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pnwmom

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66. I just looked at the first one again, and it's just a rehash of Assange's claims.

Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:59 AM

Aug 2012

The fact that there is a Grand Jury trying to link Manning to Assange is no surprise. Manning can't be prosecuted for the Wikileaks unless they can prove a tie to Wikileaks or Assange. That doesn't imply that the Obama administration has any legal grounds on which to prosecute Assange. Manning was a soldier who had a job to keep those documents confidential, not to hand them over to Assange. Assange, on the other hand, had no obligation to the US at all.

Do any of your multitude of articles address Assange's legal liability, rather than just Mannings?

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Can someone explain to me what Julian Assange has been charged with in the US [View all] WonderGrunion Aug 2012 OP

He's been charged with nothing, no Administration official has requested pnwmom Aug 2012 #1

That's what it seems to me as well. WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #2

Assange's US attorney has seen the Grand Jury Documents which was seated by the DOJ to sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #16

Are there ANY charges or an extradition filing by the US government? WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #22

Odd that South American foreign ministers would buy into a conspiracy theory... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #42

Why would that be odd? They're not all allies of the U.S. Some of them pnwmom Aug 2012 #52

Sorry I forgot the sarcasm smiley... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #55

They're either taking the theory seriously, pnwmom Aug 2012 #58

Whoa, wait a minuto... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #61

Is there any reason why there is a Grand Jury seated by the DOJ which is being asked to indict sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #43

Show me the link from a reputable source showing this and I'll be happy to discuss this. pnwmom Aug 2012 #54

REPOST LINKS (yet) AGAIN. I see it was *so* worthwhile to do it last time. Pholus Aug 2012 #60

I just looked at the first one again, and it's just a rehash of Assange's claims. pnwmom Aug 2012 #66

It's never the law so why bother with details, it's the prosecutor. Pholus Aug 2012 #83

Have you read any of the leaked Stratfor emails? It was revealed in those leaks that a sealed sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #68

Yes, charges in a sealed indictment according to the leaked Stratfor emails. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #72

Links please struggle4progress Aug 2012 #38

The only Grand Jury I've heard of is investigating Manning. They have to prove his connection pnwmom Aug 2012 #50

You are wrong. The GJ in Virginia was seated for the purpose of indicting Assange on Espionage sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #70

How do we know these emails are genuine? Do we have anything beyond Assange's say-so? pnwmom Aug 2012 #73

What else are they going to say? Notice, he says 'may have been'. Are you really denying sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #75

No, I'm not. I'm saying that we don't know if Manning is the only target pnwmom Aug 2012 #76

Manning has been charged with crimes. There is no GJ necessary AFTER sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #77

This is what I was referring to: pnwmom Aug 2012 #78

Wikileaks had over 2,000 employees/volunteers working for them. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #82

From an article 3 days ago... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #79

Wow, can't trust Julian's supporters on anything treestar Aug 2012 #84

+1 an excellent summation in a few sentences. treestar Aug 2012 #26

It would have been if it had put Conyers' comments in context. Conyers was actually sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #44

There are NO charges of any kind against Assange anywhere. dballance Aug 2012 #81

"quietly" killed? "quietly"? unblock Aug 2012 #3

Ok, it was hardly quiet WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #4

yeah, i don't think they really want to kill him. too heavy-handed. unblock Aug 2012 #5

I don't think they even want to have him arrested. WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #12

If you had read the CIA memos leaked to Wikileaks & published by them on their site you would sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #47

They're not going to blast him with a Hellfire from a Predator - he's in the middle of London! backscatter712 Aug 2012 #57

And by now it would be so obvious treestar Aug 2012 #85

That is a double top secret. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #6

I believe Assange just Wikileaked that the Germans... WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #7

Read this. Cleita Aug 2012 #8

Sounds like Australian for BS WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #9

Apparently, you and others have already make up your minds, put the guy on Cleita Aug 2012 #10

On trial for what? WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #11

Now you are talking and when they Cleita Aug 2012 #13

My point is, I don't think anyone is seriously looking at making a case against Assange WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #17

Assange and others seem to think there is a danger. Cleita Aug 2012 #19

I seem to think I have a winning lottery ticket in the back of my junk drawer WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #24

Why do you ask questions you don't want answers to? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #49

Your post is ridiculous... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #14

According to Wikipedia, the justice department in 2010 was looking if charges WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #20

What about reports of a sealed indictment from 2011? AntiFascist Aug 2012 #27

It sounds more like puffery by Fred Burton to make him look more "in-the-know" WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #31

Oh really? AntiFascist Aug 2012 #36

That's actually an interesting angle I hadn't considered. Robb Aug 2012 #41

You realize, don't you, that the Stratfor escapade ended up being a sting, with the hackers arrested struggle4progress Aug 2012 #39

Then you should notify WikiLeaks and Assange of your brilliant revelation so that they don't worry.. AntiFascist Aug 2012 #40

I agree with the other commenter, but such posts are useful. Regardless of how ridiculous it may sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #51

Yes, because Wikipedia is such a reliable source these days Cleita Aug 2012 #21

I was referring also to the references... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #28

Okay, I didn't mean to jump on you. Cleita Aug 2012 #29

He has a conscience. mmonk Aug 2012 #15

Not allowed by who? WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #23

You seem quite confident... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #46

Shhhh.... must not bring the truth into the Assange whistler162 Aug 2012 #18

Sarah Palin called for his death! treestar Aug 2012 #25

He is charged with exposing governments hypocrisy and incompetence. /nt still_one Aug 2012 #30

Charged by who??? WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #32

That is why they are so pissed at him. How could what I said be a real charge? still_one Aug 2012 #33

One thing Julian is good at treestar Aug 2012 #86

If he's in no danger of extradition DJ13 Aug 2012 #34

Nothing that I'm aware of atreides1 Aug 2012 #35

DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #37

GITMO exists Aerows Aug 2012 #45

Sweden has this 'not charged but we wanna talk to you' think going. They seem to have started this. freshwest Aug 2012 #48

Nope. Assange is not wanted for a nice chat but to face criminal process in Sweden struggle4progress Aug 2012 #62

'Criminal process' is very vague. That's the reason for the doubts. Charge him and be done with it. freshwest Aug 2012 #63

No, really, it isn't very vague. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #64

I wrote upthread, this is a EU matter and we do not know in the law of the EU. So I asked. Thanks. freshwest Aug 2012 #67

It's not an "EU matter"; it's a Swedish matter. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #80

I'm beginning to think he's crazy, because at this point treestar Aug 2012 #87

... In the Swedish system formal indictment takes place at a very late stage in proceedings, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #65

TY. And another member explained there is a warrant for his arrest. freshwest Aug 2012 #69

The only power, that Congress has, is to pass laws. Power to prosecute is in the Executive branch. struggle4progress Aug 2012 #71

All that needs to happen is an allegation of something xchrom Aug 2012 #53

Democracy Now had a good interview with Daniel Elsberg about Assange Matariki Aug 2012 #56

Assange has already been the subject of a grand jury investigation in the US. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #59

No charges, just speculation cemaphonic Aug 2012 #74

LOL! Um, no, sorry. Our President cannot kill Julian "the same way we took down Osama bin Laden." Zorra Aug 2012 #88

So, reading through this entire thread, the answer is "No, I can't explain it." WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #89

User posts OP asking for explanation for something, rejects all explanations offered. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #90

But it's a rejection with keen analysis. WonderGrunion Aug 2012 #91