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Fri Aug 24, 2012, 06:58 PM

229. So Obama is sitting in the Oval Office one day

when he hears on the TV that the US is seeking Assange's extradition and his head snaps up from his reading and he says, "Wait! What?"

Panetta looks at him and says, "Just let it go, boss. Just let it go."

woooo!

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So let me see if I understand the 2 biggest hot button topics on DU [View all]	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	OP
I have to admit this conflation attempt is more creative than most.	2ndAmForComputers	Aug 2012	#1
The Assange situation has shown that progressives have a rape problem, too,	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#4
So, this is what this thread is about.	2ndAmForComputers	Aug 2012	#7
Only if that is what is desired.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#13
FYI	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#15
interesting facet to add to the conversation	DonRedwood	Aug 2012	#54
You are correct	loyalsister	Aug 2012	#17
+1. Rape is rape. Even if the accused is a DU hero. nt	ecstatic	Aug 2012	#63
+2. That's the problem, he's a "DU Hero", so now they have to try & defend the indefensible.	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2012	#185
Do we get to try him first?	Aerows	Aug 2012	#206
The Assange case has shown that some Progressives have a problem with due	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#69
Between weed and copyright violations, I have a really hard time believing most DUers give	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#71
Gasp. The horrors.	2ndAmForComputers	Aug 2012	#152
I have no problems with people getting high and stealing shit,	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#160
You mean people here are insufficiently enthusiastic about imprisoning pot smokers?	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#153
I think you are misinterpreting my post.	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#159
I don't do either, but I know a bad law when I see one.	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#161
So, are you saying you don't really care about rule of law?	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#162
Do you think the State of Texas was right when it was throwing gay ppl. in jail for consensual sex?	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#163
I have already plainly stated that I do not care about rule of law.	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#168
And you make no distinction between various laws?	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#175
I think each of us should determine for ourselves	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#178
Okay, well	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#179
Kudos for stating this plainly	Aerows	Aug 2012	#197
I am amazed by the common lack of understanding between the concepts	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#215
Of course I am unwilling to acknowledge an objective distinction between laws.	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#214
Actually there are charges, in accordance with swedish law.	Agnosticsherbet	Aug 2012	#190
From your article, he has not been charged.	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#191
Many people here, especially from the U.S. confuse U.S. and Swedish law.	Agnosticsherbet	Aug 2012	#194
"When people say, he has not been charged, they seem to use this..."	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#198
Dug.	Agnosticsherbet	Aug 2012	#200
Nah, Not really. I got your point.	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#202
All-or-nothing thinking sucks.	2ndAmForComputers	Aug 2012	#165
By definition, rule of law is all-or-nothing thinking.	ZombieHorde	Aug 2012	#169
Assange doesn't care about anyone but himself.	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#77
Well that's a substantive comment. It assumes first of all that all the	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#83
Amen and +1	Aerows	Aug 2012	#205
+100	Cleita	Aug 2012	#147
Sadly, rape is a human problem	etherealtruth	Aug 2012	#137
Well, yes, that would be wrong. But you don't think	DirkGently	Aug 2012	#144
You really should be ashamed of yourself	Aerows	Aug 2012	#195
LOL! How desperate do you have to be to try to link Assange to Akin?	Poll_Blind	Aug 2012	#2
How blind do you have to be not to see the similarity in people's defenses of the two?	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#3
You, and Rush: "Limbaugh: Liberals Would “Help A Thousand Rapists” To Free “One America-Hater”"	Zorra	Aug 2012	#22
Thanks for that info about Limbaugh, Zorra..	KoKo	Aug 2012	#26
My pleasure, KoKo. I'm so tired of the constant posting of anti-Progressive RW talking points at DU.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#28
Don't expect anything different	Aerows	Aug 2012	#196
What did I say that you are specifically claiming is untrue?	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#65
Um, how about you saying "progressives have a rape problem" for starters?	Zorra	Aug 2012	#95
I am saying that there are people who do not understand rape	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#131
Who are these people? I too am sick of this attempt, rather than deal with	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#149
PNWMOM	Aerows	Aug 2012	#201
No, I'm saying that the details of criminal rape law aren't something taught	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#207
There are a bunch of women	Aerows	Aug 2012	#199
There are people here who don't understand that it's rape if you penetrate an	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#209
if you don't want to be linked to limbaugh and his supporters..	frylock	Aug 2012	#128
You nailed it, Zorra. I saw the name of post and knew before I read it what it would say.	October	Aug 2012	#81
pwnmom has almost 40,000 posts. How is pwnmom a troll?	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#91
I believe that would be the definition	mythology	Aug 2012	#141
We have a few that do damage control for the Republican party	Aerows	Aug 2012	#203
"There are many people"	October	Aug 2012	#80
Hogwash.	99Forever	Aug 2012	#171
Which of the 2 positions are misrepresented?	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#11
I am wondering if it	HappyMe	Aug 2012	#5
That's the point - it is Assange	TBF	Aug 2012	#6
Conspiracy trolls as well.	HappyMe	Aug 2012	#9
The U.S. Attorney General's words in 2010:	ronnie624	Aug 2012	#20
Are you saying established progressive activists in Sweden	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#23
I try not to make claims I can't support with evidence.	ronnie624	Aug 2012	#30
Define, "pulled out all the stops"	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#35
As far as I'm concerned,	ronnie624	Aug 2012	#38
Your quotes were from AG Holder. He's DoJ, not CIA	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#42
Holder speaks for the existing power structure, as would the director of the CIA.	ronnie624	Aug 2012	#55
"existing power structure"	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#70
Right,	ronnie624	Aug 2012	#75
Only to those who make celebrities out of potential rapists	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#84
Potential rapists?	GeorgeGist	Aug 2012	#151
Wrong again.	99Forever	Aug 2012	#174
That's "smart GIRL" to you.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#177
It ain't Sweden that's the problem, lady	99Forever	Aug 2012	#187
What lie?	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#208
When aren't they?	2ndAmForComputers	Aug 2012	#10
If someone was setting him up, wouldn't they have given the women much better stories?	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#16
You haven't even heard their stories yet,	ronnie624	Aug 2012	#36
"Poor translation" comes up a lot in those threads where Hugo Chavez	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#46
I didn't say it was a poor translation.	ronnie624	Aug 2012	#56
I think you're hitting all the talking points today ...	TBF	Aug 2012	#60
'could be'. That's the difference there.	randome	Aug 2012	#49
lol - yeah I'm seeing "steadfastly objective" here	TBF	Aug 2012	#61
So if he had not done these things and it was just some bloke who'd happened to get to London	treestar	Aug 2012	#62
If he were "just some bloke" we wouldn't be	TBF	Aug 2012	#64
Right. Because he would have been picked up in Sweden for questioning	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#67
I am not one to feed into conspiracy theories normally -	TBF	Aug 2012	#85
If this was a set-up why didn't they give the two women better stories?	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#89
lol - it doesn't matter if the story is good	TBF	Aug 2012	#97
Your're claiming 2 established female progressives are really paid whores for the PTB?	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#103
lol at your characterization -	TBF	Aug 2012	#105
You claim they are deliberately telling stories they know to be false to discredit Assange	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#109
I didn't say anything about your use of the word "whore" - but	TBF	Aug 2012	#116
Wait a minute.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#121
If they were setting him up, why didn't they give the women better stories?	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#66
The stories are very messy, if you take the trouble to actually	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#78
So you're suspicious because you are clueless about the Swedish legal system.	jeff47	Aug 2012	#155
It's simpler than that	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Aug 2012	#8
+100	HappyMe	Aug 2012	#14
You got it. n/t	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#18
Excellent point. DU as ever is a microcosm.	Robb	Aug 2012	#21
Ain't that the truth? n/t	X_Digger	Aug 2012	#25
Wow, that's going to make a lasting impression	slackmaster	Aug 2012	#39
I don't pull punches	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Aug 2012	#43
"Wow, that's going to leave a mark"	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#44
I haven't had coffee yet. I'll tone it down.	slackmaster	Aug 2012	#52
Friends don't let friend post without coffee	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#72
Bingo	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2012	#57
Oh, yes....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Aug 2012	#58
Bullshit. Plenty of people LOUDLY proclaim Obama has assassinated American citizens	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#74
You sort of missed the mark there.	Robb	Aug 2012	#82
Someone's missed their mark and its not me....	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#87
So we're NOT making excuses for Assange?	Robb	Aug 2012	#88
Tiresome, disingenuous and a repetitive slam to DUers who read the situation differently than you	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#99
And those who don't support him now should delight in	Robb	Aug 2012	#100
Using the exact same verbage as RW media shills?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#107
This message was self-deleted by its author	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2012	#111
Uhm, 7 years. I joined in 2005 nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#115
My apologies.	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2012	#122
Not any more than "we" are convicting him because "we" hate Wikileaks.	DirkGently	Aug 2012	#148
That is not his view. Please provide evidence that it is his view	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#123
Osama bin Laden was an American citizen?	Son of Gob	Aug 2012	#106
To be fair I think he was refering to Awlaki and others; not UBL	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#113
No, he named 3 American citizens Obama assassinated	Son of Gob	Aug 2012	#117
I think post 118 is a fair and honest clarification	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#120
Clarified in 118, I meant to say Americans and non-Americans but if you'd like I'll go make an edit	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#126
Yep, criminal actions of killing Osama bin Laden	Son of Gob	Aug 2012	#127
"She". And thank you, yes, it was a general reference both to extra judicial assassinations of both	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#118
Nailed it...	SidDithers	Aug 2012	#124
No. If you disagree with the reason, it's an "excuse"; if you agree, it's an "explanation", because	patrice	Aug 2012	#176
The hypocrisy is a little mind boggling. n/t	MadrasT	Aug 2012	#12
Except that the two issues have only very superficial similarities and your post is a uber strawman.	redgreenandblue	Aug 2012	#19
A strawman argument relies on mischaracterizing an opponent's argument	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#24
Two points:	redgreenandblue	Aug 2012	#29
But those making excuses for Assange have non interest in discerning if a rape has been committed	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#37
I'd say that most of the fervor surrounding these claims	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#68
because supporting transparency in govt equals hero worship..	frylock	Aug 2012	#129
No, ignoring sexual assaults	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#130
and as soon as those women state that they were sexually asaulted..	frylock	Aug 2012	#133
Their lawyer said in June that they want the criminal investigation	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#134
i'm afraid that you're going to have to present evidence of that..	frylock	Aug 2012	#136
No problem.	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#138
...	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#140
you posting that it is a strawman is a strawman	snooper2	Aug 2012	#32
+1 Common sense	Harmony Blue	Aug 2012	#59
Please don't conflate all support for Assange	redqueen	Aug 2012	#27
+1	redgreenandblue	Aug 2012	#33
I decline to see Obama in such nefarious terms.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#40
I also don't conflate Obama with America. nt	redqueen	Aug 2012	#41
He's the president, the Chief Executive.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#45
In many ways Obama is an impotent passive observer.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#92
Then tell me who can start or stop an extradition request.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#93
Talk about strawman!	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#166
Yes. The Empire.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#173
When are you going to figure out the world doesn't revolve	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#204
What utter tripe	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#210
Your point upthread really impresses me...	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#212
You are really confused.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#217
Who said anything about a shadowy cabal?	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#224
Everytime you complain about my characterizing your argument as an appeal to shadow governments	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#225
The difference is I don't mystify "shadow government."	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#227
So Obama is sitting in the Oval Office one day	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#229
Your fantasy versions are of little concern...	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#235
How is he being singled out for unfair treatment, exactly?	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#47
The whole case is a total legal disaster that cannot be justifiably prosecuted.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#98
No, it isn't.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#101
Could you post a source, or did you just make up the "pursuant to prosecution" part	Zorra	Aug 2012	#170
...	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#172
OMG! It's like a Monte Python skit. He's not charged, and Sweden is not really prosecuting him,	Zorra	Aug 2012	#181
The court can only judge whether the warrant is valid...	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#184
I know, but they said he did it. Slip of the tongue, or is someone presumed guilty before being	Zorra	Aug 2012	#186
It's not just that they said he did it, he said he did it.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#188
"if fairly and accurately described"	reorg	Aug 2012	#192
Apparently you have comprehension problems	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#211
LOL, right back atcha	reorg	Aug 2012	#213
Go here:	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#219
So?	reorg	Aug 2012	#220
Whether such a case exists or whether a trial will result in conviction is not at issue.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#221
at issue is your blatantly false claim that Assange "accepted the description	reorg	Aug 2012	#228
I linked you to the appeal judgement	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#230
your false claim is not supported anywhere in the linked appeal judgement	reorg	Aug 2012	#231
Except he does.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#232
This is getting boring, you make false claims, cannot support them	reorg	Aug 2012	#233
That context was examined and found to still constitute grounds for a charge of rape...	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#234
Oh, yeah. BTW, that does not prove that the case will/can be prosecuted.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#189
All depends on who's ox is getting gored.	deaniac21	Aug 2012	#31
Interesting choice of words!	randome	Aug 2012	#51
pubic hair and circumcision n/t	Enrique	Aug 2012	#34
I imagine there are many people who believe	LanternWaste	Aug 2012	#48
Rape is a rape and it is a violent crime against women. Yet, some of those	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#73
WHY? Indeed! n/t	KoKo	Aug 2012	#143
Quick! Look over there!!!	jeff47	Aug 2012	#156
Since we have closed Gitmo and left Afghanistan, what else can we argue about?	AngryAmish	Aug 2012	#50
no no no...have you ever done a post about nuclear power?	DonRedwood	Aug 2012	#53
Interesting point	Renew Deal	Aug 2012	#76
You forgot pubic shaving.	undeterred	Aug 2012	#79
I am appalled when ANYBODY parses the definition of rape.	AtomicKitten	Aug 2012	#86
Yes, we are all appalled when charges of misdemeanors are turned into charges	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#94
Parse away. Ugh.	AtomicKitten	Aug 2012	#96
What does have to do with my comment?	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#108
Better question: What does your comment have to do with the OP?	AtomicKitten	Aug 2012	#110
+1000	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2012	#112
Rape is not the subject of this discussion?	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#114
Staying on point would require defending the point	jeff47	Aug 2012	#158
+1000	dionysus	Aug 2012	#154
+1.	HiPointDem	Aug 2012	#104
Thread win, hands down.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#119
Sure	Bobbie Jo	Aug 2012	#150
Ouch. That'll leave a mark.	WilliamPitt	Aug 2012	#90
I appreciate your attempt to marginalize complex scenarios by oversimplifying them	LaydeeBug	Aug 2012	#102
The hot button topic regarding Assange...	AntiFascist	Aug 2012	#125
We don't have any evidence of CIA Ops....but,	KoKo	Aug 2012	#132
Speaking of the JFK assassination, there's this from RawStory...	AntiFascist	Aug 2012	#135
Trying to read everything coming out...and parsing betwen the two or three sides..	KoKo	Aug 2012	#139
If they were behaving like in a bond movie	jeff47	Aug 2012	#157
At least it would make for a good mini-series or cable production....	AntiFascist	Aug 2012	#167
My enlisted 19 year old niece was raped by a US soldier while stationed in Germany.	cr8tvlde	Aug 2012	#142
My humblest sympathy	Karmasue	Aug 2012	#164
!!! :-((( for your niece & +++ for this post. You are right, we don't KNOW.	patrice	Aug 2012	#180
Liberate us sexually so they won't have it available to divide and distract us.	Fire Walk With Me	Aug 2012	#145
Best comment of the day today.	Cleita	Aug 2012	#146
My first impulse is to always distrust what a government (or cop, or other power holder) has to say	eilen	Aug 2012	#182
i took note of that myself. nt	seabeyond	Aug 2012	#183
Sexual Violation isn't a game	Aerows	Aug 2012	#193
No, it isn't a game which is why	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#218
The last few days around here have certainly been surreal.	cemaphonic	Aug 2012	#216
This would make an excellent OP.	Robb	Aug 2012	#222
Excellent point...	AntiFascist	Aug 2012	#223
Republicans can create MIILLIONS of jobs	HockeyMom	Aug 2012	#226
That's about it. "Women lie about rape" pretty much sums it up. nt	Honeycombe8	Aug 2012	#236

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