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coalition_unwilling

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9. Much as I like MM, the lie was NOT concocted "at the Pentagon." If any lie
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:56 PM
Aug 2012

was concocted, it was concocted at the White House. Accurate reporting of the supposed raid -- that it did not happen as originally reported -- was received at the Pentagon as soon as the day after the incident and relayed immediately to LBJ's White House. If the lie were 'concocted at the Pentagon,' it would mean that senior military officers lied to LBJ and his staff. No serious historian maintains this. Instead, the record convincingly shows, LBJ and his staff exerted pressure on the Pentagon to get after-action reports to confirm that the North Vietnamese had fired upon the Joy and the Maddox because LBJ needed to be able to prove that his retaliatory airstrikes had not been ordered on false pretexts.

I hold no warrant for the desk jockeys at the Pentagon, but history demands accuracy and precision.

Information management is, and always has been, Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #1
This is the America I started to see in the sixties. WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2012 #19
that management is so terrifically sophisticated now that any talk of Swagman Aug 2012 #21
where is the equivalent here? treestar Aug 2012 #2
Wikileaks has plenty of specifics, even if you can't be bothered to read them. Electric Monk Aug 2012 #3
Why do none of them stand out? treestar Aug 2012 #15
Um... WillyT Aug 2012 #25
Impossible that people in Tunisia did not have an inkling treestar Aug 2012 #26
Ha ha ha ha ha. Bonobo Aug 2012 #28
If you had any desire to know, you would look. Your history shows that what you will look for is, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #6
If you had specifics, you would cite them treestar Aug 2012 #17
In your dreams, I don't do other people's work for free and I don't bother with fakers like you. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #27
Well to be fair... Bonobo Aug 2012 #29
Well, we had better investigative journalism in the 1960s. randome Aug 2012 #4
Yes, there was good investigative journalism in the 1960s, Lionel Mandrake Aug 2012 #24
All thinking people support Wikileaks' mission. Robb Aug 2012 #5
"bow at the altar of Assange by the uncritical fanboy choir"? Somebody's projecting! LOL! Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #8
Truly, if you self-identify as an uncritical fanboy, I cannot help but have obliquely offended you. Robb Aug 2012 #10
Damn, that's deep-sounding. If I didn't have facts to rebut you with, I'd say shit like that too. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #14
Kind of an irrelevant question really Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #7
Admiral James Stockdale (later to be Perot's running mate in 1992) was flying over the coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #11
Much as I like MM, the lie was NOT concocted "at the Pentagon." If any lie coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #9
well, somebody wanted a fucking war, and they got it. KG Aug 2012 #12
Oh, I have no doubt that many of the Pentagon desk jockies 'wanted coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #13
What if? Cleita Aug 2012 #16
if we had the internet then, Elsberg would be a "narcissistic fool" Swagman Aug 2012 #18
Funny you should mention that- it was literally "Hunt/Liddy Special Project No. 1" Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #20
This illustrates why freedom of speech and of the press is so critical to democracy. nt freedom fighter jh Aug 2012 #22
Then Wikileaks would be said to be "on orders from Moscow"... JHB Aug 2012 #23
Ain't that the truth pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #30
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