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Tue Dec 13, 2011, 12:50 PM

150. This is what is sad or funny

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Actually the foreign press IS watching...

Consider this, the guardian, the observer and al Jazeera, for example...run live blogging of a port shut down. At the same time the American press goes out of it's way not to cover in a significant way.

This is global. Funny thing I can read Ha'Aretz and find out what Israelies want...it went off well before the US...but I cannot find what the local occupy wants from the local paper of record. Care to explain why this is the case?

I am covering them for local indie media, and I know why they were there yesterday. We even reported on it...shocking I know...them are part of the universe of facts. Like the rest of the local media I also reported on the port's owner's statement, which I dutifully transcribed.

But since I suspect you are reading the pretty conservative press of record, they were out there supporting the ILWU against the SSA ports, which has made working conditions hell, and tried to break the Union. You know who owns SSA Maritime? Goldman Sachs.

Now I watched MSM last night and for some reason why they were out there in the middle of a Pacific Storm was not quite reported. Don't you think the WHY helps to get it? For the record the Guardian and AJ blogs did cover that...as they say...cui bono?

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280 replies	Author	Time	Post
Occupy's tactics are hurting their message and the left [View all]	MellowDem	Dec 2011	OP
People said that about hippies in the 60's	The Straight Story	Dec 2011	#1
Hippies in the 60s...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#12
I don't know...I dig the Diggers (look them up)	deutsey	Dec 2011	#22
Attributing cultural or technological advances...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#39
But thankfully there have been people's movements that do represent and advance those views	deutsey	Dec 2011	#54
by hippies I think he means	unionworks	Dec 2011	#250
And the 60's culminated with Richard Nixon's election. That was the beginning	pnwmom	Dec 2011	#16
COINTELPRO, political assassinations, violent police crackdowns helped n/t	deutsey	Dec 2011	#23
I disagree	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#43
No. Post Kennedy assassination there was the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#47
True, but these advances also intensified a reaction	deutsey	Dec 2011	#55
All true...	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#56
Nixon was forced to sign the Clean Water Act because the Democrats in Congress	tabasco	Dec 2011	#69
At least Nixon understood economics better than today's pols & how it related to national security.	ieoeja	Dec 2011	#90
He still didn't have to sign it. We have the process for a purpose. Make them do it.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#168
LOL.	tabasco	Dec 2011	#261
Yes, he did. Nobody issues a veto they know will be overridden just for shits and giggles.	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#262
Horseshit, we are talking the Constitution and life and liberty here.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#277
inertia.	ret5hd	Dec 2011	#224
The only progressive president I can remember	nineteen50	Dec 2011	#207
See post# 69	Old and In the Way	Dec 2011	#242
Ummm, what tactics?	onlyadream	Dec 2011	#2
Blocking the ports...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#20
Oops... I haven't been paying attention. Ty , nt	onlyadream	Dec 2011	#74
You are drinking the Kool-Aid, the Fox and multinational Kool-Aid.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#153
^^what JD said ~nt	99th_Monkey	Dec 2011	#178
Someone on my Facebook just commented on the Port shutdowns in Oregon	Beavker	Dec 2011	#192
I wonder what fox would have said about	nineteen50	Dec 2011	#209
Precisely.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#233
+1	Beavker	Dec 2011	#280
+2 eom	tledford	Dec 2011	#228
With all respect, you are blubbering. First of all OWS has a 56% popularity.	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#194
Something like knitting tea cozies for democracy...	MedicalAdmin	Dec 2011	#234
Can you cite a source fo rthe 56% popularity? I have read that support has dropped in recent days	BoWanZi	Dec 2011	#238
Opposition grows to Occupy's port shutdown plan	pintobean	Dec 2011	#3
Occupy stated intention is NOT JUST the economic divide	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#13
I know what's in my contract.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#36
Then why would you assume that they'd oppenly say	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#48
I don't need to read between the lines	pintobean	Dec 2011	#51
I have... the bubble you are living in	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#52
Yeah	pintobean	Dec 2011	#57
Which pols, which set of pols are you going to use?	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#58
Taking the pulse of the average Joe in 1930	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2011	#73
That is really uncalled for.	ohheckyeah	Dec 2011	#106
I don't see how the two are related.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#120
The cheap camera and notebook comment was nothing	ohheckyeah	Dec 2011	#127
That's how she has described them.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#135
LOL....like you weren't	ohheckyeah	Dec 2011	#226
I didn't claim otherwise.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#231
I hope you read the update on kit	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#269
I do not despise the occupiers	pintobean	Dec 2011	#273
I sure could not tell from your posts	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#274
You could if you wanted to.	pintobean	Dec 2011	#275
Maybe you are writing different posts	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#279
Consider the photos of what police did to Scott Olsen, for example.	Occulus	Dec 2011	#267
What did I reveal?	pintobean	Dec 2011	#272
By the way	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#128
And they are the ones who will lose their homes and do nothing.	aquart	Dec 2011	#60
+1	dionysus	Dec 2011	#139
What methods do you think we should use to draw the attention of the busy public	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#163
I have met the type of person you speak of and sadly they are union members who do not understand...	unapatriciated	Dec 2011	#220
This post was hidden by jury decision.	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#195
It's nothing more than an article	pintobean	Dec 2011	#219
I'm not sure which unions see this as disruptive or unnecessary but....	unapatriciated	Dec 2011	#214
What should they do?	HeyHeymymy	Dec 2011	#4
"Bank transfer day" was awesome. More like that please! n/t	think	Dec 2011	#21
Honestly?	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#24
My politically challenged coworker main comments	HeyHeymymy	Dec 2011	#34
You mean the trash that was not trash	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#49
I visited Occupy LA. It was clean. There were port-a-potties.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#164
Thank you for your concern.	aquart	Dec 2011	#62
This nation is not conservative.	ProfessionalLeftist	Dec 2011	#71
Sorry, but no. You should read some polls about political self-identity.	TheWraith	Dec 2011	#263
It's not a political moverment.....	Jello Biafra	Dec 2011	#101
You are poorly informed about the Occupy Movement	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#199
+10000000000000000000000000 eom	tledford	Dec 2011	#232
"There is no real organization to Occupy yet"	Occulus	Dec 2011	#270
No, they aren't	izquierdista	Dec 2011	#5
+1 The more OWS continues developing and (importantly) acting out a counter-narrative	deutsey	Dec 2011	#15
People aren't getting OWS...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#27
I find no problem with how OWS is behaving or trying to	shraby	Dec 2011	#37
What we on the left think...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#41
For 50+ years the reactionary right shoved the narrative toward their side...	Luminous Animal	Dec 2011	#46
Amen to that	Aerows	Dec 2011	#78
two things	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#50
+1	Aerows	Dec 2011	#82
It's not just conservative	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#200
"Thank Gid for the internet."	Occulus	Dec 2011	#271
Which polls? Must be ones that Grover Norquist makes up'	wilsonbooks	Dec 2011	#258
MellowDem, have you actually visited an Occupy site?	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#166
Occupy is what it is	pscot	Dec 2011	#208
Would that be more amateurish than what was done up to that point?	nineteen50	Dec 2011	#212
FAIL.	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#6
Lame	pintobean	Dec 2011	#8
Let me offer as much evidence as you did:	xchrom	Dec 2011	#7
I added a link. nt	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#29
Your link doesn't support your opinions.	LooseWilly	Dec 2011	#245
We can't expect OWS to do everything on their own	arcane1	Dec 2011	#9
Disagree	quinnox	Dec 2011	#10
The majority of Americans are not on the left...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#31
the numbers are 70% for single payer/real public option, 70% for Medicare and Social Security	MisterP	Dec 2011	#45
No it isn't	Aerows	Dec 2011	#84
This nasty OP has shown me that I will survive the jurors. Peace.	WingDinger	Dec 2011	#11
What was nasty about it? nt.	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#32
What tactics? I hope they go even further than shutting down ports, if that was what you were	sadge goddess	Dec 2011	#14
You can't shut down the country...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#35
Welcome to DU	Aerows	Dec 2011	#85
I totally agree with shutting down the country.	glowing	Dec 2011	#197
Your "concern" is noted.	Odin2005	Dec 2011	#17
Exactly, Odin2005 n/t	Aerows	Dec 2011	#88
What tactics?	Toucano	Dec 2011	#18
Poppycock	Bluenorthwest	Dec 2011	#19
Sigh. It's not at all "pretty indisputable"	Matariki	Dec 2011	#25
I was at the port of Tacoma	Generic Other	Dec 2011	#65
So go do it "right"...	SomethingFishy	Dec 2011	#26
Indeed!	Aerows	Dec 2011	#89
And what tactic is that? Would they even be noticed without having "occupied"?	mmonk	Dec 2011	#28
When I click my ruby slippers together, there eventually appears a magical hide thread function...	Fire Walk With Me	Dec 2011	#30
This post was hidden by jury decision.	themadstork	Dec 2011	#33
The Tea Party now has more support...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#38
That's rich	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#44
Bingo!	kenfrequed	Dec 2011	#87
The real story is in the cross tabs	hootinholler	Dec 2011	#109
The problem with these "self identification" polls is that group	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#167
Hammer meet nail head n/t	Aerows	Dec 2011	#91
That's actually in line...	MellowDem	Dec 2011	#160
But the states in which the shut-up-the-ports movement took place	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#171
that's bullshit. Americans are quite liberal -- they just don't call themselves that	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#202
The problem I have with Occupy	Mosaic	Dec 2011	#40
It moved on from Adbusters a while ago	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#63
Seriously Nadin...	Bragi	Dec 2011	#75
Sometimes you have to plow on	Aerows	Dec 2011	#93
True, but you can also change tactics	Bragi	Dec 2011	#96
Our nation is too polarized	Aerows	Dec 2011	#98
No disagreement on that	Bragi	Dec 2011	#99
" However, like most people"	Aerows	Dec 2011	#103
Polls backs up my point	Bragi	Dec 2011	#108
Okay	Aerows	Dec 2011	#114
My mistake	Bragi	Dec 2011	#124
We are	Aerows	Dec 2011	#126
Who said anything about "giving up"	Bragi	Dec 2011	#134
Getting distinctly political	Aerows	Dec 2011	#145
"Occupy" started with tents. It is now occupying a lot more.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#175
Don't tell that to me	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#112
Regardless	Aerows	Dec 2011	#116
Polls go up, they go down	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#121
Yeah, like right after Day 1 nt	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#203
If you want to find an anarchistic movement, look to the Chicago School of Economics,	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#172
Anarcho-syndicalism	Mosaic	Dec 2011	#253
I am more familiar with Chomsky's work in linguistics than with his work in politics.	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#259
Maybe, maybe not	MFrohike	Dec 2011	#42
Exactly, and it's not just about Occupy...	JHB	Dec 2011	#100
Exactly what 'left' do you think OWS is hurting? As far as I'm concerned, the	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#53
if you don't like it, get down to the GAs and make you suggestions	dana_b	Dec 2011	#59
What if the people who dominate the GA's are the problem? /nt	Bragi	Dec 2011	#79
And what if people not dominating the GA's are the problem?	Aerows	Dec 2011	#94
Oh, you mean like all the Occupiers?	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#205
There is no left in the US.	David__77	Dec 2011	#61
LEFT??? If you don't like these types of tactics	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#64
Nonsense	Bragi	Dec 2011	#81
You are correct, I'll be more specific	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#155
Yes this is what militant labor does. And as an historian	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#170
Yup	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#181
You guys are thrilling me	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#206
I love DU3	Union Scribe	Dec 2011	#66
If Fox news doesn't support it then the gullible masses won't	Rosa Luxemburg	Dec 2011	#67
So, OWS is supposed to be watching the polls and steering its actions accordingly...	AntiFascist	Dec 2011	#68
No, the whole world is NOT watching	Bragi	Dec 2011	#83
You aren't	Aerows	Dec 2011	#95
This is what is sad or funny	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#150
Very good points. The corporate media presstitutes are deliberately minimizing Occupy.	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#158
Thanks, Nadin	JDPriestly	Dec 2011	#177
Well, you obviously aren't watching because the tactics are in fact evolving.	AntiFascist	Dec 2011	#189
good point	marions ghost	Dec 2011	#169
Got anything more recent than a month-old poll to indicate OWS losing support?	MilesColtrane	Dec 2011	#70
Just this...	Bragi	Dec 2011	#92
"The port shutdown was an over-reaching bust." - I have to take issue with that, as	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#115
+1 The 1% and their mouthpieces are out in force and are desperate to destroy the Occupy movement.	Zorra	Dec 2011	#122
Yes, that must be it!	Bragi	Dec 2011	#125
You seem to want it to fail	Aerows	Dec 2011	#131
Yes, it does seem that way. The question arises:	Zorra	Dec 2011	#147
that's rather presumptuous. it seems to me, that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with OWS tactics here	dionysus	Dec 2011	#165
I concur with your comments.	MADem	Dec 2011	#183
+1 This exactly nt	Veruca Salt	Dec 2011	#198
Six of one, half a dozen of the other...	LanternWaste	Dec 2011	#157
You wrote:	Bragi	Dec 2011	#129
It's not an assumption that is difficult to arrive at	Aerows	Dec 2011	#133
How could I be clearer?	Bragi	Dec 2011	#137
Any suggestions?	Aerows	Dec 2011	#140
LOL! Relabeling, are we? Start your own "99% Movement".	Zorra	Dec 2011	#148
Yes, I would "rebrand" it if I could	Bragi	Dec 2011	#149
I think, for the most part,	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#213
Fair point	Bragi	Dec 2011	#218
Yes. The "tactic" was used to popularize the concept. It worked for a bit, then became stale.	MADem	Dec 2011	#255
In retrospect, my comment about "your agenda" does strike me as	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#136
Thanks for that!	Bragi	Dec 2011	#138
CU is pretty awesome :)	Aerows	Dec 2011	#142
let's see if they can pull it off. you need tens of millions of people to pull off a general strike,	dionysus	Dec 2011	#159
I think it is closer than we dared dream of	Aerows	Dec 2011	#179
time will tell, let's see.	dionysus	Dec 2011	#188
People are pissed and it isn't going away because 'it doesn't poll well'.	Edweird	Dec 2011	#72
+1 n/t	Aerows	Dec 2011	#77
People are always going to complain about protestors	Aerows	Dec 2011	#76
The MSM will always spin protests for their advantage	randr	Dec 2011	#80
The demands are there	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#152
Baloney.	Orsino	Dec 2011	#86
So show us all how to do it better.	Gold Metal Flake	Dec 2011	#97
Here's a suggestion	Bragi	Dec 2011	#105
These are excellent ideas. Are you anywhere near an Occupy encampment?	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2011	#118
I was addressing the OP, but since you popped into the convo...	Gold Metal Flake	Dec 2011	#119
Great. Don't disagree at all..........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#146
Here's a suggestion from me	Bragi	Dec 2011	#151
Yes and that was the post I asked about.........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#176
No, I don't think the rulers will back off	Bragi	Dec 2011	#186
What you understand as political	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#210
Well as nadin has said numerous times, Occupy seems to be able	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2011	#266
I thought OWS was pretty much over?	snooper2	Dec 2011	#102
How many times has Bill O'Reilly proclaimed the death of the Occupy movement now?	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#104
I didn't hear anything about it	snooper2	Dec 2011	#107
Here's another story. Multiple ports got shut down. It was awesome!	backscatter712	Dec 2011	#110
This isn't a popularity contest - it's about doing what's right - and changing the world	slay	Dec 2011	#111
Taking Root in Unlikely Soil, Occupy Florida Gains Momentum	xchrom	Dec 2011	#113
Occupy goes to Florida in December?...nt	SidDithers	Dec 2011	#141
OMG - I think that's my favorite Occupy sign of all time	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#215
PPP is a Third Way polling company owned by a 1% businessman. nt	Zorra	Dec 2011	#117
+1	slay	Dec 2011	#161
+1,,, I wish people would do a little research on the	golddigger	Dec 2011	#243
I love some of DU3's new features. Very revealing... nt	stillwaiting	Dec 2011	#123
incredible amount of BS	spanone	Dec 2011	#130
sure	fascisthunter	Dec 2011	#132
The Occupy Movement has a great message	boxman15	Dec 2011	#143
Notice that no labor leader	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#154
I hope you'll read the rest of this thread	Remember Me	Dec 2011	#216
I'm appalled by the media's coverage of the OWS movement.	boxman15	Dec 2011	#256
Thank you for your concern.	KamaAina	Dec 2011	#144
i don't know about hurting their message or, not, but reading this thread... if you don't think	dionysus	Dec 2011	#156
Yes, I've read through the entire thread, and I get that sense as well. Either support OWS 100% -	SlimJimmy	Dec 2011	#173
ironically, that kind of stuff is pretty counter productive to growing the movement, isn't it?	dionysus	Dec 2011	#174
Yes, yes it is.	SlimJimmy	Dec 2011	#182
Want to see something amusing?	pintobean	Dec 2011	#185
Yep, just caught that. I normally don't check to see who has reccd a thread,	SlimJimmy	Dec 2011	#254
OWS is fine by me. NT	Vincardog	Dec 2011	#162
What a steaming pile of horseshit (n/t)	CrawlingChaos	Dec 2011	#180
Bullpuckey!	ananda	Dec 2011	#184
Nonsense	marions ghost	Dec 2011	#187
Give me a gung ho and radicalized 30% over any tepid and conflicted majority, no matter how large.	TheKentuckian	Dec 2011	#190
Those concern trolls were saying the same thing during the Civil Rights Movement	alp227	Dec 2011	#191
Stop pussy-footing	JEB	Dec 2011	#193
What happened to the unrec feature. This OP is hogwash. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2011	#196
Thankfully it's dead.	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#201
Ah, yes, but we still have the rec feature	pintobean	Dec 2011	#211
what a shock.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2011	#223
um yeah..I know what ya mean..	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2011	#237
Don't agree? Then it must be hogwash.	randome	Dec 2011	#204
OWS popularity seems pretty good to me.	blackspade	Dec 2011	#217
Unrec	CJCRANE	Dec 2011	#221
Occupying public parks is exactly what put OWS on the map and in play.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2011	#222
That's not important..What great movement was EVER popular in its early days?	Douglas Carpenter	Dec 2011	#225
Damn Hippies!!!!	bvar22	Dec 2011	#227
Hmmmm.	bvar22	Dec 2011	#229
No.	Iggo	Dec 2011	#230
Bullshit!	karenbe111	Dec 2011	#235
It does make you wonder!	Wind Dancer	Dec 2011	#236
It's time to "Occupy" the ballot box.	jaysunb	Dec 2011	#239
the media's portrayal of them have made them less popular with the American people	SemperEadem	Dec 2011	#240
Bullshit! Rightwing, teabagger and WS propaganda poll. I can't believe people would...	golddigger	Dec 2011	#241
Archaeology issue Jan/Feb2012 recalls press from 1900s-sounds EXACTLY LIKE YOU	StarsInHerHair	Dec 2011	#244
I doubt it.	ozone_man	Dec 2011	#246
Call the Waambulance n/t	unionworks	Dec 2011	#247
Ha! You hope ....	Bryn	Dec 2011	#248
Actually, that cartoon shows exactly what is wrong with OWS.	randome	Dec 2011	#249
Not directed at anyone here.... I was talking about 'idiots' who are	Bryn	Dec 2011	#257
Then I apologize about the 'idiots' part of my response.	randome	Dec 2011	#260
AMEN BROTHER (OR SISTER)	johncoby2	Dec 2011	#251
I dsiagree. the movement is growing. Support is growing.	robinlynne	Dec 2011	#252
IT TAKES A PILLAGE .... on Amy Goodman this morning...	IcyPeas	Dec 2011	#264
the idiots that are part of the 99%	OccupyIdiots	Dec 2011	#265
The Occupy movement has been successful because they represent the 99%. A few former tea partiers,	applegrove	Dec 2011	#268
bullshit. nt	bowens43	Dec 2011	#276
With all due respect	Terry in Austin	Dec 2011	#278

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