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In the discussion thread: You can be pro-victims rights and still acknowledge the absurdity of the Assange ordeal [View all]

Response to Matilda (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:10 AM

HooptieWagon (6,343 posts)

13. Not only did they not accuse him of rape,

They refused to sign the investigators report, and refused to participate in prosecution.

So, given that Sweden could question Assange at the embassy (there is precedent), yet refuse to do so...
And given that Sweden insists on him returning to Swedish soil...
And given that Sweden's case is shakey...
And given that Sweden refuses to promise not to hand him over to the US...
And given that Sweden has a history of being complicit with the US on extraordinary rendition and torture...
And given that the US desires to shut him up...
And given that a US prosecution would go up in flames before any civilian court...

Then it certainly appears the Swedish charges are merely a pretext to hand him over to US, and the US won't risk a civilian trial (with oversight and appeals) under the guise of "national security", so Assange will simply disappear into some US "black ops" hole.

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88 replies	Author	Time	Post
You can be pro-victims rights and still acknowledge the absurdity of the Assange ordeal [View all]	morningfog	Aug 2012	OP
damnit, it wont let me rec more than once	NightWatcher	Aug 2012	#1
I agree...	Kalidurga	Aug 2012	#2
Sweden can question Assange after Assange is in Ecuador.	JDPriestly	Aug 2012	#27
They can go speak to him at the Equadorian embassy.	backscatter712	Aug 2012	#28
Whatever you think of Assange, please don't keep talking rape.	Matilda	Aug 2012	#3
Thank you, while I agree with the OP, that fact needs to be repeated as often	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#7
Yup	obamanut2012	Aug 2012	#88
Point well taken.	morningfog	Aug 2012	#10
Gray psy-ops	TomClash	Aug 2012	#11
Why, you could get your posts hidden for suggesting such a thing!	backscatter712	Aug 2012	#12
LOL	TomClash	Aug 2012	#16
This is true.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#17
Yep. And there's no rule against using sarcasm on DU. n/t	backscatter712	Aug 2012	#18
a private message said similar to me	Swagman	Aug 2012	#24
Yea, you got it.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#25
Maybe someone is retired?	JDPriestly	Aug 2012	#29
Beats me.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#33
I have a lot of posts because I'm retired, like to talk and type fast (although	JDPriestly	Aug 2012	#34
The post count was an oblique reference	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#35
Not only did they not accuse him of rape,	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#13
I think you are 100% on the mark.. How can we effectively help Assange, that's what I want to know.	crunch60	Aug 2012	#19
Not much, other than countering the lies.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#22
Too many are impervious to reason around here.	The Doctor.	Aug 2012	#37
I have decided that people just don't read this....IT IS NOT ABOUT RAPE...He	movonne	Aug 2012	#21
Not every country has medieval rape laws like America.	hack89	Aug 2012	#38
Swedish law seems convoluted.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#51
Hack's back. How about answering my questions on your standards as the arbiter of a sex crime	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#68
Yeah, lol, the UK is threatening to storm an Embassy to make him to take an STD test	Matariki	Aug 2012	#49
Whats more...	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#53
Thank you!	backscatter712	Aug 2012	#4
you could be a piece of stone and still have to acknowledge it.	grantcart	Aug 2012	#5
Why do you "think Assange is a son-of-a-bitch"?	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#6
He has a huge ego, which got him into this trouble.	morningfog	Aug 2012	#8
So he's done no harm to the world. He's done a great service to the world. He's in trouble because	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#14
Take your pick, I don't care.	morningfog	Aug 2012	#15
He did a great service to the world let us not forget that. We all have Egos, so what that his is	crunch60	Aug 2012	#20
I agree	DonCoquixote	Aug 2012	#9
It is even simpler than that.	hifiguy	Aug 2012	#23
and remember the Australian (US lackey) government has repeatedly lied	Swagman	Aug 2012	#26
Yep, whole lot of govt lyin' going on....	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#30
Agreed. n/t	ProfessionalLeftist	Aug 2012	#31
Just don't do the same thing for Elephant Man	RZM	Aug 2012	#32
Does not a single person understand that governments create reasons to destroy those who oppose them	Fire Walk With Me	Aug 2012	#36
Daniel Ellsberg: I Congratulate Ecuador for Standing Up to British Empire to Protect Julian Assange	crunch60	Aug 2012	#43
Thank you.	Fire Walk With Me	Aug 2012	#58
K&R. This is what we can do here. Just keep writing the truth. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2012	#39
I can't rec this - but I'll kick it for the discussion. Nt	xchrom	Aug 2012	#40
If this were really about the assault charges, Sweden would agree to not extradite him to the US. nt	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2012	#41
Sweden can't offer such an assurance.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#59
As soon as Assange's foot touches Swedish soil	Canuckistanian	Aug 2012	#42
That's just nonsensical	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#61
People can also be sensitive in how they talk about rape and rape victims while	gollygee	Aug 2012	#44
Did you really say this?	treestar	Aug 2012	#45
This particular situation does not warrant	Aerows	Aug 2012	#46
Nobody is going to "storm an embassy"	treestar	Aug 2012	#48
Don't be ridiculous.	morningfog	Aug 2012	#47
Any charge could result in an international arrest warrant	treestar	Aug 2012	#50
The Swiss rejected the US's request to extradite him.	morningfog	Aug 2012	#52
How serious do charges have to be	treestar	Aug 2012	#62
Wrong question.	morningfog	Aug 2012	#67
Yes, sexual assault is serious. The women said they weren't.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#56
It is not up to the crime victim to decide	treestar	Aug 2012	#63
Excuse me, what?	Aerows	Aug 2012	#65
Why did you press charges and say you were raped in the first place?	treestar	Aug 2012	#74
Actually it is, even under Napoleonic law systems.	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#71
The arguement they're making is the same used to restrict womens health access.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#73
A growing (and depressing) list of DUers who want to strip women of the authority to make their own	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#77
Somebody in Sweden started a criminal prosecution	treestar	Aug 2012	#75
Ny actually OVERRODE the investigator who found no basis for a crime	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#78
Whatever they did, they started something	treestar	Aug 2012	#79
"They" did not start anything. They've said it was not rape. The state decided for them.	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#80
Something got started somewhere	treestar	Aug 2012	#82
Under what logic does the woman not get to decide?	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#72
Then why did they start something in the courts?	treestar	Aug 2012	#76
They did not start anything, especially in any court. Ever.	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#81
She didn't start the legal process.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#83
The women don't call it rape, they didn't want to press charges. The Swedish govt is	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#55
The women themselves aren't accusing him of rape, the Swedish govt is	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#69
Thank you. Been saying this for days now. It needed to be an OP K&R nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#54
I think that people are largely ignorant of the Swedish legal process.	Spider Jerusalem	Aug 2012	#57
"Willfully" ignorant, IMO. nt	Robb	Aug 2012	#64
Not if you're a shill n/t	whatchamacallit	Aug 2012	#60
I look at Craig Murray and say whoa.	tsuki	Aug 2012	#66
Make NO mistake about it.	99Forever	Aug 2012	#70
So Jamie Leigh Jones should have just shut up then?	jeff47	Aug 2012	#84
Not what I am arguing at all. Nice try, though.	morningfog	Aug 2012	#85
You are welcome to rephrase.	jeff47	Aug 2012	#86
The best OP written on this whole situation	obamanut2012	Aug 2012	#87

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