGardener
Sep 2012
#32
President Gore would have read his Briefings. And he would have thwarted Cheney's plans.
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#242
I don't think he has the balls to do this - and he should. THIS should be the end of the Republican
jillan
Sep 2012
#36
The real question here is what is going to be done about this? Are we just going to turn away?
jillan
Sep 2012
#33
Naivete. Did you happen to read of the REVELATIONS about what the US did re: Katyn Forest?
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#241
I've always wondered why they felt it important to tell the Saudi ambassador it was a go
polly7
Sep 2012
#255
The most expensive national security system in the world breaking down is not that simple.
Overseas
Sep 2012
#253
Thank you. This is what I believe also. Like I said up thread.....it was just
snappyturtle
Sep 2012
#182
This is what happens when rethugs cheat, elect an incompetent, focus on their own fat
mfcorey1
Sep 2012
#94
You are exactly right. CTC head Cofer Black (later at Blackwater) set up and ran the torture and
leveymg
Sep 2012
#112
Now if they would only admit it was Bush/Cheney behind the Anthrax attacks. n/t
Ganja Ninja
Sep 2012
#116
I assume this is why there had to be story about Obama not attending briefings much of
Blue Meany
Sep 2012
#117
Some of the "uniforms" on the JCS staff did. Mr. Licky Comb is a Bush political appointee,
leveymg
Sep 2012
#127
BTW, History can also thank John Kerry. He kept taking GHWBush to court to get PDBs released
blm
Sep 2012
#124
So DUer "truthers" are no longer being smeared as "conspiracy theorists" consigned to the dungeon?
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#136
Why didn't the Congressional "investigation" pursue the questions more fully? link:
patrice
Sep 2012
#156
So Bush ignored the message "Bin Laden determined to attack", Does it really matter??
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#157
Thought about this last night before reading the article. There was NO way that this was a surprise.
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#163
Could they have ignored it ON PURPOSE because Neocons WANTED an attack to occur?
Kablooie
Sep 2012
#188
Old News that regretably misses the mark. Bush, Condi, et al were warned in specific terms
Ford_Prefect
Sep 2012
#204
I'm shocked. SHOCKED! (How many people suggesting this for a decade were accused of "tin-foil"?)
WinkyDink
Sep 2012
#235
I watched. He was very very good and reduced Fleischer to a bumbling idiot. n/t
lamp_shade
Sep 2012
#261