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In reply to the discussion: Can someone explain to me what Julian Assange has been charged with in the US [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)77. Manning has been charged with crimes. There is no GJ necessary AFTER
someone has been charged. The GJ is for Assange. Manning is past that stage.
What if they charge him with information theft, based on his giving advice to Manning on how to break the password codes
If you read the chat logs with Manning you would know that Manning was an expert and needed no advice from anyone on how to break password codes. He was an Intelligence Analyst and was very, very good at his job.
He had complete access to all those files, a matter that has yet to be investigated. Because if anyone is at fault here, and this has been raised many times, it was the shocking lack of security that made it so easy for anyone who worked there as Manning did, to access all those files. But no one has been held accountable for that.
If they charge him with that, they will simply look ridiculous. Manning, before he was arrested, while talking on the chat logs explained how he accessed the material before he ever contacted Wikileaks.
As for trying to accuse a News Organization of stealing the info passed on to them by Whistle Blowers, if they try that, then they will have to charge every Journalist in the country also. A fact that has been pointed out many times and of which they are aware according to reports. 'We will run up against the 1st Amendment, this is going to be very difficult'.
Joe Lieberman otoh, believes they SHOULD 'investigate the NYT and WAPO, La Monde, Der Spiegel and every other newspaper who published the same material. What a chilling thing for a US Senator to even think, let alone say publicly for all the world to hear.
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Can someone explain to me what Julian Assange has been charged with in the US [View all]
WonderGrunion
Aug 2012
OP
Assange's US attorney has seen the Grand Jury Documents which was seated by the DOJ to
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#16
Odd that South American foreign ministers would buy into a conspiracy theory...
AntiFascist
Aug 2012
#42
Is there any reason why there is a Grand Jury seated by the DOJ which is being asked to indict
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#43
Show me the link from a reputable source showing this and I'll be happy to discuss this.
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#54
I just looked at the first one again, and it's just a rehash of Assange's claims.
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#66
Have you read any of the leaked Stratfor emails? It was revealed in those leaks that a sealed
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#68
The only Grand Jury I've heard of is investigating Manning. They have to prove his connection
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#50
You are wrong. The GJ in Virginia was seated for the purpose of indicting Assange on Espionage
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#70
How do we know these emails are genuine? Do we have anything beyond Assange's say-so?
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#73
What else are they going to say? Notice, he says 'may have been'. Are you really denying
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#75
It would have been if it had put Conyers' comments in context. Conyers was actually
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#44
If you had read the CIA memos leaked to Wikileaks & published by them on their site you would
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#47
They're not going to blast him with a Hellfire from a Predator - he's in the middle of London!
backscatter712
Aug 2012
#57
My point is, I don't think anyone is seriously looking at making a case against Assange
WonderGrunion
Aug 2012
#17
I seem to think I have a winning lottery ticket in the back of my junk drawer
WonderGrunion
Aug 2012
#24
According to Wikipedia, the justice department in 2010 was looking if charges
WonderGrunion
Aug 2012
#20
It sounds more like puffery by Fred Burton to make him look more "in-the-know"
WonderGrunion
Aug 2012
#31
You realize, don't you, that the Stratfor escapade ended up being a sting, with the hackers arrested
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#39
Then you should notify WikiLeaks and Assange of your brilliant revelation so that they don't worry..
AntiFascist
Aug 2012
#40
I agree with the other commenter, but such posts are useful. Regardless of how ridiculous it may
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#51
That is why they are so pissed at him. How could what I said be a real charge?
still_one
Aug 2012
#33
Sweden has this 'not charged but we wanna talk to you' think going. They seem to have started this.
freshwest
Aug 2012
#48
Nope. Assange is not wanted for a nice chat but to face criminal process in Sweden
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#62
'Criminal process' is very vague. That's the reason for the doubts. Charge him and be done with it.
freshwest
Aug 2012
#63
I wrote upthread, this is a EU matter and we do not know in the law of the EU. So I asked. Thanks.
freshwest
Aug 2012
#67
... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings,
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#65
The only power, that Congress has, is to pass laws. Power to prosecute is in the Executive branch.
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#71
Assange has already been the subject of a grand jury investigation in the US.
backscatter712
Aug 2012
#59
LOL! Um, no, sorry. Our President cannot kill Julian "the same way we took down Osama bin Laden."
Zorra
Aug 2012
#88
So, reading through this entire thread, the answer is "No, I can't explain it."
WonderGrunion
Aug 2012
#89
User posts OP asking for explanation for something, rejects all explanations offered.
Poll_Blind
Aug 2012
#90