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Response to NashvilleLefty (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 10:51 PM

29. I'd tell him to put a condom on or pull out.

But no, I would not consider waking up to being penetrated by someone I had had sex with earlier "rape". With sex, there are all sorts of yes or no negotiations going on. The key is, for either partner, is the saying of "no". The scenario that you are alluding to in regards to Assange... the woman admits she consented, they joked about the unprotected sex afterward, she refused to sign the complaint alleging rape written by the interrogator, and has since refused to cooperate with the prosecution.

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193 replies	Author	Time	Post
I have a question for DU ladies. [View all]	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	OP
I'm a man. It's rape	BlueJazz	Aug 2012	#1
First post is the winner	REP	Aug 2012	#19
Yes, it most certainly IS. n/t	hlthe2b	Aug 2012	#30
+1,000,000,000!!!!!!!	Liberal_Stalwart71	Aug 2012	#82
Violated!	haikugal	Aug 2012	#2
YUP!	Marie Marie	Aug 2012	#3
Yes	Freddie	Aug 2012	#4
Yes.	redwitch	Aug 2012	#5
Just to be clear, this didn't happen to me.	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#15
Sorry!	redwitch	Aug 2012	#45
According to text messages from Assange's sex patner..	girl gone mad	Aug 2012	#69
I will bet a million dollars the OP doesn't respond. nt	Bonobo	Aug 2012	#89
you lose.	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#121
Since my goal was to pressure you to respond, I actually feel like a winner. nt	Bonobo	Aug 2012	#123
Cool! then who gets the million dollars?	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#127
If I had it, I would give it to these guys:	Bonobo	Aug 2012	#131
I fully agree. nt	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#141
So if the victim doesn't fight back sufficiently hard in your opinion, the rape doesn't count? (nt)	jeff47	Aug 2012	#92
If I'm in bed with a guy I'm consensually sleeping with and he get's a hard on	KoKo	Aug 2012	#95
The condition given for previous sex was "use a condom".	jeff47	Aug 2012	#100
He penetrated her while she was still asleep. By the time she asked him if he was wearing	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#106
There were two women, not one.	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#104
The time-line you describe does not match her official	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#120
You are wrong, the time-line matches perfectly	reorg	Aug 2012	#189
Totally doesn't surprise me! :(	Liberal_Stalwart71	Aug 2012	#83
Yes. Absolutely. nt	frogmarch	Aug 2012	#6
Rape. You have to have permission, be invited, for each penetration or sexual activity.	NYC_SKP	Aug 2012	#7
Who is going to be standing there counting? How do you know which one	KoKo	Aug 2012	#97
I was taking the hypothetical of the OP in the most general sense, not related to the Assange case.	NYC_SKP	Aug 2012	#99
Okay...I understand your "hypothetical" and would agree but...this seemed about Assange...	KoKo	Aug 2012	#102
In the Assange case...	NYC_SKP	Aug 2012	#109
I just edited my post subject line to you...btw...	KoKo	Aug 2012	#112
This message was self-deleted by its author	Robyn66	Aug 2012	#114
Rape,,,,	WCGreen	Aug 2012	#8
I would think he was an asshole and throw him out	Marrah_G	Aug 2012	#9
I'd kick his ass out the door and down the stairs	Warpy	Aug 2012	#14
Rape and the woman involved should press charges.	theinquisitivechad	Aug 2012	#10
Agree 100%.	WillowTree	Aug 2012	#16
I like that a lot, WillowTree! "My body, My rules."	calimary	Aug 2012	#191
Yes, it's rape. n/t	tammywammy	Aug 2012	#11
Absolutely it's rape. Without consent, it's rape.	progressivebydesign	Aug 2012	#12
.	Inkfreak	Aug 2012	#71
AMEN!!! The outrage over Assange is pretty creepy here on DU.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Aug 2012	#84
Even his own colleague, the Stockholm Wikileaks coordinator	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#107
and he would know motre than anyone else why ?	Swagman	Aug 2012	#135
If Assange engaged in this kind of behavior with two women in one week,	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#137
why is OK for some on DU to think they know the truth of what went on?	Swagman	Aug 2012	#133
Probably, but then I probably would also pass on having sex	Cleita	Aug 2012	#13
Absolutely.	gollygee	Aug 2012	#17
exactly - the condom is less relevant than her being asleep	spooky3	Aug 2012	#119
This post was hidden by jury decision.	deaniac21	Aug 2012	#18
wtf	seabeyond	Aug 2012	#21
STD's can still be transmitted via oral sex. nt	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#24
sick...	DURHAM D	Aug 2012	#28
Do you have plans for the next couple of months?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#31
WTF does that even mean? n/t	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#46
spoiled little boy had to have his way without consideration to the woman. now whines	seabeyond	Aug 2012	#20
He has agreed to answer to go to Sweden to answer to the sex charges.	Cleita	Aug 2012	#23
Yes, and if only his story made a lick of sense, it might worth something	jeff47	Aug 2012	#93
Isn't that what the UK is threatening to do?	Cleita	Aug 2012	#98
No, the UK is threatening to send him to Sweden.	jeff47	Aug 2012	#103
your faith in US law is admirable eveb though there is the sticky problem of GITMO	Swagman	Aug 2012	#138
Why have fath in anyone, including Assange?	jeff47	Aug 2012	#155
So what do you think about George Bush and Dick Cheney running around free	Cleita	Aug 2012	#162
I think they should be in jail	jeff47	Aug 2012	#170
Since when does the accused get to set conditions like that? n/t	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#110
can you give me anothe rexample of when a suspect is invited to another country for an interview?	Swagman	Aug 2012	#139
I don't think you understand what happened. It is normal in Europe	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#142
And I don't think you understand that he is willing to go to Sweden	Cleita	Aug 2012	#164
Sweden has extradition agreements with the US that could theoretically require them to do so --	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#167
Exactly, but since our justice system, especially when in comes to covering	Cleita	Aug 2012	#188
The accused sets conditions like that all the time.	Cleita	Aug 2012	#161
so you were there were you?	Swagman	Aug 2012	#136
then send his ass back to sweden and let him face the charges like everyone else has to. nt	seabeyond	Aug 2012	#143
Hell yes it's rape!	nolabear	Aug 2012	#22
Rape. Betrayal. And get tested.	Katie	Aug 2012	#25
it's not about rape.	HiPointDem	Aug 2012	#26
That's not what Stockholm's Wikileaks coordinator says.	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#111
I can see nothing about rape in that statement	reorg	Aug 2012	#179
The investigation he's referring to includes charges of rape, molestation, and assault.	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#180
He said nothing about rape	reorg	Aug 2012	#183
I don't agree with your slant. I think he's just using the Wikileaks situation	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#186
Unconsented to sex = rape. n/t	Hepburn	Aug 2012	#27
I'd tell him to put a condom on or pull out.	Luminous Animal	Aug 2012	#29
I don't know if that is quite accurate.	MADem	Aug 2012	#36
There is nothing that I have stated about Miss W that your link contradicts.	Luminous Animal	Aug 2012	#38
Did you read the entire discussion? There's additional material offered by the participants.	MADem	Aug 2012	#49
Miss W declined to sign the affidavit the very day she made her complaint...	Luminous Animal	Aug 2012	#51
She wanted him tested for STDs, and that still has not happened.	MADem	Aug 2012	#58
what on earth are you talking about? what have other cases got to do with this?	Swagman	Aug 2012	#140
You're funny.	MADem	Aug 2012	#147
That is exactly how I remember it.	Live and Learn	Aug 2012	#144
I think she was tricked	reorg	Aug 2012	#185
Yes.	Zoeisright	Aug 2012	#32
Very interesting replies.	MADem	Aug 2012	#33
With all due respect, this is a stupid question with	Raven	Aug 2012	#34
Raven, this has nothing to do with "generic rape."	MADem	Aug 2012	#50
+1 My thought too dear Raven. Highly questionable post content.	BeHereNow	Aug 2012	#62
The motive is clear.	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#116
Which makes it the perfect foil...	BlueNinja	Aug 2012	#150
Welcome to DU, BlueNinja! nt	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#157
Thanks for the welcome!	BlueNinja	Aug 2012	#159
Not a woman, but that is rape!	Behind the Aegis	Aug 2012	#35
I would consent to continuing the sex..	girl gone mad	Aug 2012	#37
Yes. At the very least, total disrespect for you as a human being.	appleannie1	Aug 2012	#39
I would support what the woman said it was. If this is about Assange's case, both women said NO rape	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#40
What if it was the other way around?	ErikJ	Aug 2012	#41
This message was self-deleted by its author	U4ikLefty	Aug 2012	#61
Hell yes!	Th1onein	Aug 2012	#42
you present a strange case	lunasun	Aug 2012	#43
Thanks for that link	JonLP24	Aug 2012	#67
sigh. We need better science education	jeff47	Aug 2012	#96
I still find it strange	JonLP24	Aug 2012	#163
It happens all the time in rape cases.	jeff47	Aug 2012	#169
I was aware	JonLP24	Aug 2012	#171
Rape	onpatrol98	Aug 2012	#44
Absolutely. Saying "no, not unless you use a condom", means no.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#47
It would depend how I felt about it at the time it was happening	LadyHawkAZ	Aug 2012	#48
it's Rape	JI7	Aug 2012	#52
Yes, it's rape	ismnotwasm	Aug 2012	#53
Don't you trolls have a meeting tonight?	RagAss	Aug 2012	#54
O_o	Catherine Vincent	Aug 2012	#55
That's rape. Isn't this what Assange accused of doing in one case? n/t	vaberella	Aug 2012	#56
No, this isn't what he is accused of doing	obamanut2012	Aug 2012	#86
It would seem he was...link to a poster's comment below:	vaberella	Aug 2012	#91
It's rape with or without the condom	TorchTheWitch	Aug 2012	#57
Rape	bhikkhu	Aug 2012	#59
assault w/ a deadly weapon.	pansypoo53219	Aug 2012	#60
Yes.	Blue_In_AK	Aug 2012	#63
RAPE	blueamy66	Aug 2012	#64
I'm usually pretty liberal about these things....	blueamy66	Aug 2012	#64
Would you consider it an international incident?	me b zola	Aug 2012	#66
yes if i was the victim of a rape, then i would want my government to get the asshole whatever it	loli phabay	Aug 2012	#75
Yes it is rape	GObamaGO	Aug 2012	#68
It is rape.	MadrasT	Aug 2012	#70
I have no patience with	Le Taz Hot	Aug 2012	#72
...	SammyWinstonJack	Aug 2012	#90
What if that person were considered a hero	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#73
Still rape. But if someone was coerced into alleging a rape, or	Zorra	Aug 2012	#78
Yes. n/t	RebelOne	Aug 2012	#74
Absolutely! No question.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Aug 2012	#76
No consent = rape	no_hypocrisy	Aug 2012	#77
Yes it would be rape. However, only someone in a coma would not wake up upon penetration.	notadmblnd	Aug 2012	#79
And in fact, the person in Assange's case did wake up.	Bonobo	Aug 2012	#88
not true	spooky3	Aug 2012	#122
Do tell.	notadmblnd	Aug 2012	#172
Interesting that you are now adding so many new conditions - and besides,	spooky3	Aug 2012	#173
I said one would have to be in a coma not to wake up. I thought that would have pretty	notadmblnd	Aug 2012	#175
Having sex with a sleeping woman	clydefrand	Aug 2012	#80
Absolutely! First, he new my wishes. Second, he exposed me to a possible unwanted pregnancy. Third..	Liberal_Stalwart71	Aug 2012	#81
Not answering	obamanut2012	Aug 2012	#85
Yes.	MotherPetrie	Aug 2012	#87
Yep. That's rape. And the law sees it that way, too, IIRC.	kestrel91316	Aug 2012	#94
that guy would end up without a penis	Skittles	Aug 2012	#101
Hmm...sex without my consent...let me think...	cynatnite	Aug 2012	#105
This message was self-deleted by its author	Robyn66	Aug 2012	#108
It is rape whether he used a condom or not. If I was asleep/drunk/drugged	Roselma	Aug 2012	#113
Yes. But I have a question too...	Pholus	Aug 2012	#115
His colleague at the Stockholm Wikileaks thinks this should be treated	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#117
Well, it's not like this situation will go on forever.	Pholus	Aug 2012	#118
I would agree with him.	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#124
Figures. Just a drive-by cut-n-paste. Too bad.	Pholus	Aug 2012	#125
Obviously you don't know pnwmom,	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#128
OK if you say so.	Pholus	Aug 2012	#130
How is this relevent? There is no evidence that either	NashvilleLefty	Aug 2012	#126
MLK was not having an affair with an FBI agent either.	Pholus	Aug 2012	#129
Has the US government ever used sex as a weapon . . .	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#134
You might be correct.	Pholus	Aug 2012	#145
Assange's also guilty of invading people's privacy.	pnwmom	Aug 2012	#146
Good thing he made that bad decision too....	Pholus	Aug 2012	#148
I have a question for DUers	Swagman	Aug 2012	#132
It may be rape, but I doubt if even Clarence Darrow could get a conviction in this case. nt	raccoon	Aug 2012	#149
Are you serious? Duh. What do YOU think?	catbyte	Aug 2012	#151
yes	Lebam in LA	Aug 2012	#152
Yes.	AngryOldDem	Aug 2012	#153
Yes. I'd consider that to be rape.	MineralMan	Aug 2012	#154
First, I suffer from insomnia and I want some of whatever you are using to get to sleep...	renie408	Aug 2012	#156
How often do allegations of rape result in...?	LanternWaste	Aug 2012	#158
How is the US government involved?	NCTraveler	Aug 2012	#160
US govt. representatives requests he get prosecuted under Espoinage Act	LanternWaste	Aug 2012	#165
"How often do allegations of rape result in"	NCTraveler	Aug 2012	#168
Yep, that's rape	Taverner	Aug 2012	#166
they're called "women" not ladies	datasuspect	Aug 2012	#174
LOL	lightcameron	Aug 2012	#192
Defenetly RAPE.	darkangel218	Aug 2012	#176
absolutely rape.	AsahinaKimi	Aug 2012	#177
Which one gets you harder?	luvspeas	Aug 2012	#178
Yes, definitely.	Mad_Dem_X	Aug 2012	#181
I'm not a woman	reorg	Aug 2012	#182
Yes	Karmasue	Aug 2012	#184
Well, HELL yeah! Why even ASK??	WinkyDink	Aug 2012	#187
Yes. ABSOLUTELY.	calimary	Aug 2012	#190
this is by far, the weirdest inane post I have ever seen on DU nt	Laura PourMeADrink	Aug 2012	#193

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