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In reply to the discussion: Wow... Former UK Ambassador, And Julian Assange Supporter, Ain't Playing Around !!! [View all]reorg
(3,317 posts)59. Amazing
Tuesday, 15 June, 2004, 11:10 GMT 12:10 UK
Iraq abuse 'ordered from the top'
The US commander at the centre of the Iraqi prisoner scandal says she was told to treat detainees like dogs. Brig Gen Janis Karpinski told the BBC she was being made a "convenient scapegoat" for abuse ordered by others.
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Gen Karpinski said military intelligence took over part of the Abu Ghraib jail to "Gitmoize" their interrogations - make them more like what was happening in the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which is nicknamed "Gitmo".
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A US general who has investigated the abuse has blamed the soldiers - and found no evidence "of a policy or a direct order given to these soldiers to conduct what they did".
But Gen Karpinski believes the soldiers had not taken the pictures of their own accord. "I know that the MP [military police] unit that these soldiers belonged to hadn't been in Abu Ghraib long enough to be so confident that one night or early morning they were going to take detainees out of their cells, pile them up and photograph themselves in various positions with these detainees."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3806713.stm
Iraq abuse 'ordered from the top'
The US commander at the centre of the Iraqi prisoner scandal says she was told to treat detainees like dogs. Brig Gen Janis Karpinski told the BBC she was being made a "convenient scapegoat" for abuse ordered by others.
...
Gen Karpinski said military intelligence took over part of the Abu Ghraib jail to "Gitmoize" their interrogations - make them more like what was happening in the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which is nicknamed "Gitmo".
...
A US general who has investigated the abuse has blamed the soldiers - and found no evidence "of a policy or a direct order given to these soldiers to conduct what they did".
But Gen Karpinski believes the soldiers had not taken the pictures of their own accord. "I know that the MP [military police] unit that these soldiers belonged to hadn't been in Abu Ghraib long enough to be so confident that one night or early morning they were going to take detainees out of their cells, pile them up and photograph themselves in various positions with these detainees."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3806713.stm
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Wow... Former UK Ambassador, And Julian Assange Supporter, Ain't Playing Around !!! [View all]
WillyT
Aug 2012
OP
It is inevitable. TPB have and will never respond to anything else. We seem to be doomed to playing
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#42
Yes we could, and that's part of what's so frustrating. Up until now, nobody has. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#49
Marx high voltage stack, a power source (approx 35 KVA) and theta pinch magnetic coils
a geek named Bob
Aug 2012
#45
You know you're on the right side when men like Craig Murray are on your side.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#4
"Why is Uzbekistan's brutal dictator being propped up by Britain and the US? "
dixiegrrrrl
Aug 2012
#78
Actually, the sexual allegations do not interest me in the least. I have no opinion on them.
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#54
Now, here's creepy: Friend of Julian Assange names ‘sexual assault victim’ on live television
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#95
The odds are so against you. The world is watching now and the old smear campaign tactics just
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#16
Tu quoque: supporting Assange is not the same as working to bring the Bush era thugs to justice
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#21
So you oppose the Obama administration's interference with the Spanish Court's
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#23
I don't think I've ever seen a DUer with a more blatantly obvious agenda than your own..
Fumesucker
Aug 2012
#24
Let's see. Craig Murray thinks Janis Karpinski and Scott Ritter were punished for whistleblowing
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#31
I don't recall seeing an OP from you about anything other than Assange and/or Wikileaks in a while..
Fumesucker
Aug 2012
#32
The point is that Americans used sexual humiliation as a psy-ops tool at Abu Ghraib.
JDPriestly
Aug 2012
#44
That's possible: after the scandal broke, it's likely some brass wanted a scapegoat,
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#65
There is another one. Real pro bankers, Can't remember his name but he was banned from some site
Autumn
Aug 2012
#91
Yep, a whole machine set up to smear state enemies and manipulate public opinion.
HooptieWagon
Aug 2012
#15
i don't get why it works. most of the american public said they didn't care about clinton's
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#64
... Passions were stirred by a debate on the BBC’s Newsnight programme on Monday,
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#41
Instead of facing the accusations, Assange organizes his friends to smear the women
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#76
... There are women in Murray’s world, but they are not people. They are props
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#94
For some reason high profile leftists get a pass when they like little girls.
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#57
Which has no bearing at all on the matter at hand. If there are 30 witnesses to a major slavery
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#60
All that means is that they knew how to get Ritter, who should have been smart enough
eridani
Aug 2012
#71
"they" didn't get Ritter, a local police unit trawling for guys like Ritter set up a sting and got
grantcart
Aug 2012
#73
What do you want to bet that a guy who was stupid enough to get caught in one
grantcart
Aug 2012
#92
I remember when he was fired for speaking out against torture. It was so rare
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#86