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Confusious

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102. Which is higher then I thought

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 02:45 AM

Aug 2012

I would have thought only <30% of the population would get some sort of relief.

Your argument would be to do what exactly?

A. leave things as they are.
B. Take the drugs off the market.
C. proscribe the drugs less, leave them on the market

Seems to me that your entire argument would be centered around B. Everything you've posted points to that.

Am I wrong?

PS. Obviously they do wrong. But to try and take away something that helps, as you posted, <50% of the population, is wrong also.

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Giving a lecture on old-timey quack medicines tomorrow [View all] derby378 Aug 2012 OP

What was in the bottles? Morphine, cocaine, booze, opiates? nt MADem Aug 2012 #1

Opiates? I think the DEA would want a word with me derby378 Aug 2012 #2

Well, I know a lot of those old quacky meds had all kinds of stuff in 'em! MADem Aug 2012 #4

LOTS of alcohol! derby378 Aug 2012 #6

bitters good for what ails you lunasun Aug 2012 #9

They used STRYCHNINE for upset stomachs??? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #15

About a hundred years ago, they did derby378 Aug 2012 #22

Our dog ate some strychinine-based fly bait when I was a kid NickB79 Aug 2012 #120

A lot of corn liquor and turpentine, I suspect. nt hifiguy Aug 2012 #11

...~~~***BURP!***``~~~! nt MADem Aug 2012 #12

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #33

One word: Radithor Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #3

I'd love to grab a bottle - but then again, maybe not derby378 Aug 2012 #5

With tongs...while wearing a lead suit!!! nt MADem Aug 2012 #8

Radium is very bad shit. longship Aug 2012 #7

Radium is probably lead to Marie Curie dying from cancer. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #18

And many on the Manhattan Project. longship Aug 2012 #81

It's a lot harder Confusious Aug 2012 #28

Radium is natural, Plutonium isn't. longship Aug 2012 #75

Actually... derby378 Aug 2012 #156

Maybe true. longship Aug 2012 #164

And thanks for the clarification derby378 Aug 2012 #165

Tc, element 43 longship Aug 2012 #171

Eckkkkk! SoapBox Aug 2012 #10

WTF is "mesothorium"??? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #17

I'd guess Th233 as opposed to Th232 or Th234. TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #31

the old name for radium 228, which is a decay product of thorium 232. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #34

Got any Holloway's Bitters? Habibi Aug 2012 #13

I've got Hostetter's, but not Holloway's derby378 Aug 2012 #14

The woo-woos here on DU would love for us to go back to those bad old days. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #16

plenty of medicines today that are basically ineffective. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #19

My not having panic attacks anymore is not any fucking placebo effect. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #21

ecological fallacy HiPointDem Aug 2012 #23

Okay, but that's you. JackRiddler Sep 2012 #180

Even that singular naysayer conceedes that antidepressants DO work Care Acutely Aug 2012 #24

where else would depression be but 'in their heads'? that doesn't mean that anti-depressants HiPointDem Aug 2012 #25

LOL, never heard of seretonin? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #27

please tell me how the test for low serotonin works. as you are such a scholar, i'm sure you know. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #35

So the last 40 years of neuroscience is a Big Pharma conspiracy to sell pills, gotcha. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #40

I said, tell me how the test for low serotonin works & when you got yours. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #41

You know what you sound like? A Creationist... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #47

it doesn't? oh really.... thought you were all about the science.... HiPointDem Aug 2012 #52

No, I'm rejecting your sophistry. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #57

i've read up on it for years -- including at university. which is how i know that patients HiPointDem Aug 2012 #64

The Serotonin Theory of Depression Is Collapsing HiPointDem Aug 2012 #70

But the anti depressants still work. Nt. Confusious Aug 2012 #77

depends on what you mean by 'work,' and for whom. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #79

Disengenous argument. Confusious Aug 2012 #86

not at all, but you're tiresome. it's well-known that anti-depressants don't work for a significant HiPointDem Aug 2012 #92

Well, you'd have a point Confusious Aug 2012 #95

you'd have a point -- if there were some way of determining who a 'good candidate' for treatment HiPointDem Aug 2012 #98

Well, most people complaining of depression Confusious Aug 2012 #99

<50% of that population get relief from anti-depressants. and as with any large powerful corporation HiPointDem Aug 2012 #100

Which is higher then I thought Confusious Aug 2012 #102

my argument wouldn't be any of those things. this discussion began when i stated that there HiPointDem Aug 2012 #105

So you're just here to spread FUD Confusious Aug 2012 #108

I wonder why you felt you had to post all those links, as i've not denied that chinese medicine HiPointDem Aug 2012 #124

Chinese medicine is the greater part of it Confusious Aug 2012 #127

I quoted the world wildlife fund on habitat loss being the most important cause of extinction HiPointDem Aug 2012 #134

At least it's not death Confusious Aug 2012 #141

if SSRI's don't work for you, perhaps you should get some benzo's.. i think you could use some... dionysus Aug 2012 #159

They work for me. With my twice-a-day dose of Cymbalta hifiguy Aug 2012 #148

don't try convincing this guy... you're wasting your breath. dionysus Aug 2012 #160

Seriously? Confusious Aug 2012 #30

not sure what relevance your comments have to mine. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #37

Let me make it easy for you Confusious Aug 2012 #46

He/She is using the same arguments the Creationists use when denying evolution. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #49

Yea I know Confusious Aug 2012 #53

You seem to blame everything you don't sense Aug 2012 #115

several hidden assumptions in there...i'll leave you to figure them out as you fancy you are so HiPointDem Aug 2012 #54

I guess you didn't Confusious Aug 2012 #63

If you think depression's a monolithic nonbiological thing you really need to stop talking Posteritatis Aug 2012 #111

You appeal to this man's authority and then immediately discredit him. Care Acutely Aug 2012 #147

Depressive illness is a physical illness, not a bloody "all in your head" BS! idwiyo Aug 2012 #177

I second what odin said Confusious Aug 2012 #29

how do you know what degrees posters have? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #36

Well you don't Confusious Aug 2012 #43

oh really? your esp is poor HiPointDem Aug 2012 #56

Deductive reasoning. Confusious Aug 2012 #62

why don't you then? your brand of 'deductive reasoning' goes like this: HiPointDem Aug 2012 #65

You forgot C Confusious Aug 2012 #66

"sounds like someone" is an opinion, not a fact. not an objective premise, sorry. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #69

Well you haven't disputed my claim Confusious Aug 2012 #72

except it's not just one study (the one cited was a meta-study, btw). HiPointDem Aug 2012 #74

See that's another thing Confusious Aug 2012 #76

your assumptions are showing again -- and you're back to the name-calling. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #80

Did I hurt your feelings? Confusious Aug 2012 #83

more name-calling, while i'm citing evidence. readers can judge for themselves who's more HiPointDem Aug 2012 #88

Like I said Confusious Aug 2012 #89

i haven't noticed you making any arguments at all. or linking any evidence. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #93

because you're asking me Confusious Aug 2012 #97

i don't recall asking you for anything at all. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #109

Ok, so you're trying to prove your case Confusious Aug 2012 #113

I have, and it's certainly not you independentpiney Aug 2012 #142

Why don't you reply to the evidence sense Aug 2012 #122

I have argument plenty Confusious Aug 2012 #128

So true. sense Aug 2012 #110

woo peddling. dionysus Aug 2012 #167

Way to add sense Aug 2012 #169

politicians didn't create the food pyramid, dietitians/professor types did. but the ones who HiPointDem Aug 2012 #174

I imagine I wasn't sense Aug 2012 #178

i understand what you're saying about the pyramid, i'm just saying you've got some of the HiPointDem Aug 2012 #179

Indeed, I think it would be fairly easy to put together a presentation showcasing Care Acutely Aug 2012 #20

yeah because the fact that now 80% of kids with cancer get cured by treatments mucifer Aug 2012 #61

Interestingly agent46 Aug 2012 #143

From your post, it seems you think any "antique medicine" is worthless. flvegan Aug 2012 #26

Personally, I would say most Confusious Aug 2012 #32

Willow bark, foxglove, quinine, opium, all still useful Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #38

But now we can make all those synthetically without hurting any plants. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #44

Some, not all Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #48

Making medicines synthetically sense Aug 2012 #123

LOL! Here comes the "Natural good, artificial bad!" nonsense. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #145

That's all you've ever done sense Aug 2012 #149

So you admit your scientific ignorance. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #150

Anything to support sense Aug 2012 #154

I'm not obsfuscating, you are. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #155

A molecule is a molecule? sense Aug 2012 #166

. dionysus Aug 2012 #168

That's who you are... sense Aug 2012 #170

opium. & if you think chinese medicine was/is worthless you don't know anything about it. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #39

Yep, figured you for a woo. Confusious Aug 2012 #42

as i said, you have no idea what credentials people have. but namecalling in place of an argument HiPointDem Aug 2012 #50

I never said "don't question" Confusious Aug 2012 #59

you said chinese medicine (en toto) was "worthless". i'm not 'pushing' chinese medicine, i'm HiPointDem Aug 2012 #67

It's been around thousands of years Confusious Aug 2012 #68

"From what I've seen, and read, and watched" HiPointDem Aug 2012 #71

You got that one thing? Confusious Aug 2012 #73

nih HiPointDem Aug 2012 #78

Rhino horn? Confusious Aug 2012 #84

you asked for one example & i gave you one. now you want to talk about tiger penises. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #90

You always use "western" Confusious Aug 2012 #94

Straw man. sense Aug 2012 #125

So you disagree with the world wildlife fund? Confusious Aug 2012 #129

Try replying to the correct post. sense Aug 2012 #136

Yea, well if the shoe fits Confusious Aug 2012 #139

Same reply to every post.... sense Aug 2012 #144

Oh god! look at the side effects!~ Confusious Aug 2012 #85

"The rate of adverse effects was similar in both the thunder god vine and sulfasalazine groups." HiPointDem Aug 2012 #96

Certainly I know that Confusious Aug 2012 #101

i'm not a woo person. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #107

Seems like it. nt Confusious Aug 2012 #114

Chinese Medicine is good for driving species into extinction from poaching. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #45

no, that's capitalism. chinese medicine isn't all about endangered species, fyi. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #51

LOL, what crap. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #58

that name-calling is highly effective in convincing the converted. go team! HiPointDem Aug 2012 #60

We killed more chinese? Confusious Aug 2012 #87

i see why you're having a problem; you can't read properly. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #103

No I can read Confusious Aug 2012 #104

ah, my error then. no, i'll leave it stand, as it's true re modern times. also vietnamese & HiPointDem Aug 2012 #106

Really? Confusious Aug 2012 #118

see the dip circa 1851? 20-30 million = opium wars/taiping rebellion. biggest population loss of HiPointDem Aug 2012 #130

50,000 deaths due the opium wars Confusious Aug 2012 #132

yes, i'm blaming the western powers, for multiple reasons. the opium wars and the taiping HiPointDem Aug 2012 #135

Guilt by association then, is it. Confusious Aug 2012 #140

I see the "West evil, West evil" BS has started. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #146

Ignorance is bliss, some say. flvegan Aug 2012 #55

Most antique medicine *was* worthless. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #112

Homeopathic Medicines? Ya Basta Aug 2012 #82

The cayenne cure reminded me of these guys Confusious Aug 2012 #91

... Ya Basta Aug 2012 #119

The good (not so good) Dr had his license revoked Confusious Aug 2012 #126

Your comment only demonstrates your ignorance Ya Basta Aug 2012 #131

No, I place science first Confusious Aug 2012 #133

No you don't Ya Basta Aug 2012 #137

Bullshit Confusious Aug 2012 #138

LOL.. Ha ha! Ya Basta Aug 2012 #153

Homeopathic medicine is an oxymoron... SidDithers Aug 2012 #163

naturalnews and lef... SidDithers Aug 2012 #162

Could you have them analyzed? Taverner Aug 2012 #116

I probably could, but it might be expensive derby378 Aug 2012 #158

I've always enjoyed watching the patent med vendors switch their target audiences Posteritatis Aug 2012 #117

Gee, back in the day Coke was made with real cocaine. People gave paregoric to infants appleannie1 Aug 2012 #121

Don't forget Trickle Down, the ultimate snake oil. Scuba Aug 2012 #151

Always wondered about this one: madamesilverspurs Aug 2012 #152

Awesome... SidDithers Aug 2012 #157

Sadly there is plenty of anti-science thinking among otherwise rational people on the left. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #161

Snake oil salesmen are as popular as ever Major Nikon Aug 2012 #172

They rail on about "big pharma" making obscene profits, NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #173

Although the pharmaceutical industry claims to be a high-risk business, HiPointDem Aug 2012 #175

And? NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #176

Do you have the bottle of Heroin by Bayer (for toothing infants) Taverner Oct 2012 #181

Ooooohh!!! derby378 Oct 2012 #182