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girl gone mad

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69. According to text messages from Assange's sex patner..

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 04:53 AM

Aug 2012

she had just returned from getting breakfast and was "half asleep" in bed. In other words, by her own admission, she was awake.

She then asked him if he was wearing a condom. When he said no, she "jokingly" (her description) replied 'You better not have AIDS' and did not request that he put on a condom, but continued to have sex with him and never asked him to stop.

A little bit different from the trumped up hypothetical you're pushing in the OP.

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I have a question for DU ladies. [View all] NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 OP

I'm a man. It's rape BlueJazz Aug 2012 #1

First post is the winner REP Aug 2012 #19

Yes, it most certainly IS. n/t hlthe2b Aug 2012 #30

+1,000,000,000!!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #82

Violated! haikugal Aug 2012 #2

YUP! Marie Marie Aug 2012 #3

Yes Freddie Aug 2012 #4

Yes. redwitch Aug 2012 #5

Just to be clear, this didn't happen to me. NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #15

Sorry! redwitch Aug 2012 #45

According to text messages from Assange's sex patner.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #69

I will bet a million dollars the OP doesn't respond. nt Bonobo Aug 2012 #89

you lose. NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #121

Since my goal was to pressure you to respond, I actually feel like a winner. nt Bonobo Aug 2012 #123

Cool! then who gets the million dollars? NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #127

If I had it, I would give it to these guys: Bonobo Aug 2012 #131

I fully agree. nt NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #141

So if the victim doesn't fight back sufficiently hard in your opinion, the rape doesn't count? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #92

If I'm in bed with a guy I'm consensually sleeping with and he get's a hard on KoKo Aug 2012 #95

The condition given for previous sex was "use a condom". jeff47 Aug 2012 #100

He penetrated her while she was still asleep. By the time she asked him if he was wearing pnwmom Aug 2012 #106

There were two women, not one. pnwmom Aug 2012 #104

The time-line you describe does not match her official NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #120

You are wrong, the time-line matches perfectly reorg Aug 2012 #189

Totally doesn't surprise me! :( Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #83

Yes. Absolutely. nt frogmarch Aug 2012 #6

Rape. You have to have permission, be invited, for each penetration or sexual activity. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #7

Who is going to be standing there counting? How do you know which one KoKo Aug 2012 #97

I was taking the hypothetical of the OP in the most general sense, not related to the Assange case. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #99

Okay...I understand your "hypothetical" and would agree but...this seemed about Assange... KoKo Aug 2012 #102

In the Assange case... NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #109

I just edited my post subject line to you...btw... KoKo Aug 2012 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Robyn66 Aug 2012 #114

Rape,,,, WCGreen Aug 2012 #8

I would think he was an asshole and throw him out Marrah_G Aug 2012 #9

I'd kick his ass out the door and down the stairs Warpy Aug 2012 #14

Rape and the woman involved should press charges. theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #10

Agree 100%. WillowTree Aug 2012 #16

I like that a lot, WillowTree! "My body, My rules." calimary Aug 2012 #191

Yes, it's rape. n/t tammywammy Aug 2012 #11

Absolutely it's rape. Without consent, it's rape. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #12

. Inkfreak Aug 2012 #71

AMEN!!! The outrage over Assange is pretty creepy here on DU. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #84

Even his own colleague, the Stockholm Wikileaks coordinator pnwmom Aug 2012 #107

and he would know motre than anyone else why ? Swagman Aug 2012 #135

If Assange engaged in this kind of behavior with two women in one week, pnwmom Aug 2012 #137

why is OK for some on DU to think they know the truth of what went on? Swagman Aug 2012 #133

Probably, but then I probably would also pass on having sex Cleita Aug 2012 #13

Absolutely. gollygee Aug 2012 #17

exactly - the condom is less relevant than her being asleep spooky3 Aug 2012 #119

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #18

wtf seabeyond Aug 2012 #21

STD's can still be transmitted via oral sex. nt NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #24

sick... DURHAM D Aug 2012 #28

Do you have plans for the next couple of months? jberryhill Aug 2012 #31

WTF does that even mean? n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #46

spoiled little boy had to have his way without consideration to the woman. now whines seabeyond Aug 2012 #20

He has agreed to answer to go to Sweden to answer to the sex charges. Cleita Aug 2012 #23

Yes, and if only his story made a lick of sense, it might worth something jeff47 Aug 2012 #93

Isn't that what the UK is threatening to do? Cleita Aug 2012 #98

No, the UK is threatening to send him to Sweden. jeff47 Aug 2012 #103

your faith in US law is admirable eveb though there is the sticky problem of GITMO Swagman Aug 2012 #138

Why have fath in anyone, including Assange? jeff47 Aug 2012 #155

So what do you think about George Bush and Dick Cheney running around free Cleita Aug 2012 #162

I think they should be in jail jeff47 Aug 2012 #170

Since when does the accused get to set conditions like that? n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #110

can you give me anothe rexample of when a suspect is invited to another country for an interview? Swagman Aug 2012 #139

I don't think you understand what happened. It is normal in Europe pnwmom Aug 2012 #142

And I don't think you understand that he is willing to go to Sweden Cleita Aug 2012 #164

Sweden has extradition agreements with the US that could theoretically require them to do so -- pnwmom Aug 2012 #167

Exactly, but since our justice system, especially when in comes to covering Cleita Aug 2012 #188

The accused sets conditions like that all the time. Cleita Aug 2012 #161

so you were there were you? Swagman Aug 2012 #136

then send his ass back to sweden and let him face the charges like everyone else has to. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #143

Hell yes it's rape! nolabear Aug 2012 #22

Rape. Betrayal. And get tested. Katie Aug 2012 #25

it's not about rape. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #26

That's not what Stockholm's Wikileaks coordinator says. pnwmom Aug 2012 #111

I can see nothing about rape in that statement reorg Aug 2012 #179

The investigation he's referring to includes charges of rape, molestation, and assault. pnwmom Aug 2012 #180

He said nothing about rape reorg Aug 2012 #183

I don't agree with your slant. I think he's just using the Wikileaks situation pnwmom Aug 2012 #186

Unconsented to sex = rape. n/t Hepburn Aug 2012 #27

I'd tell him to put a condom on or pull out. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #29

I don't know if that is quite accurate. MADem Aug 2012 #36

There is nothing that I have stated about Miss W that your link contradicts. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #38

Did you read the entire discussion? There's additional material offered by the participants. MADem Aug 2012 #49

Miss W declined to sign the affidavit the very day she made her complaint... Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #51

She wanted him tested for STDs, and that still has not happened. MADem Aug 2012 #58

what on earth are you talking about? what have other cases got to do with this? Swagman Aug 2012 #140

You're funny. MADem Aug 2012 #147

That is exactly how I remember it. Live and Learn Aug 2012 #144

I think she was tricked reorg Aug 2012 #185

Yes. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #32

Very interesting replies. MADem Aug 2012 #33

With all due respect, this is a stupid question with Raven Aug 2012 #34

Raven, this has nothing to do with "generic rape." MADem Aug 2012 #50

+1 My thought too dear Raven. Highly questionable post content. BeHereNow Aug 2012 #62

The motive is clear. pnwmom Aug 2012 #116

Which makes it the perfect foil... BlueNinja Aug 2012 #150

Welcome to DU, BlueNinja! nt pnwmom Aug 2012 #157

Thanks for the welcome! BlueNinja Aug 2012 #159

Not a woman, but that is rape! Behind the Aegis Aug 2012 #35

I would consent to continuing the sex.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #37

Yes. At the very least, total disrespect for you as a human being. appleannie1 Aug 2012 #39

I would support what the woman said it was. If this is about Assange's case, both women said NO rape riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #40

What if it was the other way around? ErikJ Aug 2012 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author U4ikLefty Aug 2012 #61

Hell yes! Th1onein Aug 2012 #42

you present a strange case lunasun Aug 2012 #43

Thanks for that link JonLP24 Aug 2012 #67

*sigh*. We need better science education jeff47 Aug 2012 #96

I still find it strange JonLP24 Aug 2012 #163

It happens all the time in rape cases. jeff47 Aug 2012 #169

I was aware JonLP24 Aug 2012 #171

Rape onpatrol98 Aug 2012 #44

Absolutely. Saying "no, not unless you use a condom", means no. Zorra Aug 2012 #47

It would depend how I felt about it at the time it was happening LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #48

it's Rape JI7 Aug 2012 #52

Yes, it's rape ismnotwasm Aug 2012 #53

Don't you trolls have a meeting tonight? RagAss Aug 2012 #54

O_o Catherine Vincent Aug 2012 #55

That's rape. Isn't this what Assange accused of doing in one case? n/t vaberella Aug 2012 #56

No, this isn't what he is accused of doing obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #86

It would seem he was...link to a poster's comment below: vaberella Aug 2012 #91

It's rape with or without the condom TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #57

Rape bhikkhu Aug 2012 #59

assault w/ a deadly weapon. pansypoo53219 Aug 2012 #60

Yes. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #63

RAPE blueamy66 Aug 2012 #64

I'm usually pretty liberal about these things.... blueamy66 Aug 2012 #64

Would you consider it an international incident? me b zola Aug 2012 #66

yes if i was the victim of a rape, then i would want my government to get the asshole whatever it loli phabay Aug 2012 #75

Yes it is rape GObamaGO Aug 2012 #68

It is rape. MadrasT Aug 2012 #70

I have no patience with Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #72

... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #90

What if that person were considered a hero NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #73

Still rape. But if someone was coerced into alleging a rape, or Zorra Aug 2012 #78

Yes. n/t RebelOne Aug 2012 #74

Absolutely! No question. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2012 #76

No consent = rape no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #77

Yes it would be rape. However, only someone in a coma would not wake up upon penetration. notadmblnd Aug 2012 #79

And in fact, the person in Assange's case did wake up. Bonobo Aug 2012 #88

not true spooky3 Aug 2012 #122

Do tell. notadmblnd Aug 2012 #172

Interesting that you are now adding so many new conditions - and besides, spooky3 Aug 2012 #173

I said one would have to be in a coma not to wake up. I thought that would have pretty notadmblnd Aug 2012 #175

Having sex with a sleeping woman clydefrand Aug 2012 #80

Absolutely! First, he new my wishes. Second, he exposed me to a possible unwanted pregnancy. Third.. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #81

Not answering obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #85

Yes. MotherPetrie Aug 2012 #87

Yep. That's rape. And the law sees it that way, too, IIRC. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #94

that guy would end up without a penis Skittles Aug 2012 #101

Hmm...sex without my consent...let me think... cynatnite Aug 2012 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author Robyn66 Aug 2012 #108

It is rape whether he used a condom or not. If I was asleep/drunk/drugged Roselma Aug 2012 #113

Yes. But I have a question too... Pholus Aug 2012 #115

His colleague at the Stockholm Wikileaks thinks this should be treated pnwmom Aug 2012 #117

Well, it's not like this situation will go on forever. Pholus Aug 2012 #118

I would agree with him. NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #124

Figures. Just a drive-by cut-n-paste. Too bad. Pholus Aug 2012 #125

Obviously you don't know pnwmom, NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #128

OK if you say so. Pholus Aug 2012 #130

How is this relevent? There is no evidence that either NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #126

MLK was not having an affair with an FBI agent either. Pholus Aug 2012 #129

Has the US government ever used sex as a weapon . . . pnwmom Aug 2012 #134

You might be correct. Pholus Aug 2012 #145

Assange's also guilty of invading people's privacy. pnwmom Aug 2012 #146

Good thing he made that bad decision too.... Pholus Aug 2012 #148

I have a question for DUers Swagman Aug 2012 #132

It may be rape, but I doubt if even Clarence Darrow could get a conviction in this case. nt raccoon Aug 2012 #149

Are you serious? Duh. What do YOU think? catbyte Aug 2012 #151

yes Lebam in LA Aug 2012 #152

Yes. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #153

Yes. I'd consider that to be rape. MineralMan Aug 2012 #154

First, I suffer from insomnia and I want some of whatever you are using to get to sleep... renie408 Aug 2012 #156

How often do allegations of rape result in...? LanternWaste Aug 2012 #158

How is the US government involved? NCTraveler Aug 2012 #160

US govt. representatives requests he get prosecuted under Espoinage Act LanternWaste Aug 2012 #165

"How often do allegations of rape result in" NCTraveler Aug 2012 #168

Yep, that's rape Taverner Aug 2012 #166

they're called "women" not ladies datasuspect Aug 2012 #174

LOL lightcameron Aug 2012 #192

Defenetly RAPE. darkangel218 Aug 2012 #176

absolutely rape. AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #177

Which one gets you harder? luvspeas Aug 2012 #178

Yes, definitely. Mad_Dem_X Aug 2012 #181

I'm not a woman reorg Aug 2012 #182

Yes Karmasue Aug 2012 #184

Well, HELL yeah! Why even ASK?? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #187

Yes. ABSOLUTELY. calimary Aug 2012 #190

this is by far, the weirdest inane post I have ever seen on DU nt Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2012 #193