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freedom fighter jh

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21. A big part of the problem is a disinformation campaign that says it's not happening
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 08:58 AM
Sep 2012

Check out anything by James Hoggan. For example, look at this interview with Amy Goodman: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/20/pr_executive_james_hoggan_on_james (starting at about the 48-minute mark).

The media have failed us, and by "us" I mean the human race, because it's all of us that are going to suffer for this. And our government has failed us, because it's government's job to do what can't be done individually. Sure there are people who will act on their own and grow their own food and trade in their cars for bikes, but for the most part, especially given the disinformation campaign, change will not happen until it's organized.

Under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), a treaty signed by most countries in the world, including the United States (See http://unfccc.int/essential_background/convention/status_of_ratification/items/2631.php), every year there is an international meeting to try to get some cooperative action. As the crisis worsens, these meetings seem to end, year after year, with very little progress. This is a place where the United States needs to take a leading role. President Obama, at this year's meeting in Doha in November, use your charisma to get the world together on a course of action; get them to come up with a draft treaty for the most aggressive action possible to at least start to solve the greatest problem the world has known. Then come home and smack the Senate around as much as necessary to get them to STFU and ratify the damned thing before we all cook.

This is really important... a la izquierda Sep 2012 #1
The cause is over-population. coldbeer Sep 2012 #5
Too many rats in the cage. Yup! Ship of Fools Sep 2012 #7
Overpopulation is a symptom The2ndWheel Sep 2012 #11
Of what, exactly? TalkingDog Sep 2012 #13
Over consumption BlueinOhio Sep 2012 #20
Good lord. You set a record tabasco Sep 2012 #46
Sorry facts are stubborn things. BlueinOhio Sep 2012 #83
Try telling that to either the deniers OR the doomers, though. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #109
You are kidding, right? renie408 Sep 2012 #119
Our ever increasing attempts to control nature/the environment/whatever you want to call it The2ndWheel Sep 2012 #42
And overconsumption of resources by citizens in first world countries. nt raccoon Sep 2012 #18
The cause is not switching over to almost all alternative energy by now Nikia Sep 2012 #39
It's sad, but unfortunately, all too true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #112
Which is why the human world turns a blind eye. LWolf Sep 2012 #89
The cause is carbon dioxide, produced by fossil fuels. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #99
Yes, so whose population should be controlled? Zalatix Sep 2012 #118
Important is the flurry of alarming papers this summer. longship Sep 2012 #2
Meanwhile, Republicans continue their greed-driven War on Truth with agressive Reality Denial Berlum Sep 2012 #3
Well yes, but... 99Forever Sep 2012 #35
Fatcat Republcan moneybucks liars render that irrelevant Berlum Sep 2012 #41
Well there's an excuse for... 99Forever Sep 2012 #43
You know what else BADLY needs to be pointed out? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #69
I think they know how dire it is and keep up the charade Fawke Em Sep 2012 #61
It'll snow soon and FOX "News" will be sure to mention it. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #4
Consider this: Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #6
Well stated. Sadly. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #31
Read post number 63 for a part of the answer as to why people can't see the truth. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #66
You can blame the doomers for a good part of the problem. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #64
Aside from that loyalsister Sep 2012 #115
Anyone who farms or gardens is aware of it. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #8
Local action by individuals is pointless. TalkingDog Sep 2012 #15
I disagree with everything you said. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #17
Local action by individuals can have a massive effect bhikkhu Sep 2012 #47
a "massive effect"??? guardian Sep 2012 #98
The days after the tipping point, the world is still here bhikkhu Sep 2012 #104
the earth doesn't need us, we need it datasuspect Sep 2012 #24
Correct tavalon Sep 2012 #30
I'm halfway up the Maine coast magical thyme Sep 2012 #93
why do anything to stop it eShirl Sep 2012 #9
What teh bible fails to tell us is that "lake of fire" ain't somewhere else, kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #51
I have a similar view of those people...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #65
When the Western Roman Empire was disintegrating... Odin2005 Sep 2012 #10
The only problem with the.... sendero Sep 2012 #12
This. n/t Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #19
Du rec. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #14
OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE INFESTED WITH CORRUPT SOCIOPATHS 90-percent Sep 2012 #16
Sociopaths, indeed. villager Sep 2012 #80
A big part of the problem is a disinformation campaign that says it's not happening freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #21
Why do you think the disinformation campaign exists? theinquisitivechad Sep 2012 #22
Because certain very rich people and companies don't want to change n2doc Sep 2012 #28
And also. . . theinquisitivechad Sep 2012 #23
stupid humans spanone Sep 2012 #25
Reasons I don't recycle number 11: grocery receipts. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #26
It might be eerie but it is also typical. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #27
You know why there is such apathy? tavalon Sep 2012 #29
You sound like you are channeling your inner Marcus Aurelius. Myself, I remember this coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #34
It's funny, I stay very engaged with life tavalon Sep 2012 #44
Since Operation Shocking and Awful, I've grown increasingly withdrawn from coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #49
A whole literary genre is based on this premise: Naturalism. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #55
I guess my view is a bit more optimistic. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #62
I've never seen denial on the scale that it's happening on this issue. ananda Sep 2012 #32
The love and admiration people feel for Mother Nature. raouldukelives Sep 2012 #33
Denial isn't just a rapidly-drying river in Egypt Blue Owl Sep 2012 #36
catstrophe almost always has its origin at Denial River librechik Sep 2012 #37
Poor Canada doesn't realize what is on the way! nt CK_John Sep 2012 #38
And it's all based on population. But we can't talk about it. Gregorian Sep 2012 #40
I agree. tabasco Sep 2012 #50
Are you volunteering first, Dr. Kevorkian? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #56
That's a shallow, unworthy response. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #58
Thanks. You just proved the point I was making. Gregorian Sep 2012 #59
Please elucidate. RE: Trillo Sep 2012 #70
Have fewer children. Gregorian Sep 2012 #72
How about "0" kids? Anyway, thank you. Trillo Sep 2012 #84
Exactly. There is a lot to this. But the solution really is trivial. Gregorian Sep 2012 #86
Congratulations! Applause ... Really! ... anyway, The solution seems simple. Trillo Sep 2012 #116
My introduction to Ted Rall, the cartoonist Gregorian Sep 2012 #117
Then lets talk about it. Forget the euphemisms! Lets really TALK about it. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #71
Personal responsibility. Have less children. One. None. Gregorian Sep 2012 #73
Ah. So the poor poverty stricken people of the world are just irresponsible? NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #81
Yup, that's a BIG part of it aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #100
The Media are worse than mere traitors upi402 Sep 2012 #45
Earth becomes Venus. mick063 Sep 2012 #48
Earth will not become Venus Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #52
I'm sorry, no. Bullshit. Caca. Schiess. Merde. ETC. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #67
I'm sorry, no. Bullshit. Caca. Schiess. Merde. ETC. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68
We're almost there already slackmaster Sep 2012 #82
LOL Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #103
And they're still being too conservative... truebrit71 Sep 2012 #53
There is nothing anymore humanity can do. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #54
This Is Denial... And There Is NO Bigger Denial Than That Of Climate Change... And Our Own Fate WillyT Sep 2012 #57
Yep. Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #60
The doomers didn't help either. See post 63..........The truth has to come out. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #77
We are in trouble. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #63
The problem is, a lot of us were told the same thing 10-20 years ago NickB79 Sep 2012 #74
Told what, exactly? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #75
You're deflecting the blame, if your house or building is on fire, you don't tell the people Uncle Joe Sep 2012 #90
Not at all, Uncle Joe. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #91
Two points 1. Humanity could go extinct and if not at least civilization as we know it Uncle Joe Sep 2012 #92
Civilization as we know it may indeed be in grave danger. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #95
The Toba eruption is in no way comparable to global warming NickB79 Sep 2012 #102
Sorry, but your point hasn't been proven. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #106
Then point to evidence of a global mass extinction 70,000 yr ago NickB79 Sep 2012 #110
Notice I never threw out any percentages? AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #111
It's not that humanity is pretending it's not happening. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #76
And don't forget the damage the doomers did, too. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #78
No it is that multi-million dollar PR campaigns to sow doubt have been very successful in America. Overseas Sep 2012 #97
Very true, sadly. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #108
Actually, earlier warnings (in the 80's) tried to be more moderate, not to alarm people. Overseas Sep 2012 #113
You left out a key problem. The Doomers. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #114
Humanity isn't ignoring it. Those who pass as leaders are ignoring the problem. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2012 #79
I agree completely PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #85
Read "The Last Flight of Dr. Ain" by James Tiptree, jr. dimbear Sep 2012 #101
Pissing on Paradise... countryjake Sep 2012 #87
Nero fiddled... LWolf Sep 2012 #88
i don't want rome to burn :0( DonRedwood Sep 2012 #96
No - people are being brainwashed into thinking it's not happening. Initech Sep 2012 #94
That would be a major step forward. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #105
But bacon tastes good! flvegan Sep 2012 #107
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