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randome

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41. It's not a democracy when the rules allow for over-ruling.

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 08:38 PM

Sep 2012

I don't like the outcome but I'm not going to think that much about it, either. There are too many other, more important, things to focus on.

Actually, I take that back: it is the very essence of Democracy that our leader make his/her OWN decision based on what he/she thinks is right. If we make our decisions based on a calculator, we are no better than machines.

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UNREAL: Democratic delegates loudly booing DNC chairman after he lies about the results of a vote. [View all] Poll_Blind Sep 2012 OP

Because Obama wanted it. Apparently he'd asked why God was taken out. gateley Sep 2012 #1

Maybe it was a typo Politicalboi Sep 2012 #2

Oh I see... You're trying to make this like the RNC vote debacle??? progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #3

Have you even watched this video?! This has nothing to do with the RNC. Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #11

Five bucks says PBD won't respond to you on this thread derby378 Sep 2012 #20

Oh I see... You didn't see it or watch the video Autumn Sep 2012 #18

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #130

Can you supply the details here please? begin_within Sep 2012 #4

You have to watch the video, it's about 3 minutes. Everything about this issue is in that video. nt Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #6

Yes, well, that would, indeed, be nice, but for the liberalhistorian Sep 2012 #123

Not good. Scuba Sep 2012 #5

Not a foolproof way to decide things RZM Sep 2012 #7

Yes was lucky to get 50% Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #14

If you don't have 2/3rds, you are supposed to have a roll call vote. The higher ups did not kelly1mm Sep 2012 #16

Do you know the name of the woman who talked to Villaraigosa at the podium? Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #57

I don't. I could not make out what she said though. I think she said " ....... delegates kelly1mm Sep 2012 #74

Thanks. Man, I'd like to know who that lady is. Because, if you listen closely enough you can... Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #86

Thanks for that - I could not make out the first part. This is really Bull Crap! It kelly1mm Sep 2012 #92

She's not gonna reveal her name Skeptical George Sep 2012 #113

Sounded like she had a North Carolina/Texas/Georgia accent. Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #118

Obama caved again ann--- Sep 2012 #8

Uh huh... SidDithers Sep 2012 #75

The real vote was NO!! Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #9

It could have gone either way, but neither side sounded like 2/3rds needed. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2012 #60

WTF!!!! Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #10

Yep, looks like he lied to me derby378 Sep 2012 #12

Lies make baby Jesus cry! Kurovski Sep 2012 #100

Someday, conventions will be a thing of the past. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #13

And let's agree that we should all eat twinkies on Fridays! socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #15

What's so unbelivable? Earth_First Sep 2012 #17

HINT: It only passes if there is a clear 2/3 majority. Which is why he called THREE VOTES on... Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #21

I think you may want to re-read my response... Earth_First Sep 2012 #37

I consider myself jaded, I guess. But maybe I'm naive: I DO expect honest behavior at... Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #45

That's why we have leaders and managers. randome Sep 2012 #19

Well, that settles it. enlightenment Sep 2012 #23

No, I just want to point out that it doesn't necessarily paint the convention as... randome Sep 2012 #29

Why did they call a vote three times if the vote didn't matter? Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #25

I don't have to explain anything. I wasn't there. randome Sep 2012 #32

The return of the smoke-filled back room? derby378 Sep 2012 #36

I edited my post probably at the same time as your post. randome Sep 2012 #40

Duly noted, thx (n/t) derby378 Sep 2012 #43

When a judge over-rules a jury he says so. He doesn't lie about the jury results. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #124

I'm sorry, I should ask: Do you actually believe in the democratic process? Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #39

It's not a democracy when the rules allow for over-ruling. randome Sep 2012 #41

Let me take you back to the Hughes Amendment of 1986 derby378 Sep 2012 #27

That's the legislative process. It allows for those things to happen. randome Sep 2012 #44

So if/when the Repugs ...... oldhippie Sep 2012 #38

No. Never give up. randome Sep 2012 #49

huh?!?! magical thyme Sep 2012 #61

An election is decided by the numbers. randome Sep 2012 #65

boy, you are twisting yourself in knots there. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #111

My original point was that V. didn't 'lie' when it was his call to make. randome Sep 2012 #115

Vote? We don't need no steenkin' votes ....... oldhippie Sep 2012 #63

How many votes does a President take? randome Sep 2012 #66

This wasn't a President's vote ..... oldhippie Sep 2012 #87

I'm NOT okay with the outcome. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, either. randome Sep 2012 #89

Lol, yes, let's all just 'follow the leader' even if s/he just happens to be a cheater, sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #55

We did follow the leader where Bush was concerned. We went to war. randome Sep 2012 #59

Speak for yourself, I never followed that moron. But some members of our party sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #99

Yikes!!! Cali_Democrat Sep 2012 #22

ouch gattaca82 Sep 2012 #24

This was fucking idiotic. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #26

IMO, I don't see it as affect much either, thankfully. But WTF was he thinking? Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #33

Calm down, Obama's instincts are no doubt correct here flamingdem Sep 2012 #28

DO NOT PIN THIS ON THE PRESIDENT. He had nothing to do with this. nt Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #30

But he did -- he was the one who wanted it put back in. He didn't know it had been gateley Sep 2012 #46

Well, I haven't seen anything about him pushing for it but, TBH, it's beside the point: Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #48

I've seen a couple of "according to campaign sources" type of things and saw Madeline gateley Sep 2012 #72

a convention is not just a show veganlush Sep 2012 #31

You don't call a vote 3 times in a row, have it fail each time and then say it passed. Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #34

No big deal when it's ensured that the right folks get their way... n/t Earth_First Sep 2012 #35

Now Obama can say he fought for it and got it Gman Sep 2012 #42

Bingo! nt fugop Sep 2012 #54

The Lone Resident of Kolob Is Smiling Today.... jerseyjack Sep 2012 #47

Good Ol' Tony Villar... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #50

i can't stand villaraigosa shanti Sep 2012 #56

I'm thinking he just pushed those hopes back a few years if not more. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #58

That was pretty shocking. pa28 Sep 2012 #68

much ado about absolutely nothing of significance scheming daemons Sep 2012 #51

Chairman calls a vote, fails. Calls same vote 2x, still fails. Says it passes. Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #53

your outrage over this is way excessive scheming daemons Sep 2012 #71

That's a much more succinct argument than the one I tried to make! randome Sep 2012 #76

If it means nothing, then why cook the result? n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #83

It's kind of a big deal to many Arab Americans. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #85

If it's not that important, why lie about the results on national TV? Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #90

There are a LOT of people "outraged" Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #106

He probably was in shock that anyone would be oblivious enough to hand a big shiny ecstatic Sep 2012 #91

Voice votes are bullshit... n/t nebenaube Sep 2012 #52

Either the stooge needs a hearing aid or a refresher course in democracy. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #62

That didn't sound like a 2/3 majority aikoaiko Sep 2012 #64

God had His thumb on the scales.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #67

Something needs to trump this as the defining moment FAST. nolabear Sep 2012 #69

Whoever took God out should be fired for being politically stupid. I don't care about that crap but Raine Sep 2012 #70

No kidding. I'm as atheistic as one can get Nevernose Sep 2012 #77

+1! gateley Sep 2012 #82

We want him to be a smart politician but to also satisfy everyone. randome Sep 2012 #84

Only RNC values allowed for DNC? lunasun Sep 2012 #78

Until this time, they were DNC values, too. I'm in agreement with the sentiment, gateley Sep 2012 #81

Also sorta undemocratic the way in which it was handled at DNC lunasun Sep 2012 #94

Democracy works by leaders making decisions for the rest of us. randome Sep 2012 #96

Not when they put it to a vote. We elected those Democratic delegates to go there to... Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #98

Yes, and the leaders making decisions are the delegates who vote, NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #101

No. Congress are our elected representaties, too. randome Sep 2012 #110

TOTALLY agree! How they thought they could fuck with such a political gateley Sep 2012 #79

I experienced that as a delegate upi402 Sep 2012 #73

Sorry for being ignorant but...who is General Roberts? Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #88

I suspect upi is referring to Robert's Rules of Order. Then again I could be wrong. WillowTree Sep 2012 #93

Damn!! WTF is going on??? Trailrider1951 Sep 2012 #80

He took the vote three times and then lied about the result after Skip Intro Sep 2012 #95

Mystery Lady is still one heck of a mystery. I edited OP with a picture of her in... Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #97

How embarrassing LittleBlue Sep 2012 #102

You said it. Totally embarrassing and completely unnecessary. LAGC Sep 2012 #103

That was bullshit! Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #104

She almost looks like Dolores Umbridge from the HARRY POTTER films. Ken Burch Sep 2012 #105

OK, fine - but could we let this shit drop down the board? jsmirman Sep 2012 #107

Who's stupid idea was it to take that out of the platform anyway? davidn3600 Sep 2012 #108

There would likely have been no problem Ken Burch Sep 2012 #109

that was disgusting. can someone tell me why god & jerusalem are needed in the platform HiPointDem Sep 2012 #112

that is NOT what democracy looks like! Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #114

I'm going to call bullshit on this one Freddie Stubbs Sep 2012 #116

This thing is disasterous cherish44 Sep 2012 #117

You don't fix it by overriding the delegates TheKentuckian Sep 2012 #119

Professional parliamentarian michaelslomo Sep 2012 #120

Parliamentarian Helen McFadden michaelslomo Sep 2012 #121

THANK YOU! Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #122

You can bet that parts of this deaniac21 Sep 2012 #125

He should've been booed. Alduin Sep 2012 #126

That so-called "vote" was a disgusting spectacle. Thoroughly embarrassing for the Dems. qb Sep 2012 #127

Antonio is the Mayor of Los Angeles goclark Sep 2012 #128

If Those Two Items Were Removed From The Platform That's All The MSM Would Still Be Talking About DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #129

That whole thing was a debacle. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #131

This is the kind of thing I really dislike about politics... yawnmaster Sep 2012 #132

Help me out on this Jerusalem thing mrgorth Sep 2012 #133