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In reply to the discussion: Are Liberals Too Eager to Believe Sex Charges Against Julian Assange? [View all]marmar
(77,073 posts)11. So does strident labeling of anyone who questions the charges as being afflicted by "hero worship"
N'est-ce pas?
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If you admittedly know nothing of the facts of the case, why are you judging the opinions of others?
leveymg
Sep 2012
#111
Conspiracy theories exist because the official explanations no longer make sense.
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#126
I posted it in GD a couple weeks ago. Got locked and told to take it to Creative Speculation.
backscatter712
Sep 2012
#169
Well said. And your observation is worth repeating. Please let me borrow a portion:
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#98
An excellent post. Rape apologia requires a lot of explanation, though, which is why
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#148
And it has not occurred to you that there is available evidence in this case which
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#172
He is not charged with or wanted for rape. You still are not in possession of the facts
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#196
Obviously you are not in possession of the facts. He is wanted for QUESTIONING.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#209
"... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings,
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#225
Again he is wanted for questioning, that is all. There are no charges filed. I am well
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#229
... In this matter, the prosecutor’s deliberations resulted in a request for the detention
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#244
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#223
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#265
Is that your experience in Canada? Are liberals in Canada the same as liberals in the US?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#104
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#266
So does strident labeling of anyone who questions the charges as being afflicted by "hero worship"
marmar
Sep 2012
#11
After two years of letting him play the appeals process for all it was worth...
randome
Sep 2012
#25
There are a few countries in this world that would totally disagree with you on that.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#234
Narcissism isn't against the law in any country, as far as I'm aware. If the women themselves
1monster
Sep 2012
#31
President Obama dosen't flinch at "taking out" actual and supposed enemies and
1monster
Sep 2012
#42
Have you a link for "has refused to cooperate with the Swedish police", please?
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2012
#108
Apparently, Sweden is a unique jurisdiction...a person reports acts, and then
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#180
I asked you before but you have not answered: Where do you see this hero-worship, and who
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#99
Nope. Unless of course you automatically believe that women lie about assault.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2012
#12
I stated a fact. There are still no charges against Assange after two, long years where it was
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#88
And you already know that this excuse has been debunked over and over again. Even they
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#95
Resorting again to personal attacks, but you still have not answered the question nearly
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#105
It is not correct to say that Sweden could not arrest someone in London. They are a member
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#110
Um, a Swedish court has ordered his arrest: the Swedes want him back in Sweden to arrest him
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#253
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list Vi
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#267
Lies, lies and lies are all you are offering. Assange was cleared and allowed to leave
1monster
Sep 2012
#34
"... In cross-examination the Swedish lawyer confirmed that paragraph 13 of his proof of evidence is
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#251
Well, if he had run, you would have a point. But he did not run. In fact he went to the police
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#92
The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying:
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#252
The defense did not lie, the defense like many defense attorneys do every day
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#289
Assange's attorney admitted to the court he had made untrue claims -- yet you repeat those claims
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#294
No, I believe a woman when she says 'there was no rape'. Why would anyone not believe her?
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#97
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#276
There is a valid arrest order from a Swedish court, which has withstood several appeals
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#295
Glad you brought up the 'valid arrest warrant'. There is doubt as to whether that arrest
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#298
The matter's been litigated thoroughly in both the UK and Sweden. The Swedish court's arrest order
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#299
The matter of the legitimacy of the warrant has been raised and has not been litigated
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#300
Warrant validity was the central topic in the UK cases. Assange lost. The cases are here:
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#301
It has not been litigated in Sweden. The issue has been raised in Sweden and
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#303
Yes, Rove, glad you brought it up. Rove has been, oh so coincidentally, in the background
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#101
Let me try again to keep this discussion on an adult level. Why has the prosecutor
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#106
Got any evidence of that? I'm sure you are not trying to be funny since you apparently take
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#107
I think nothing of Rove, the criminal 'mastermind' behind Palin, Romney & Akin.
randome
Sep 2012
#120
Not everywhere, but definitely and coincidentally in Sweden at just the 'right' time.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#231
If you remember he was being questioned by Congress for his role in the firing of the US
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#232
Such as your own comments in this thread dismissing those who actually want to see
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#143
From my observations, I've seen quite the opposite reaction among liberals to the charges
Cirque du So-What
Sep 2012
#59
Obama is a centrist, not a liberal. We liberals wish he was a liberal. Oh, yeah, and
valerief
Sep 2012
#134
And again, you leave out one very important fact. Assange has been available for questioning
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#141
It takes energy to do what you are doing to set the facts straight, and I thank you.
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#220
In my experience no one is ever too eager to believe rape charges, particularly against a celebrity.
D23MIURG23
Sep 2012
#72
I see the opposite in this case. I see a concerted effort to believe the rape
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#173
They stated that there was no threat to them, that they were never in danger
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#161
Well, if that is true, then Assange should be able to win easily in Sweden
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#245
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#277
In what way, exactly, are those who have abandoned the presumption of innocence "liberals"?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#76
You are claiming to have special expertise on an issue of which you obviously do not such expertise.
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#206
'All lawyers'? Totally wrong. You apparently are the one not keeping up with this case.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#238
This is not about success in court; it's about when the allegation is 'rape'
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2012
#239
Note that the rape allegation is about Sofia, not the woman Boström refers to (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2012
#288
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list V
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#268
"the public’s desire to see officials investigate rape/crimes against women is being exploited"
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#123
Yes, he did. But I did not. Karl Rove fled to Sweden when he was wanted here by
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#140
"Shooting George Galloway in the face isn't murder! It's just bad gun etiquette!"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#158
Wypijewski's piece shows just how much analytical power the Left has lost, by abandoning
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#150
Your peculiar belief, that everyone who disagrees with you is a rightwinger, can serve
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#197
Your peculiar belief, that everyone who disagrees with you is a rightwinger, can serve
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#212
LOL! Bush: "See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again
Zorra
Sep 2012
#247
it's nothing to do with wikileaks being 'sacred'. i personally have doubts about what wikileaks
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#221
That's because "Israel Shamir" who authored that rumour (at your link) is well known in Sweden
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#179
Is that philosophy true across the boards or just when you find it a good arguing point.
Bonobo
Sep 2012
#201
What we know is that the prosecutor has evaded and obfuscated and avoided filing
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#204
I believe he should answer the charges, assuming neither guilt nor innocence.
AtomicKitten
Sep 2012
#208
Well, that's up to the prosecutor. He already voluntary spoke to the police. But the prosecutor
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#211
The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying:
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#270
You "believe he should answer the charges" when no charges have been brought by a prosecutor?
AnotherMcIntosh
Sep 2012
#215
You clearly do not value (nor are familiar with) Sweden's legal due process.
AtomicKitten
Sep 2012
#224
And you clearly do not understand Sweden's legal due process. A process that so far
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#237
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#271
"... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings,
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#272
The Stockholm District Court has ordered Assange's arrest. He appealed twice but lost
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#273
Hack's back. How about answering my questions on your standards as the arbiter of a sex crime
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#242
Nice try hack. The women didn't report a crime, they went for an HIV test
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#246
I wouldn't. And neither did the women in Sweden. But you are saying you get to decide
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#255
I just told you the exact same thing happened to me this morning and I am a-ok with that.
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#259
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story"
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#278
"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#274
The Stockholm District Court has ordered Assange's arrest. He appealed twice but lost
struggle4progress
Sep 2012
#275
Yes--you can dismiss those allegations....they are completely fabricated by a nasty little man
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#292