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tama

(9,137 posts)
706. What I'm tired of
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:53 PM
Aug 2012

is liberals and progressives defending and supporting giving even half a penny to military. I love space exploration and no matter what path or paths humanity takes, building and maintaining technological antidote against big space lumps threatening planetary scale destruction of ecosystem does not sound a bad idea.

I think it's the idea of MIC and banksters taking over space exploration what is the real turn off for most of us. Nazi colony on moon can be a fun movie, but...

we can't clothe the naked. feed the hungry, comfort and support the widow. xchrom Aug 2012 #1
There is plenty money to go around. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #2
Sure we can. What Odin's talking about is couch-cushion stuff compared to the defense budget. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #3
perhaps taking me too literally? xchrom Aug 2012 #5
Assuming it's one or the other is silly. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #6
Agree with you in general but right now we have accomplished neither. randome Aug 2012 #8
That's assuming it's one or the other, which remains silly. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #16
NASA has made advances towards all those things Nevernose Aug 2012 #47
It bugs me how few people get how miniscule NASA's budget is. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #60
It's part of a piece of rhetoric a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #137
+1,000,000,000,000 Odin2005 Aug 2012 #138
1 Trillion??? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #141
Heh, there is that, yeah. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #140
I usually figure a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #146
They are the "small minds" I hate. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #174
to them... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #185
That reminds me of an old saying: Odin2005 Aug 2012 #200
interesting... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #206
And is why the popularity of the Kardashians is depressing. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #213
I don't envision ever getting in touch with them a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #217
Huh? Keefer Aug 2012 #247
Made perfect sense to me... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #413
that is good stuff.....any idea who said it? navarth Aug 2012 #694
The reason we're not colonizing the planets is because Michael Moorcock and Samuel R. Delany klook Aug 2012 #353
nice try a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #355
Doc Smith and Judith Merril Fist Fight in Heaven klook Aug 2012 #377
klook a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #382
"Consies," they were called klook Aug 2012 #398
Defeatig republicans a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #399
This is really fascinating to me navarth Aug 2012 #699
Thanks! klook Aug 2012 #722
hmmm... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #732
Hey, Navarth -- klook Aug 2012 #734
klook a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #742
wonderful, wonderful. thank you so much navarth Aug 2012 #743
Silverberg a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #747
wow. navarth Aug 2012 #762
SF seems to generate a new label every 5 or so years a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #765
That list really knocked me out.... navarth Aug 2012 #764
Wall Street executive bonuses are 1% of the US economy, about $150 billion krispos42 Aug 2012 #737
Quoting the late, great Bill Hicks: LongTomH Aug 2012 #72
Hicks was a fucking genius! Odin2005 Aug 2012 #73
Thank you. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #75
Beautiful sentiment but unilateral disarmament doesn't work. Sorry. nt. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #90
We could cut our military 90% without getting close to "unilateral disarmament" hunter Aug 2012 #115
I don't know about 90%, but I agree that a huge amount could be cut. 50%? Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #120
If we modernized and implemented General Butler's plan for an actual Dept. of Defense Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #341
How many times has the United States been attacked in its entire history? Hugabear Aug 2012 #796
so? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #801
One of the key words that shouldn't be overlooked there... drokhole Aug 2012 #339
That's pretty much... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #357
Only fools and knaves can't discriminate between "drugs"... drokhole Aug 2012 #383
yup... okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #386
Tell Francis Crick to "go learn some science". EOTE Aug 2012 #490
oh boy... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #491
Whether someone "had a vision" or not would not be a factor in whether I trusted their design or not EOTE Aug 2012 #494
No, I'm a victim a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #513
For a fan of science, you think in an incredibly UNscientific manner. EOTE Aug 2012 #521
okay then... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #530
Once again, you think that anecdotes are science. EOTE Aug 2012 #617
Don't flatter yourself... drokhole Aug 2012 #619
Very interesting post. That TED talk is amazing. EOTE Aug 2012 #664
Actually... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #526
Talking to yourself now? EOTE Aug 2012 #618
If you aren't listening, why did you respond? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #630
Still refusing to address any salient points? EOTE Aug 2012 #631
sigh a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #632
So apparently you think anti-drug propaganda is observable fact. EOTE Aug 2012 #663
Wow a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #670
So, are you going to provide any proof for the urban legends you've been touting as fact? EOTE Aug 2012 #681
I posted 3 sources from NIH a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #687
You posted three sources from the NIH which had NOTHING to do with our discussion. That's called a EOTE Aug 2012 #692
Wow a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #697
Once again, they had NOTHING to do with our conversation. EOTE Aug 2012 #700
sounds like you can't argue against those articles a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #703
You have absolutely nothing but non-sequitors. Nothing but putting words in my mouth. EOTE Aug 2012 #705
Let me know when you've got a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #708
Are you slow or something? What in those articles is contrary to anything I've said? EOTE Aug 2012 #715
Wow a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #716
More urban legends and refusing to address even the simplest of issues. EOTE Aug 2012 #718
And by the way, thanks for showing how incredibly safe LSD is. EOTE Aug 2012 #688
And your attempts to evangelize are funny a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #690
So that's a big, fat no. EOTE Aug 2012 #695
When you are willing to post FACTS then we can talk a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #701
Your facts are that LSD can cause clinical insanity and that people get strychnine poisoning from EOTE Aug 2012 #704
yup... As I thought a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #707
Why the fuck should I argue against those articles (even though I already have)? EOTE Aug 2012 #709
except... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #711
A few more... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #714
Are these about hemmoroids? EOTE Aug 2012 #719
nope a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #720
So, I guess you gave up on telling me how safe I implied LSD is? EOTE Aug 2012 #721
Hey there buddy a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #726
You have been proven to be a liar numerous times on this thread. EOTE Aug 2012 #739
and thank you for your exit speech a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #741
How safe have I implied LSD is? I can guarantee you won't provide an honest answer to that question EOTE Aug 2012 #717
Dude tama Aug 2012 #746
I'm not sure what "whole-body fears" you're referring to. EOTE Aug 2012 #750
Dude... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #753
Leave me the fuck alone. EOTE Aug 2012 #754
I thought you weren't talking to me... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #756
That's certainly understandable. EOTE Aug 2012 #757
hmmm a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #759
"Grow up" says the creepy stalker who won't stop responding to posts not addressed to him. EOTE Aug 2012 #760
And here a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #763
Fears tama Aug 2012 #761
Sorry, I'm still not very certain to what you're referring. EOTE Aug 2012 #768
Very general level - on purpose tama Aug 2012 #778
I figure that fear a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #779
Yep tama Aug 2012 #780
mind you, most abstract fears a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #782
So, what are you trying to suggest, exactly? EOTE Aug 2012 #781
Art of Persuasion tama Aug 2012 #784
Makes sense, but I wasn't really aiming to convert a mass audience. EOTE Aug 2012 #786
The ego thing tama Aug 2012 #789
I'd love it too. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #606
Considering the number of jobs that space colonization would generate... Zalatix Aug 2012 #95
THAT'S the spirit! Odin2005 Aug 2012 #103
Hell, Curiosity's employed about 4,400 people so far. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #104
Any new facility must have janitors. Zalatix Aug 2012 #111
Definitely - what I meant is I don't know if that number included them or not. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #207
So who starves and goes naked between here and there? xchrom Aug 2012 #105
Who says we do nothing between now and the next rocket that gets built? Zalatix Aug 2012 #110
I wish people... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #121
FAR less, Keefer Aug 2012 #253
My bad. Must be being done. Some where. Not on planet earth. xchrom Aug 2012 #166
That's a false choice of the worst kind. baldguy Aug 2012 #118
To quote SMBC: "Sorry, can't hear you. I only listen to noises that might save babies." DRoseDARs Aug 2012 #173
Cynical but oh so right on. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #188
We clothe the the poor in space-age fiber. sofa king Aug 2012 #362
I remember reading somewhere about the spin-off payout a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #392
I've seen as low as 8:1 kentauros Aug 2012 #571
huh a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #572
Due to NASA seemingly being the only agency I ever see kentauros Aug 2012 #599
Best. Post. Ever. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #559
Odin... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #4
That last paragraph sounds like a "storytime!" cue. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #7
Let us gather 'round the heat of a fuming Neo-con (as he comtemplates FOUR MORE YEARS)... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #9
Oh, my. Warpy Aug 2012 #13
I've had to re-design the engines a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #17
You could always go with non-orbital kentauros Aug 2012 #122
cool vid! thank you! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #128
You're welcome :) kentauros Aug 2012 #152
whoops! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #154
Who wouldn't? kentauros Aug 2012 #176
I'll stick with this body a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #190
Then you better hope we never find John Varley's Titan kentauros Aug 2012 #194
That book is best read while high. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #209
I can get pretty high meditating. kentauros Aug 2012 #243
I love Pohl's Heechee books! Odin2005 Aug 2012 #205
I haven't read them in a long while. kentauros Aug 2012 #227
"Went away" is the best euphemism when applied to buildings. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #19
Hey! It's a model... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #20
"Went Away" BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Odin2005 Aug 2012 #53
Perhaps I mispoke... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #79
Did you get any height with the shed, or was it mostly arc? n/t jtuck004 Aug 2012 #88
well... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #92
Engineering a shed of unprecedented low density counts for something, right? (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #101
It was (originally) a medium sized red painted a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #109
"It's a little draft, but you can't beat one gram per cubic meter!" (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #203
welll... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #211
Zubrin was actually debunking the "it's too expensive" assumption. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #10
I sat in on one of Zubrin's presentations a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #12
That's a seriously awesome book. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #560
All of his data a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #563
Not while most of the seven billion of us go to bed hungry Warpy Aug 2012 #11
Warpy a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #14
Thanks for proving my point. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #18
Amen. I just found some really cool Gil Scott Heron footage. Check it out. Gregorian Aug 2012 #37
You're absolutely right. PavePusher Aug 2012 #131
False equivalence Warpy Aug 2012 #242
Gee, Warpy a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #350
Try Warpy Aug 2012 #376
Oh jesus a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #379
oh jesus, part two a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #380
All things considered, it would be much easier to colonize Antarctica bhikkhu Aug 2012 #15
A Sagan quote: Odin2005 Aug 2012 #22
I agree, but why ruin Antarctica or the ocean floor? Cleita Aug 2012 #23
Antarctica, yes. The ocean floor... maybe not. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #63
All those mountain expeditions and ocean voyages.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #157
Why? Cleita Aug 2012 #21
Cleita... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #27
I believe you would. Cleita Aug 2012 #192
The engines I'd choose... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #204
Most of our own planet is uninhabitable by us except for technology. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #29
As somebody who camps a lot in extreme wilderness, Cleita Aug 2012 #34
we know where to get water and shelter on Mars a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #117
You know it's really cold there. So a shelter would have to be more than a lean to. Cleita Aug 2012 #178
Expanded foamed rock should do it a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #277
Somehow, I doubt you go camping buck naked and without supplies. PavePusher Aug 2012 #159
And so I would on Mars, but if all my life support fails and Cleita Aug 2012 #181
And the exact same is true of almost every environment on Earth. PavePusher Aug 2012 #202
I can breathe oxygen just about anywhere on earth except under water. Cleita Aug 2012 #219
All that free air won't do you much good if you are caught unprepared in a blizzard. PavePusher Aug 2012 #228
I'm not against technology. Cleita Aug 2012 #234
I don't want them! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #278
You think we should never have started mining. You are against technology. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #303
I grew up in a mining camp. Cleita Aug 2012 #327
The key difference here a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #358
You do realize how dangerous mining is. Cleita Aug 2012 #424
okay then... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #425
Open pit mining doesn't solve the problem. It also scars the landscape. Go to West Virginia Cleita Aug 2012 #433
are you comparing the appalachians to a Stony type rock??? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #434
You still have to extract the ores and make it into something. Cleita Aug 2012 #447
Solar fractional heating takes care of that a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #464
You talk about solar and yet if you are on an asteriod in the belt, Cleita Aug 2012 #495
The simple version is a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #514
Odin tama Aug 2012 #225
I agree with you. hunter Aug 2012 #133
If humans are either incapable or unwilling to be avebury Aug 2012 #24
I'm sure our primary interest would be in mining any heavenly body out there Cleita Aug 2012 #26
It is most cost-effective to mine asteroids. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #31
Getting things DOWN a gravity well is relatively easy! LongTomH Aug 2012 #77
Ummm, Cleita? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #87
Just another version of the "polluting space" mantra. PavePusher Aug 2012 #163
O c'mon. We don't have a good history of cleaning up after ourselves. Cleita Aug 2012 #187
Cleita... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #198
Perhaps, but really should we be rearranging the Solar System? Cleita Aug 2012 #221
Cleita, I'm always suspicous of the word "should" a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #226
"Let it become an enormous park." Cleita Aug 2012 #231
Cleita a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #233
That could probably be arranged. Send them all to their Libertarian paradise with Cleita Aug 2012 #237
Cleita, a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #241
Are there robots yet in that world? Cleita Aug 2012 #251
sigh a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #279
You can buy kits out in the middle of space? Cleita Aug 2012 #284
ah... humor... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #288
Oh, you just got the humor? I was there all along with the Libertarian paradise meme. Cleita Aug 2012 #290
I just finished a 70 page thesis a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #292
Sorry, I didn't mean to be offensive. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #294
you weren't a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #298
That reminds me of Asimov's fictional world Solaria in his robot books. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #257
That one, and Caves of Steel are pretty good a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #260
You don't really think we could ever pollute space to any significant degree do you? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #640
But what about the deadly pollution of the delicate vacuum, by industrial fumes? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #641
60 years ago when I was twelve, I didn't believe we could pollute the earth. Cleita Aug 2012 #642
There are some assumptions there a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #643
60 years ago would be 1952, at which point we had already significantly 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #644
and we've learned a bit since then... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #645
Have we learned not to pollute tama Aug 2012 #650
sigh a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #653
Think tama Aug 2012 #660
alrighty then a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #661
... tama Aug 2012 #662
Okay then a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #672
2) tama Aug 2012 #698
kind of figured a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #702
Thank you for your water, may it grow a life of beauty :) tama Aug 2012 #712
hmmm a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #725
Cool tama Aug 2012 #736
why not bring them with? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #740
Of course. tama Aug 2012 #744
nope a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #745
Ah tama Aug 2012 #748
that I am a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #749
LOL eom tama Aug 2012 #790
You are probably right but the average person didn't know it. Cleita Aug 2012 #651
Uhm I don't know. Cleita Aug 2012 #183
It's not a problem a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #195
Orbital ballistics is an entirely different subject from "little regard to what we leave behind". PavePusher Aug 2012 #197
By that logic a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #28
You cannot really compare the immigration of people to the North avebury Aug 2012 #33
"humans no longer have nobility that is once had" What nonsense. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #40
Amen a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #91
Avebury... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #41
If humans are incapable or unwilling to rid themselves of their avebury Aug 2012 #62
RIIIIIIGHT... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #85
Humans have never been anything like noble. Codeine Aug 2012 #51
This is exactly the misanthropy I mentioned in my OP. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #30
Parochial nonsense. Codeine Aug 2012 #35
I haven't seen that movie... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #42
Avatar was a great movie by James Cameron, he's going to the moon in 2017 bananas Aug 2012 #321
Do you seriously think that if humans had the ability to avebury Aug 2012 #52
Have you seen what the other planets in our solar system look like? Codeine Aug 2012 #64
Movies and TV shows are your source a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #96
Look at the history of humanity - not overwhelmingly positive and avebury Aug 2012 #168
Asteroids are lifeless rocks. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #177
(Bob bows to his honorable opponent) a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #179
Yes, every other planet in the solar system looks like avatar Confusious Aug 2012 #59
Don't expect serious discussion from someone Codeine Aug 2012 #61
Or citing just about any SF these days to do so, for that matter Posteritatis Aug 2012 #66
I just finished a thesis paper on SF a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #98
I hate cyberpunk, and I think cyberpunk tropes are a part of the problem. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #108
Cyberpunk is a terrible, cliched genre Dash87 Aug 2012 #367
One can hope that someday you'll get through Confusious Aug 2012 #71
There are no Na'vi. We're it. We're the only manifestation of intelligent life in the universe. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #394
LOL, Jeff. LOL. =) AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #669
Well, maybe I'll amend my first opinion a bit. Cleita Aug 2012 #25
O'Neill talked about this a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #32
Easy way to make a space colony: Odin2005 Aug 2012 #36
Odin... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #43
I got the idea from Kim Stanley Robinson's new book "2312" Odin2005 Aug 2012 #49
What color will the sky be? I kid of course, surely it will be fluorescent blue. n/t 2on2u Aug 2012 #67
2312 was a great book; but, I still prefer Gerry O'Neill's designs LongTomH Aug 2012 #82
I was thinking that the asteroid's bulk would keep cosmic rays and solar flares out. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #124
There would be enough leftover asteroid or lunar regolith, plus 'slag' from the refining process.... LongTomH Aug 2012 #134
Cool site, thanks! Odin2005 Aug 2012 #136
We should have bullt these by now..... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #127
I would kill to live in one with the climate of San Franscisco. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #142
How about we grab a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #149
Too far away from the sun. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #158
so we build up a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #161
Fair enough. Plenty of silica on the moon as well as nearby asteroids. n/t A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #180
I'm all in. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #189
Gimme another 11 people with some tech skills a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #193
Easily done. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #150
Heretic a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #144
Under an entirely new set of rules, I would suppose. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #155
getting paid by the mile would feel pretty good... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #160
Nooooo. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #172
I Reaaallllly want to a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #182
"Export"?!? A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #215
I like it! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #222
I'm fine with wine. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #258
at 5 cents per KWH a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #262
That is the fucking craziest shit I have ever seen jsmirman Aug 2012 #273
you could build the mirrors out of thick tin foil, and deisgn the whole thing to a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #280
Google "Lagrangian Point" A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #296
Thank you both for the answers jsmirman Aug 2012 #314
So this would work so long as jsmirman Aug 2012 #316
I'm by no means a mathmatician.... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #320
Argh jsmirman Aug 2012 #340
Great Book a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #359
probably safer than working with the problems a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #102
Ben Bova came up with it before that, but I doubt it was new for him either Occulus Aug 2012 #426
For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #565
great episode! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #567
I'm holding out for a ringworld. kentauros Aug 2012 #145
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #151
Why can't robots do most of the structural work? kentauros Aug 2012 #162
With ladder logic PLC's a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #167
You're a Maker?! kentauros Aug 2012 #191
I am a Maker. Been one all my life... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #201
"Great Maker!" kentauros Aug 2012 #224
LOL a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #229
Then I have a site for you to mine: kentauros Aug 2012 #240
A ringworld would be awesome. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #184
Yeah, but that automated recentering system will burn ya! kentauros Aug 2012 #196
Ringworlds and Dyson Spheres are thousands of years away. LongTomH Aug 2012 #506
Thanks for taking my post literally kentauros Aug 2012 #569
Just make sure to leave spaces for the deserts. Dr. Strange Aug 2012 #713
You need spices kentauros Aug 2012 #723
Okay... I'll say it, if no one else does a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #728
May the Schwarz be with you! kentauros Aug 2012 #731
that works! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #733
Maybe so, but remember... Dr. Strange Aug 2012 #738
hell, we can't colonize earth spanone Aug 2012 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #39
I was floored by those Huygens lander images from Titan. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #80
OP can't distinguish sci-fi from science. stopbush Aug 2012 #44
So you are calling Robert Zubrin a liar? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #46
Putting a colony on any number of nearby bodies in our solar system Codeine Aug 2012 #48
...Sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #106
Nonsense Liberal_Dog Aug 2012 #132
My HS library was depressingly underfunded Posteritatis Aug 2012 #169
Robert Goddard flew the first liquid-fuel rocket just 22 years after the Wrights' first flight.... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #439
Robotic exploration is much cheaper and will produce more technical innovation struggle4progress Aug 2012 #50
It's not about "cheaper", and it's not about technological innovation. Codeine Aug 2012 #54
Some time in the eighties, best as I can tell. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #56
Bland, grey, and soulless. Codeine Aug 2012 #69
I'm a fan, and I build a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #139
when history ended (n/t) BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #57
The object of space exploration should be the scientific info we can obtain. That, of course, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #65
All depends on what you count Confusious Aug 2012 #93
ugh no thanks BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #55
I'd go to space in a heartbeat. Codeine Aug 2012 #58
I'll be the guy with the bags of tea a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #129
The Hubbert Hurdle applied to the Fermi Paradox bhikkhu Aug 2012 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #86
Here's my rebuttal of the Paradox: Odin2005 Aug 2012 #97
My response is simply "404" Posteritatis Aug 2012 #99
Oh, I admit that it's just pure speculation on my part! Odin2005 Aug 2012 #113
Yeah, okay. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #70
Don't be so rude... The OP makes some good points. Dash87 Aug 2012 #76
We can't even take care of our own planet. Alduin Aug 2012 #74
The other planets in the solar system are wastelands Confusious Aug 2012 #78
Yes. Alduin Aug 2012 #311
Well then please explain Confusious Aug 2012 #325
Because that's what life does. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #81
Colonizing Mars means bring it BACK TO LIFE via terraforming. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #89
To my pagan friends, I usually reply a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #107
That's EXACTLY my attitude. We are Gaia's way of reproducing. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #119
Overall... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #125
Exactly. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #126
Easier said than done. Alduin Aug 2012 #309
We only know ours is fucked up Nevernose Aug 2012 #199
yep heaven05 Aug 2012 #83
It's not a matter of technology. It's a matter of will. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #84
we still only have about a 50/50 record when it comes to landing on Mars Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #94
We should have been on Mars by now. roamer65 Aug 2012 #100
Agree to Disagree. bvar22 Aug 2012 #112
Attacking? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #114
Nobody is "attacking" anything. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #116
Yeah, I know. bvar22 Aug 2012 #143
...sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #165
The mining will be on asteroids, not Mars. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #171
I find it interesting a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #239
Let's hope they never watch the original Russian movie Solyaris kentauros Aug 2012 #248
SHHHHH!!! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #259
It's the Deep Ecology people. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #261
Being a Pagan Smith a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #263
You can't tama Aug 2012 #364
Given that "logic" a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #369
As I've said tama Aug 2012 #372
Sins of the father? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #375
No tama Aug 2012 #437
hmmm... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #440
So you think if we 'stay home and play nice', your putative Vogons will leave us alone? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #444
Golden and Silver rule tama Aug 2012 #455
Being as their doesn't seem to be any other intelligent lifeforms in the Solar system... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #459
Sounds good to me! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #467
"Doesn't seem to be" tama Aug 2012 #470
"Not all populations and cultures behave in that way" How about the Maya and the people of Rapa Nui? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #446
How about the Maya? tama Aug 2012 #465
Well said! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #471
If you *really* feel that way, I know some people you should talk to: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #442
The technology is already here to colonize the moon Taverner Aug 2012 #123
We've had the tech since 1939 a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #130
You're crazy. The most important thing in the world is to make rich people richer valerief Aug 2012 #135
Then pass me my straitjacket, and get me my meds a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #147
Time to get drunk and jaded with the rest of us. valerief Aug 2012 #153
I'd rather build a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #156
What if we convince the PTB to build penal colonies in the Kuiper Belt? (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #164
LOL a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #170
Would renaming it Spacestralia and wrapping a cheesy reality show around it draw migrants? (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #175
hmmm a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #186
This subject should TRANSCEND political wrangling! fxmakeupguy Aug 2012 #148
Excellent post! kentauros Aug 2012 #208
WECOME TO DU!!! Odin2005 Aug 2012 #216
If you're starting off with posts like that I sure hope you stick around for awhile! (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #218
Welcome a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #235
For all those people who are sneering at those who are concerned about polluting space, Cleita Aug 2012 #210
I'll continue to sneer at anyone who tries to cite Avatar as evidence in an argument. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #212
So it's a cartoon. Is that your problem? Cleita Aug 2012 #214
My "problem" is that it has zero bearing - none, zip, nada - on any reasonable argument. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #220
Nor should it so why do other people bring it up? Cleita Aug 2012 #223
Cleita a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #232
The Amazon rain forest, a cave environment, and <shudder> Pandora are all Codeine Aug 2012 #236
This is the error people make. Cleita Aug 2012 #245
But an asteroid isn't a cave. Codeine Aug 2012 #249
How do you know? Cleita Aug 2012 #255
Are you seriously trying to argue that airless asteroids are somehow vibrant ecosystems? (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #268
No and I don't know where you get that. Cleita Aug 2012 #274
By that 'logic' we shouldn't be mining anything, anywhere, ever. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #286
That would be fine with me. Cleita Aug 2012 #289
WTF??? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #291
There are other materials to make those things from. Cleita Aug 2012 #330
That's a really stupid thing to say via the Internet. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #300
Please leave. You only want to insult and feel superior to anyone who Cleita Aug 2012 #332
Did you post that with a sustainable, organically-grown computer? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #448
Of course not. Cleita Aug 2012 #450
So you use advanced technology to sustain life, but prefer others go without? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #456
Oh Snap! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #472
*FACEPALM* Odin2005 Aug 2012 #306
And you have the chutzpah to post that on the Internet? PavePusher Aug 2012 #335
Why do I have to do that? I am a woman and I know how to spin and weave from Cleita Aug 2012 #338
Cleita a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #349
Actually, it would have to be a communal farming society like the New Stone Agers, the Cleita Aug 2012 #454
If it all broke down a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #460
Living like we did 200 years ago wouldn't be that bad. Cleita Aug 2012 #498
And you'd have have no antibiotics, few vaccines a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #517
Let me make something clear. Cleita Aug 2012 #527
While I like a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #531
I wasn't talking about doing it for hours or even doing it at all. Cleita Aug 2012 #534
hmmm... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #535
Spinning is a high intensity bicycle class in a gym. Cleita Aug 2012 #538
Interesting... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #543
It's not unhip what you do, but many people who have sedentary jobs Cleita Aug 2012 #546
sure... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #548
Oh it's not up to me to do it, but you guys who dream of Cleita Aug 2012 #549
in that case a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #551
Because it will give you the knowledge to fix them in space. Cleita Aug 2012 #553
Nice chatting with you, too a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #555
Gardening communities tama Aug 2012 #496
okay... here we go a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #515
Response tama Aug 2012 #536
Response to response a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #542
... tama Aug 2012 #573
Tama... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #575
Willing I am tama Aug 2012 #591
This is the stuff that makes my blood tingle a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #594
Are you familiar tama Aug 2012 #598
"The land belongs to everyone." How many homeless people stay at your place? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #449
Me, I stay at their place. I can't offer my benefactors land to anyone can I now? n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #452
Without either, BILLIONS STARVE. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #342
That is just a conjecture on your part. Cleita Aug 2012 #343
It HAS been tried a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #360
After hunter gatherers, there were farmers in the Stone Age. Cleita Aug 2012 #427
Cleita a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #428
Sorry, it wasn't technology but knowledge. Cleita Aug 2012 #505
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #519
Curanderas/os tama Aug 2012 #595
There is no use explaining that here. Cleita Aug 2012 #603
Who does? :D tama Aug 2012 #605
For that matter... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #430
Terra preta tama Aug 2012 #499
Thanks. I have actually read about it. Cleita Aug 2012 #502
I guessed you might have tama Aug 2012 #509
It likely was a planet a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #272
Avatar was about an earth-like planet. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #238
Nothing is really dead. Cleita Aug 2012 #250
You're venturing rapidly into "don't know what you're talking about" territory with that analogy. nt Posteritatis Aug 2012 #265
Cleita a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #276
Well, when you figure out how to plant a garden, without needed energy sources and Cleita Aug 2012 #293
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #297
You are amazing. drokhole Aug 2012 #345
Is Mars really that dead? Cleita Aug 2012 #275
But it's dead now. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #281
So that means we should go destroy a geological record? Cleita Aug 2012 #282
Terraforming Mars will take a few hundred years. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #285
I don't think you will ever get an atmosphere through terraforming that will Cleita Aug 2012 #493
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #287
You could be no more wrong. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #468
No I don't but frankly I think we really need to examine our footprint and Cleita Aug 2012 #492
You say you didn't have a heater growing up. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #611
My bad. I didn't elaborate that it wasn't an electric or gas heater. I forget that Cleita Aug 2012 #621
I fully understood the implication. You don't understand heater efficiencies. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #622
If it is good for you. Cleita Aug 2012 #623
Cleita, it likely WAS alive a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #283
You keep talking about "polluting space". PavePusher Aug 2012 #331
Then go away and find someone rational enough for you. Cleita Aug 2012 #334
Is there a difference between a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #537
Guessing what you are thinking. Cleita Aug 2012 #541
I don't like intimidation a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #547
Cost of Hubble telescope program over the last THIRTY years = $10 billion jsr Aug 2012 #230
They want to privatize the Space Program. What killed it was the Privatizers. They don't want sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #244
The solar system would beg to differ: coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #246
Buddha's left nut! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #267
Again, the life on other planets wants us to remain on earth: coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #370
Coalition... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #371
Health insurance for all = "silly causes." Welcome to my Ignore list. N.B. It's coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #390
here we go a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #391
Perhaps the space based weapons (in both high and low earth orbit) had priority, Odin2005. bobthedrummer Aug 2012 #252
Robotic probes will be the principal mode of space exploration for the foreseeable future entanglement Aug 2012 #254
All the money or will in the world won't change the fact that we don't know HOW. LeftyMom Aug 2012 #256
We can do it for $30 billion dollars. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #266
We can't do it for $300 billion. Unless we decide the people involved are disposable. LeftyMom Aug 2012 #295
please! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #299
We can discover "how" through innovation. kentauros Aug 2012 #315
Let's send the Republicans to Uranus AnnieBW Aug 2012 #264
+1000 ellisonz Aug 2012 #344
We need to get the country back into realizing the importance of science and exploration. Marrah_G Aug 2012 #269
If we do that a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #270
I agree that if we are going to spend trillions on military hardware, how much Cleita Aug 2012 #271
Yeah, let's spread our hatred and fighting to the stars. Trillo Aug 2012 #301
brilliant "logic" a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #302
We've already fired a missile at the moon. First it was explored, then was used as target practice. Trillo Aug 2012 #363
Oh sweet jeebers a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #368
You guys are so predictable. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #307
Most folks are pretty nice. Trillo Aug 2012 #366
riiight a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #374
Well, I think there is some on that 3rd rock.... guess that eliminates your point #1 Trillo Aug 2012 #396
Trillo a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #397
I'm against that meme tama Aug 2012 #501
You said it yourself. NASA is competing directly with the Pentagon for technology spending. leveymg Aug 2012 #304
I wholly, emphatically agree with your post. David__77 Aug 2012 #305
I'm a Technogaian who think technology and sustainibility go hand an hand. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #310
sigh... as an astrophysicist, I feel the saddest for the irrationally optimistic MStuart Aug 2012 #308
LMAO, people like you in 1950 thought space flight was impossible. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #313
I don't know where you're getting your information from... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #319
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I find it difficult to believe that you are an astrophysicist, kentauros Aug 2012 #323
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Ah, the classic example of a kentauros Aug 2012 #328
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Yeah, but when the fuel runs out, and all forward momentum stops dead, kentauros Aug 2012 #333
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And we can't get to the Indies by sailing west.... n/t PavePusher Aug 2012 #337
When I was in elementary school (1960-66) my dream was to be on the 1st manned mission to Mars... Rowdyboy Aug 2012 #312
Anthropocentric BS Sick of the GOP Aug 2012 #317
Hey Buddy! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #318
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #329
What Warren said! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #352
Preach it brother. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #393
So we let the misanthropes stay on parts of Earth a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #395
Please read again what you wrote tama Aug 2012 #539
It usually means "man hater" a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #544
If the hint was too subtle tama Aug 2012 #550
Oh? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #552
A thing about philosophy tama Aug 2012 #580
Tama... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #581
Best space thread I've seen here in quite a while! LunaSea Aug 2012 #346
Why? We are NOT special and WILL die out one day regardless. CaptPicard Aug 2012 #347
I told them that whole "multicellular" thing was just a fad, but no, they wouldn't listen! JHB Aug 2012 #348
That was super-helpful. nt Codeine Aug 2012 #351
Thank you for your less than stirring screed a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #354
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #356
too many a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #361
That doesn't sound like the Jean-Luc Picard we all know. Efilroft Sul Aug 2012 #378
You are being disingenous to dismiss ... GeorgeGist Aug 2012 #365
no... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #373
Star Trek is just a TV show. I know that sometimes, *it just seems sooo real!!!!*. Just tv. Romulox Aug 2012 #381
so you are going to bring up a TV show??? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #384
Yes I am. Because we all KNOW that Science FANTASY animates much of this discussion. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #385
Who's this We? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #387
Gibberish. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #388
I agree with you, that a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #389
What immutable law of nature prevents us from ever leaving earth? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #436
None, so far as I know. Who is stopping *you* from beginning a new life in the cosmos, right now? Romulox Aug 2012 #525
You are dead set on the "if we haven't done it now it must be impossible" mentality 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #529
Discussion hits a brick wall when you start refuting points nobody has made. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #629
Sorry, someone else must have said: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #638
Is that a physical or a philosophical question? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #639
You put quote marks around something I didn't say, right in your subject line for post 529. Romulox Aug 2012 #666
And you still haven't answered MY question: Who's stopping you from living in space? What physical Romulox Aug 2012 #667
You really think it's an individual effort? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #668
I'm not the one complaining about it, though. YOU are. So it's your job to convince everyone Romulox Aug 2012 #671
Now you're moving the goalposts 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #676
Learn how to use quotation marks, please! I NEVER used the word "impossible". nt Romulox Aug 2012 #680
So now you're saying colonizing spaces isn't impossible? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #686
This is childish. I will make the points I wish to make. I will not refute points only you have Romulox Aug 2012 #689
You really can't think it's both impossible and possible at the same time 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #693
And you're refuting point I haven't made again! My point was that no one is "stopping" you from Romulox Aug 2012 #673
fallacy a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #675
If you want other people to pay for it, you'll have to convince us. That's just how it works. Else Romulox Aug 2012 #679
Gee, dude... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #683
Projection 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #678
This is childish. Perhaps I'll just invent some nonsense, put quotes around, and demand you defend Romulox Aug 2012 #682
So . . . stay the course but with quotation marks? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #685
Quotation marks are a representation that someone said those exact words. You're being dishonest. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #691
If you insist. Why not clarify your stance. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #696
I'M a rugged individualist, and I have to a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #674
The "rugged individualist" stuff was something only the HAL guy mentioned. I just said we aren't Romulox Aug 2012 #677
Presented without endorsement caraher Aug 2012 #400
"Space colonization" = Randian excuse to ignore the environment and poor Liber T. Anjustis Aug 2012 #401
Such gleamingly fine logic a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #406
Not one of those people but, janlyn Aug 2012 #402
Maybe it's part of YOUR nature a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #407
one tiny issue BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #403
oh dear... Here we go a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #408
it's not *my favorite cause* BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #411
...sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #412
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #415
I seem to have touched a nerve... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #416
Um... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #421
no, the international financial cartel needs that money to extort more countries librechik Aug 2012 #404
Then we self-fund the project a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #409
meh, I'm one of those people who think robots can do the job better for the foreseeable future librechik Aug 2012 #414
okay then... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #417
yes--be sure to wear a lead cup--and don't start any long term relationships librechik Aug 2012 #419
librechik... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #420
right back atcha, jr! librechik Aug 2012 #422
Now I'm confused... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #423
Also... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #418
Why? Because we haven't f*cked up this planet enough? (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #405
Maybe some of us want to get away from the shit-slingers a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #410
You don't get to start a second planet until you clean up the first one... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #429
HEH a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #431
Who gets to decide who leaves and who has to stay? tama Aug 2012 #451
Therein lies the question... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #462
Bro, tama Aug 2012 #482
No such thing... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #484
Some of us dare to take a look tama Aug 2012 #443
Tama... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #457
I kinda like Socrates tama Aug 2012 #478
cool a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #480
Know thyself - gnothi seauton tama Aug 2012 #488
it's great a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #489
Anti-philosophical attitude tama Aug 2012 #503
Tama... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #518
Rhetorics aside tama Aug 2012 #528
This seems to be your thing a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #532
Apparently not XemaSab Sep 2012 #809
....but then I got high... jberryhill Aug 2012 #432
point? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #435
It's a song, Bob jberryhill Aug 2012 #445
Oh a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #458
I was going to colonize space, but I got high jberryhill Aug 2012 #461
In a weird sort of way... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #463
Thanks for the great thread. MyUncle Aug 2012 #438
We aim to please a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #441
Personally, I consider this a possible RW meme, "The elect are headed to a better place. Fuck Earth" patrice Aug 2012 #453
Never enough facepalms for comments like these. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #466
SO much of the comments against space travel a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #469
You forgot "I'm not personally interested in this, therefore it's evil." (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #476
okay... that one got by me a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #477
What parts of the words "Personally" and "possible" do you not understand & what you just patrice Aug 2012 #479
could you elucidate? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #481
Of course I could, but "sissy don't play your game." nt patrice Aug 2012 #486
??? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #487
Maybe we should stop "colonizing" things in general. Puregonzo1188 Aug 2012 #473
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #474
How about a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #475
Actually, there was a problem with the term 'space colony' back in the late 70s. LongTomH Aug 2012 #508
And tama Aug 2012 #511
don't worry this isn't going to happen Johonny Aug 2012 #510
Up to you a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #524
I work in this field you know Johonny Aug 2012 #540
Kind of the whole point is to disagree, until someone comes up a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #545
I think for any worth while expedition into space we would have to live at least 100+ years. And demosincebirth Aug 2012 #577
Demosincebirth a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #730
It's all great for the imagination and I think about it too. But for any deep space exportation, and demosincebirth Aug 2012 #785
well... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #787
Addendum... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #788
Naw, let's build one of these: kentauros Aug 2012 #797
EEP a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #798
I know. kentauros Aug 2012 #805
If I remember my readings correctly a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #806
I find our planet fascinating...every day. nt demosincebirth Aug 2012 #795
...and that's fine a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #800
I believe Paul Wellstone would beware of "Greeks" bearing "gifts." nt patrice Aug 2012 #483
How is this relevant? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #485
The militarization & weaponization of space: patrice Aug 2012 #627
Timeo danaos et dona ferentes tama Aug 2012 #504
Well, not all Greeks and not all gifts, just a warning to be wary of vehicles that can hide weapons. patrice Aug 2012 #512
Matrix tama Aug 2012 #522
he, he, "stuttering" . . . and therein lies a tale of those who can't/don't "speak" the "speech" patrice Aug 2012 #554
it's a bad sign a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #557
sez you. patrice Aug 2012 #568
right... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #570
Thanks, I was rather proud tama Aug 2012 #585
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #586
LOL tama Aug 2012 #592
Personally... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #597
"overly verbose ego-defense" tama Aug 2012 #604
Tama... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #608
I know tama Aug 2012 #610
Ma'am. Yes, Ma'am. a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #613
Consider changing that "erudition" to cognition and you might BEGIN, like Tama and I and Others, to patrice Aug 2012 #593
I'll stick with a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #596
Never agreed with Chomsky tama Aug 2012 #602
Had to look wiki tama Aug 2012 #600
One of the connotations of erudition a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #614
"No need to idolize them." tama Aug 2012 #652
I see two outcomes of an attempt to colonize Mars CubicleGuy Aug 2012 #497
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Aug 2012 #500
Why bring them back? LunaSea Aug 2012 #516
Bring me the Universe... sibelian Aug 2012 #507
and I'll have a cookie while doing it a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #533
Wow, this is a long thread. But I *have* to offer my 2 cents. Proles Aug 2012 #520
The window for colonizing any planet is closing.. LunaSea Aug 2012 #523
The British television series UFO, produced in 1970, Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #556
Both shows were interesting a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #558
+Billions and billions Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #561
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #562
If I had my way, colonizing the Solar System. Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #564
Gotta start somewhere... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #566
While I certainly advocate for the exploration of Mars, Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #574
I can go with that. a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #576
We'll certainly know more about Ceres in 2015 Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #579
Flying to Mars with chemical rockets is daff Kolesar Aug 2012 #578
the standard trip a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #583
Try Plasma Propulsion LongTomH Aug 2012 #601
Or go cheap, and build a non-nuke Orion a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #635
I Want to Live on the Moon and Snort an endless supply of... fascisthunter Aug 2012 #582
remember to cut it a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #584
oh? fascisthunter Aug 2012 #587
Pure Helium will kill you a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #588
LOL! I don't of course fascisthunter Aug 2012 #589
Dude... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #590
Robert Zubrin is an anti-environmentalist Randian McGee from Muskogee Aug 2012 #607
sources? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #609
We should be solving problems on Earth by now. Coyotl Aug 2012 #612
Facts not in evidence a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #615
How are you going to change the gravity on Mars? Coyotl Aug 2012 #620
Do you have a point to make? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #628
Life has evolved here on Earth for billions of years. This is our home. cpwm17 Aug 2012 #616
Okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #633
If some billionaire wants to have a really crappy (fun?) vacation to Mars, who's stopping him/her? cpwm17 Aug 2012 #646
It's a new frontier a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #648
No way! Earth First! Zorra Aug 2012 #624
WOW! Great screed a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #634
If we had just followed through with Reagan's Star Wars and weaponized space ... Jim__ Aug 2012 #625
??? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #637
The standard, tired "anything to do with space is military in nature" angle, I figured. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #751
Ah... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #752
You could probably simulate one of these threads with a pretty short perl script. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #755
Oh? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #758
A chat channel I hung out on awhile back had a really out-there gun nut... Posteritatis Aug 2012 #766
I remember dealing with a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #767
They had to get written up for that? Oy. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #769
It was a publicly run program a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #770
To be fair, in such a situation I wouldn't be shocked. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #772
My wife says a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #773
Wow, this has turned into one of the longest running threads I've seen here in a long time! LongTomH Aug 2012 #626
great thread! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #636
The L5 Society was absorbed (engulfed and devoured by, assimilated by) the National Space Institute LongTomH Aug 2012 #647
Interesting! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #649
You can get part of the story from the NSS website LongTomH Aug 2012 #655
LongTomH a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #656
Interesting. I'd love to read it sometime! LongTomH Aug 2012 #658
I am immediately intrigued. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #774
hmmm... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #775
Yes, this is true...and we could have cured hunger, provided shelter and education for the world Taverner Aug 2012 #654
Holy crap Odin, I think this is one of the biggest threads I've ever seen EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2012 #657
I say we go a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #659
Kind of like graywarrior's "I want to create a thread that never dies" thread, kentauros Aug 2012 #724
Cool! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #727
I like mass-drivers. kentauros Aug 2012 #729
Cool tune! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #783
I know how a rail gun works kentauros Aug 2012 #791
You would cancel the momentum a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #792
I thought as much on the momentum part. kentauros Aug 2012 #793
The idea I'm pushing, for the rocks a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #799
Okay, well, that idea is similar to another idea kentauros Aug 2012 #804
Whatever you guys and gals decide to do is going to be fine with me. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #665
Air-conditioning bill for our troops in the Middle East greater than the NASA budget. David Zephyr Aug 2012 #684
What I'm tired of tama Aug 2012 #706
I like the US military a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #710
And instead we are being told to bow our heads to the 'job creators' and arguing with people who ck4829 Aug 2012 #735
only 230 posts to go... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #771
Of course, the REAL number of posts to achieve is kentauros Aug 2012 #794
You have that wrong. It's the MILITARIZATION of Space. Remember "Star Wars"? Do you patrice Aug 2012 #776
Ummm... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #777
TOTALLY Wrong... Iggy Aug 2012 #802
pfft a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #803
Weak, Very Weak Iggy Sep 2012 #807
Well a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #808
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