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Fri Aug 17, 2012, 07:09 PM

Posteritatis (17,288 posts)

76. How is that even the slightest bit constitutional? (nt)

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147 replies	Author	Time	Post
should sex between consenting adults ever be illegal? [View all]	cali	Aug 2012	OP
Are they both republicans?	Curtland1015	Aug 2012	#1
Agree!	LeftofObama	Aug 2012	#3
Over 18 doesn't necessarily mean consenting	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#2
If there were threats there would have been charges reflecting that	cali	Aug 2012	#6
If that's all it was, then no, there should have been no charges	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#15
She was in a position of authority over them.	gollygee	Aug 2012	#4
It sounds like she was in several positions with them.	AngryAmish	Aug 2012	#7
BWAAAAHAHA!!! DAMMIT!	tblue	Aug 2012	#127
If they were coerced that would be reflected in the charges.	cali	Aug 2012	#8
Hmm one would hope	gollygee	Aug 2012	#11
Yes.	LWolf	Aug 2012	#147
Coercion could factor in as well--when there are power inequities	hlthe2b	Aug 2012	#5
There is a caveat about a person of higher power, like a teacher, having sex	Cleita	Aug 2012	#9
There are still business	HockeyMom	Aug 2012	#35
If she was in a position of authority over them, yes.	Avalux	Aug 2012	#10
ugh. fire her. but prosecute her for consensual sex. No.	cali	Aug 2012	#14
What about sex between two consenting adults in the middle of Times Square?	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#12
or on my lawn	Electric Monk	Aug 2012	#28
In the middle of Times Square	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#70
That's what I'm thinking.	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#74
Creepy maybe, illegal not sure...	Veritas Omnia Vincit	Aug 2012	#13
Fired? Yes. Prison. No.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2012	#16
If they were still going to school, she was in a position of authority over them.	haele	Aug 2012	#17
Of course she should be fired. That's a no brainer	cali	Aug 2012	#18
Same age range; Male teacher, female students. All of "age of consent"	haele	Aug 2012	#51
Prison inmates and guards?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#19
OK, good point. Prison inmates and guards IS one category that I	cali	Aug 2012	#20
But why?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#22
easy peasy. because the prisoner inherently can't consent	cali	Aug 2012	#25
Why can't the inmate consent?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#32
required to be there? how quaint.	cali	Aug 2012	#34
Tell me how to get a high school diploma...	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#100
Lol, your whole argument is silly! You know students HAVE to be in school???	Logical	Aug 2012	#112
nope. most states allow those who reach 16 to drop out.	cali	Aug 2012	#129
Lol, so your argument it you have to have sex with your teacher...	Logical	Aug 2012	#140
I disagree. An inmate can consent to sex with a jailer.	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#55
Why do you say a minor cannot sign a contract?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#105
Sure a prisoner could consent	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#78
I imagine we all have an arbitrary line somewhere...	LanternWaste	Aug 2012	#26
yup its all down to our own interpretation	loli phabay	Aug 2012	#83
However	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#108
yup i get it, i was more picking on the point the op made about as long as there is no physical harm	loli phabay	Aug 2012	#119
I was a correctional officer	Blue_In_AK	Aug 2012	#114
No, that is the proper course of action	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#120
Excellent. Logical and concice.	joshcryer	Aug 2012	#97
What's wrong with a doctor and a patient?	Ter	Aug 2012	#98
A psychiatrist?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#106
Prison inmates lose many of their legal rights by virtue of the fact that they're in prison	Hippo_Tron	Aug 2012	#102
Do the guards lose theirs?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#117
they certainly lose their freedoms but prisoner's rights should be established and written down.	Swagman	Aug 2012	#135
In Nevada, that's rape	Nevernose	Aug 2012	#21
holy shit. that's awful	cali	Aug 2012	#23
It is 16 in Pennsylvania too	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#24
huh? The age of consent is 16 in Vermont too	cali	Aug 2012	#33
Your parenting choices may be different	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#80
I'm with ya	blueamy66	Aug 2012	#115
It's called "transference"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#121
Um, I'm pretty sure that my best friend had a crush on him as well.	blueamy66	Aug 2012	#128
Wait, wait - they have a separate age of consent for gay sex? (nt)	Posteritatis	Aug 2012	#45
Yep. n/t	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#75
How is that even the slightest bit constitutional? (nt)	Posteritatis	Aug 2012	#76
Same reason they can't marry in the wedding chapels	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#91
Yep	Nevernose	Aug 2012	#109
Suppose the student is 30?	Ter	Aug 2012	#99
The law is applicable to high school age	Nevernose	Aug 2012	#110
None of the laws are drafted that way	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#122
i thought this thread was going to be about julian Assange....	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#27
No. But...	Alduin	Aug 2012	#29
Current or former teacher?	Peepsite	Aug 2012	#30
Duh - she's a "former teacher" because they FIRED her for it	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#116
It should be illegal to have sex with a republican. /nt	still_one	Aug 2012	#31
It should be illegal for a Republican to have sex	meow2u3	Aug 2012	#58
You are right	still_one	Aug 2012	#68
It's illegal in Texas for teachers and students	Horse with no Name	Aug 2012	#36
1 student? Maybe; but 5 sounds a bit -- predatory	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#37
So what? Yes, it's sleazy but why does the number matter?	cali	Aug 2012	#44
She apparently sees students as targets.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#49
It is not sleazy... It is predatory	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#81
"consent" is a bit murky when there's a power relationship.	unblock	Aug 2012	#38
I don't find this case murky at all	cali	Aug 2012	#41
you simply cannot go on that alone because the denial could be effectively coerced as well.	unblock	Aug 2012	#48
Consent is what an adult says it is. Period.	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#61
the age of consent to sex varies from state to state	cali	Aug 2012	#62
Out of necessity, adulthood and consent must be a legal bright line	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#64
but adults change what they're willing to say all the time.	unblock	Aug 2012	#65
Is 18 AND finished with school	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#82
Who does she think she is	Politicalboi	Aug 2012	#39
No. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2012	#40
No.	hifiguy	Aug 2012	#42
That law is unconstitutional	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#43
Can you explain why it's unconstitutional?	cali	Aug 2012	#47
The whole nexus of decisions	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#53
Thanks for the explanation.	cali	Aug 2012	#57
This is the law in many if not most states.	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2012	#67
And thankfully I can maintain it is unconstitutional	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#69
This would never get to the Supreme Court and if it did	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#85
That's gibberish	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#93
You're welcome to think what you want.	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2012	#89
Absolutely awesome post. +1 nt	Poll_Blind	Aug 2012	#125
And it would be a substantial one...	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#139
That is a ridiculous analysis	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#138
It's unconstitutional? Then we'd better fucking pack the SCOTUS until it IS constitutional!	Wednesdays	Aug 2012	#107
Text of the facially unconstituional law	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#46
What makes it unconstitutional? Honest question. n/t	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2012	#50
Her teaching credentials should be revoked but prison? No.	appleannie1	Aug 2012	#52
Yes, when you ask it that way	quaker bill	Aug 2012	#54
Something not many in this thread seem to realize	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#56
No they do not	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#86
WTF?	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#94
Maybe.	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2012	#90
If it was college, I wouldn't sayit was criminal unless there was coercion.	Ilsa	Aug 2012	#59
that's just crazy. Who cares if it was high school?	cali	Aug 2012	#60
Hold onto your hat, Cali...	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#63
Yes it would still be illegal	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#87
By that definition no police officer would ever be allowed to date	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#73
Yes.	lumberjack_jeff	Aug 2012	#66
Generally, two consenting adults having sex	Proles	Aug 2012	#71
I think in some cases it should be heavily discouraged	SilveryMoon	Aug 2012	#72
Not if one is mentally incompetent. nt	jody	Aug 2012	#77
Its really easy not to screw your students.	aikoaiko	Aug 2012	#79
ugh. I'm so sick of this puritanical bullshit coming from the left.	cali	Aug 2012	#130
I am no more puritanical than you are supportive of abusive relationships	aikoaiko	Aug 2012	#137
I'm afraid you are. As are all of those who think there's a need to protect 18 year olds	cali	Aug 2012	#143
Are you not concerned about teachers grooming minors while under 18 for sexual relationships	aikoaiko	Aug 2012	#145
No	PD Turk	Aug 2012	#84
Honestly I don't know. Too much gray area. Also	Butterbean	Aug 2012	#88
I believe incest should be illegal.	Nye Bevan	Aug 2012	#92
Could she legally MARRY one of those students?	cthulu2016	Aug 2012	#95
Not enough for jail but definitely enough to be fired. n/t	taught_me_patience	Aug 2012	#96
This would make an interesting poll!	RKP5637	Aug 2012	#101
In a normal situation this would be clear to me...not guilty...	Swede Atlanta	Aug 2012	#103
Was there a quid pro quo?	cherokeeprogressive	Aug 2012	#104
Her children are going to be hearing about this from their classmates for a long time.	Kaleva	Aug 2012	#111
NO!!!!!!	blueamy66	Aug 2012	#113
Who has a position of authority over an eighteen year old. Come on think back people	Monk06	Aug 2012	#118
This message was self-deleted by its author	limpyhobbler	Aug 2012	#123
nevermind	limpyhobbler	Aug 2012	#124
The fact that they are 18 doesn't necessarily mean it is consenting	davidpdx	Aug 2012	#126
I expected a handful of neo-puritans to self-righteously	cali	Aug 2012	#131
Yes	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#132
Why nothing like that ever happen to me	B Calm	Aug 2012	#133
I don't think so but when someone is in authority there must be boundaries	Swagman	Aug 2012	#134
I don't mind the destruction of career. Someone who's fucking students should	cali	Aug 2012	#136
there's some people here, you'd almost think they thought ALL sex was rape	datasuspect	Aug 2012	#141
Well it is clearly unethical	MadrasT	Aug 2012	#142
There are several situations that come to mind (quickly)	etherealtruth	Aug 2012	#144
Just one more way Texas goes about perverting any common-sense notion	coalition_unwilling	Aug 2012	#146

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