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In the discussion thread: Wow... Former UK Ambassador, And Julian Assange Supporter, Ain't Playing Around !!! [View all]

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Wed Aug 22, 2012, 01:03 AM

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59. Amazing

Tuesday, 15 June, 2004, 11:10 GMT 12:10 UK

Iraq abuse 'ordered from the top'

The US commander at the centre of the Iraqi prisoner scandal says she was told to treat detainees like dogs. Brig Gen Janis Karpinski told the BBC she was being made a "convenient scapegoat" for abuse ordered by others.

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Gen Karpinski said military intelligence took over part of the Abu Ghraib jail to "Gitmoize" their interrogations - make them more like what was happening in the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which is nicknamed "Gitmo".

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A US general who has investigated the abuse has blamed the soldiers - and found no evidence "of a policy or a direct order given to these soldiers to conduct what they did".

But Gen Karpinski believes the soldiers had not taken the pictures of their own accord. "I know that the MP unit that these soldiers belonged to hadn't been in Abu Ghraib long enough to be so confident that one night or early morning they were going to take detainees out of their cells, pile them up and photograph themselves in various positions with these detainees."

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98 replies	Author	Time	Post
Wow... Former UK Ambassador, And Julian Assange Supporter, Ain't Playing Around !!! [View all]	WillyT	Aug 2012	OP
Starts to sound like all the other side has...	a geek named Bob	Aug 2012	#1
That's not how the advocates of transparency and justice work.	The Doctor.	Aug 2012	#22
It is inevitable. TPB have and will never respond to anything else. We seem to be doomed to playing	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2012	#42
On the other hand	a geek named Bob	Aug 2012	#47
Yes we could, and that's part of what's so frustrating. Up until now, nobody has. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2012	#49
FYI, an EMP isn't something you can just make	Taverner	Aug 2012	#26
LOL !!! - Yeah... Like A Nuclear Device ...	WillyT	Aug 2012	#27
Marx high voltage stack, a power source (approx 35 KVA) and theta pinch magnetic coils	a geek named Bob	Aug 2012	#45
Dude, you can build a cheap Raskat style Russian EMP	a geek named Bob	Aug 2012	#46
pattern recognition n/t	RainDog	Aug 2012	#2
K & R	cr8tvlde	Aug 2012	#3
You know you're on the right side when men like Craig Murray are on your side.	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#4
"Why is Uzbekistan's brutal dictator being propped up by Britain and the US? "	dixiegrrrrl	Aug 2012	#78
There is, of course, a pattern.	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#5
This message was self-deleted by its author	Bernardo de La Paz	Aug 2012	#7
Like the tobacco hearings or the mob.	freshwest	Aug 2012	#19
Has not Romney used a few of these tax avoidance tactics?	Auntie Bush	Aug 2012	#29
It would be very interesting to find out specifically.	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#36
I would say we know hedid but proving it without	Auntie Bush	Aug 2012	#37
Good point, & it's for that reason that I question the charges against Assange.	pacalo	Aug 2012	#6
Dr. Kelly- dead.	Gregorian	Aug 2012	#8
WOW... Thank You For THAT Reminder !!!	WillyT	Aug 2012	#13
Dr. Kelly was the first person/thing I thought of.	Auntie Bush	Aug 2012	#30
Robin Cook - dead.	Octafish	Aug 2012	#34
Thanks. I was trying to remember the other happy guy who killed himself.	Gregorian	Aug 2012	#81
Thank you for remembering. Here are too many more...	Octafish	Aug 2012	#82
DURec.	bvar22	Aug 2012	#9
But but but you're describing our liberal democratic governments	kenny blankenship	Aug 2012	#10
K & R	1monster	Aug 2012	#11
Janis Karpinski wasn't exactly a whistle blower	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#12
Seriously, don't you have anything better to do?	hifiguy	Aug 2012	#53
Actually, the sexual allegations do not interest me in the least. I have no opinion on them.	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#54
"Creepy" What a perfect word!	Puglover	Aug 2012	#74
Now, here's creepy: Friend of Julian Assange names ‘sexual assault victim’ on live television	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#95
Edit.	Puglover	Aug 2012	#98
Here's some background on the Scott Ritter case	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#14
The odds are so against you. The world is watching now and the old smear campaign tactics just	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#16
Tu quoque: supporting Assange is not the same as working to bring the Bush era thugs to justice	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#21
So you oppose the Obama administration's interference with the Spanish Court's	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#23
I don't think I've ever seen a DUer with a more blatantly obvious agenda than your own..	Fumesucker	Aug 2012	#24
Let's see. Craig Murray thinks Janis Karpinski and Scott Ritter were punished for whistleblowing	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#31
I don't recall seeing an OP from you about anything other than Assange and/or Wikileaks in a while..	Fumesucker	Aug 2012	#32
Nobody will force you to read my posts, if they distress you	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#33
You misunderstand me..	Fumesucker	Aug 2012	#35
Its an odd thing to be focused on, at this point in time	bhikkhu	Aug 2012	#58
The point is that Americans used sexual humiliation as a psy-ops tool at Abu Ghraib.	JDPriestly	Aug 2012	#44
If you confuse different matters, it will not help you think clearly	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#51
Wow, I never expected you to come out so openly	reorg	Aug 2012	#50
That's nice, but the Abu Ghraib scandal broke in 2004	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#52
Amazing	reorg	Aug 2012	#59
Here's an interview with her six weeks earlier:	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#61
Incredible	reorg	Aug 2012	#66
Yeah, the dickheads needed a scapegoat and they used her for that	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#67
she went off the reservation. same difference.	HiPointDem	Aug 2012	#63
That's possible: after the scandal broke, it's likely some brass wanted a scapegoat,	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#65
.." I don't see how supporting Assange's ridiculous posturing ..."	MrMickeysMom	Aug 2012	#84
There is another one. Real pro bankers, Can't remember his name but he was banned from some site	Autumn	Aug 2012	#91
Yes it is. But never mind!	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#56
This message was self-deleted by its author	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2012	#43
Lol, and all on one topic?	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#55
Yep, a whole machine set up to smear state enemies and manipulate public opinion.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#15
I Think One Of Their Machines Posts Here...	WillyT	Aug 2012	#17
Anything linked to sex always works so that's why they use it. Sigh.	freshwest	Aug 2012	#20
i don't get why it works. most of the american public said they didn't care about clinton's	HiPointDem	Aug 2012	#64
Well he is an American...perhaps he could use this:	chknltl	Aug 2012	#25
I was wondering when s4p was going to show up in this thread.	backscatter712	Aug 2012	#38
Why, there are no paid astroturfers,	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#39
Oh, that's right! Silly me!	backscatter712	Aug 2012	#40
k and r	Berlum	Aug 2012	#18
Some patterns are undeniable ,even if we don't see.	orpupilofnature57	Aug 2012	#28
... Passions were stirred by a debate on the BBC’s Newsnight programme on Monday,	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#41
I was wondering when you find that.	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#69
Instead of facing the accusations, Assange organizes his friends to smear the women	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#76
Instead of filing charges after the case was dismissed	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#79
... There are women in Murray’s world, but they are not people. They are props	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#94
had me right up to Scott Ritter.	grantcart	Aug 2012	#48
For some reason high profile leftists get a pass when they like little girls.	joshcryer	Aug 2012	#57
Which has no bearing at all on the matter at hand. If there are 30 witnesses to a major slavery	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2012	#60
All that means is that they knew how to get Ritter, who should have been smart enough	eridani	Aug 2012	#71
"they" didn't get Ritter, a local police unit trawling for guys like Ritter set up a sting and got	grantcart	Aug 2012	#73
What do you want to bet that the locals got a tip from higher up?	eridani	Aug 2012	#85
What do you want to bet that a guy who was stupid enough to get caught in one	grantcart	Aug 2012	#92
Isn't weird he slid & slithered UNTIL	orpupilofnature57	Aug 2012	#72
he was arrested twice for the same crime before 9/11	grantcart	Aug 2012	#77
Not to defend pedophiles ,why wasn't he prosecuted and in jail ?	orpupilofnature57	Aug 2012	#83
No shit, me too. Astounding DUers are buying this part.	Robb	Aug 2012	#75
And then Spitzer, and Wiener...	bhikkhu	Aug 2012	#62
Wow! What a powerful speech!	Peace Patriot	Aug 2012	#68
I remember when he was fired for speaking out against torture. It was so rare	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#86
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!	WillyT	Aug 2012	#87
Remarkable comments. So glad you chose to share this. n/t	Judi Lynn	Aug 2012	#70
NGU	HCE SuiGeneris	Aug 2012	#80
LALALALALA...I can't hear you...Franklin Scandal 1988....LALALALAL	cr8tvlde	Aug 2012	#88
Washington Times Article	cr8tvlde	Aug 2012	#89
The Truth this is the Truth	lovuian	Aug 2012	#90
Wow... That pretty much lays it out.	SalviaBlue	Aug 2012	#93
Thanks Willy.	99Forever	Aug 2012	#96
Craig Murray defending Scott Ritter and Julian Assange????	msanthrope	Aug 2012	#97

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