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msanthrope

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96. Well, I kinda like a rape allegation being pursued. nt

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For those who talk of 'just a split condom': One Assange allegation is rape, in the UK [View all] muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 OP

Just to clear it up a little more Marrah_G Aug 2012 #1

So?...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #8

That doesn't make it less of a rape. She didn't consent, pnwmom Aug 2012 #18

I didn't say it made it any less rape Marrah_G Aug 2012 #26

I don't remember if I've ever seen her statement, but both things could be true. pnwmom Aug 2012 #69

and every word they say are true...I think at least one of them already changed movonne Aug 2012 #59

How do you know one of them wasn't intimidated by outsiders to change her story? n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #71

Why does that have to be so? treestar Aug 2012 #119

Except that Assange's extradition isn't really about "rape" at all. ananda Aug 2012 #2

If it was not 'really about "rape" at all', something would have happened before the rape allegation muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #3

since when did the us/uk extradite & storm embassies over rape charges. it's just laughable. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #4

it's worse than that. there are no charges, just allegations. cali Aug 2012 #7

Valid warrant, and I've listed the four charges below. He should msanthrope Aug 2012 #13

But cop-killers get a walk... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #121

He refused to be interviewed, which they needed to do before they charged him. pnwmom Aug 2012 #23

Theres no reason he cant be interviewed in the embassy. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #31

Yes--there is a reason. msanthrope Aug 2012 #44

You don't give a reason why he can't be interviewed where he's at uponit7771 Aug 2012 #50

Because there is no reason. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #58

Let me try again--fugitives are returned to the relevant jurisdiction msanthrope Aug 2012 #65

Oh yeah, the UK has a long history of returning fugitives to their relevant jurisdiction... riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #72

Hey..I agree Pinochet should have been returned. But letting Pinochet go doesn't msanthrope Aug 2012 #78

But the UK can and does. Murderers, spies, arms dealers and other international "criminals" riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #92

Well, I kinda like a rape allegation being pursued. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #96

If that's what this was really about, I'd 100% agree. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #102

The warrant is for questioning, I understand? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #93

No. Apparently the British court thinks it's for prosecution. msanthrope Aug 2012 #95

Then if he steps outside the embassy, onto British soil, HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #107

Actually, I don't think the Swedes should do anything. msanthrope Aug 2012 #108

Typically, that is what happens. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #110

Boom SnohoDem Aug 2012 #115

Especially since ovatures to answer the charges have been rejected. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #116

Who thinks that? It's British exceptionalism, pure and simple.... msanthrope Aug 2012 #11

2 years in British courts? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #25

Extradition over rape charges? Frequently muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #15

yeah, for people like roman polanski. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #32

Poor Roman Polanski....raped a 13 year-old, still is 'persecuted.' msanthrope Aug 2012 #45

So the problem there is a program that detains people indefinitely muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #62

Pentagon Plans Indefinite Detention of Bradley Manning (Video & Transcript) HiPointDem Aug 2012 #64

Um...dude. You realize that Manning isn't at Quantico? He was moved over a year ago msanthrope Aug 2012 #76

ignoring that member for good reason i'm sure HiPointDem Aug 2012 #87

Are you ignoring me again? Still doesn't change the fact that msanthrope Aug 2012 #97

That's the problem right there Aerows Aug 2012 #122

No one "knows" that, including you. You weren't there. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #19

At best a flawed hero. Robb Aug 2012 #5

I'm going to say something that will surely be unpopular cali Aug 2012 #6

Yeah. Why did Anita Hill continue to work with Clarence Thomas? Why didn't she just..... msanthrope Aug 2012 #10

that's different. cali Aug 2012 #22

Right. Because Assange is a 'lefty' and Clarence Thomas is not. msanthrope Aug 2012 #28

Reasonable doubt exist for a .....reason uponit7771 Aug 2012 #53

Which is why he should go to Sweden, face the charges, and plead his case. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #55

Here's the problem Aerows Aug 2012 #117

Maybe it was a set up Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #16

Would your opinion differ if you had told him when you picked him up to use a condom for safety? Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #17

Some people are very heavy sleepers even without alcohol (which could have been involved). pnwmom Aug 2012 #27

are you effing kidding? Rape is rape. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #39

happened to me... Londoncalling Aug 2012 #86

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #120

happened to me too and more than once TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #128

No shit. Another thing, the woman cited in the OP refused to sign the statement as written by the Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #98

Wait... Aerows Aug 2012 #124

It's not up to her to drop "charges" that she never made. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #125

I'm confused Aerows Aug 2012 #127

Here's all four charges Muriel.... msanthrope Aug 2012 #9

But one of the women recanted her "rape" allegation Generic Other Aug 2012 #12

No. She didn't 'recant.' If she had, don't you think Assange's lawyers might have msanthrope Aug 2012 #20

She was quoted at the time by the Guardian Generic Other Aug 2012 #33

The Guardian? Did they interview her??? msanthrope Aug 2012 #35

But if the victim has previously been quoted denying she was a victim Generic Other Aug 2012 #60

That is important to Assange's defense. The one he mounts in Sweden. msanthrope Aug 2012 #66

Why would Sweden guarantee the safety of someone who is not their citizen? randome Aug 2012 #68

The crime is embarassing the US Generic Other Aug 2012 #80

That's nothing to the US treestar Aug 2012 #123

Well I am not a lawyer so I may get the language wrong... Generic Other Aug 2012 #43

Again, you got a court cite for that, or more British tabloid speculation? msanthrope Aug 2012 #46

I just took it from the link you gave me Generic Other Aug 2012 #61

Where??? And please, take the time to read and distinguish between msanthrope Aug 2012 #70

You asked if it was brought up in the court papers Generic Other Aug 2012 #83

Where in the court papers? Quote it. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #84

PAGE 24 Generic Other Aug 2012 #85

That's a defense allegation, unproven, as the judge notes on page 26. msanthrope Aug 2012 #91

I was asked if Assange's lawyers had brought it up in court Generic Other Aug 2012 #106

If this was a republican right winger of any sort everybody would be all over the rape charges- snooper2 Aug 2012 #14

Rape apologia for Assange, DSK, Polanski....apparently msanthrope Aug 2012 #24

How quickly we believe the powers that be... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #30

Why don't you, and show us what you mean? nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #36

ah discredit the victim. nice. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #42

No kidding... they'd be screaming for his head. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #41

And if it was Obama, everyone would be defending him. n/t girl gone mad Aug 2012 #63

Me too Londoncalling Aug 2012 #89

and then there is the reason all these countries are after him Enrique Aug 2012 #21

...right, that little tidbit thrown in puts reasonable doubt on the TIMING of the allegations uponit7771 Aug 2012 #56

Unrec...google the woman who is making the allegation.. joeybee12 Aug 2012 #29

That is what Hermain Cane said. n/t vaberella Aug 2012 #40

Because whenever a woman alleges rape, the first thing to do is to go after the woman. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #51

whenever a woman blogs about "7 Steps to Legal Revenge" against cheating lovers.. frylock Aug 2012 #104

so he has been found guilty? guilty on DU already without a trial. nice nt msongs Aug 2012 #34

Do you understand the meanign of 'allegation'? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #37

The court of public opinion doesn't.... NCTraveler Aug 2012 #38

Perhaps you misunderstood the OP? I don't see where he said that. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #47

He at the Ecuador embassy Aerows Aug 2012 #126

Has he been formally charged yet or was the red notice just for questioning? ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #48

The Swedish process is not directly comparable to the process in the UK: this was one of the struggle4progress Aug 2012 #111

Either (1) obvious pretext or (2) a bona fide rape prosecution unrelated to leaks re AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #49

Total Disinformation all the time! Bragi Aug 2012 #52

+1, I think bottom line this is what an objective observer would look at...MIC big time... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #54

This case is about "rape" just like Clinton's impeachment was about "perjury" riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #57

clinton dared to challenge the ptb? hardly. it's about one group of political/economic 1%-ers HiPointDem Aug 2012 #67

Fine, doesn't change it though. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #74

clinton joined their ranks before entering the WH. that's how he got into the WH. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #75

The supposed rape victims were CIA "honeytraps". FarCenter Aug 2012 #73

Sure they were. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #77

I doubt it LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #114

Thank You Londoncalling Aug 2012 #79

Julian Assange Asylum: Ecuador is Right to Stand Up to the US xchrom Aug 2012 #81

Problems with the EAW for Julian Assange xchrom Aug 2012 #82

Of course Assange's lawyers challenged every single aspect of the EAW. That's their job! randome Aug 2012 #88

They lost those arguments at every level struggle4progress Aug 2012 #112

ecuador says he has not been charged with a crime xchrom Aug 2012 #90

re Correa and media tama Aug 2012 #109

The Swedish process is not directly comparable to the UK process. The UK courts held struggle4progress Aug 2012 #113

from 2010: Q&A: Julian Assange allegations xchrom Aug 2012 #94

Here's the charges...and the determination that the warrant is for prosecution. msanthrope Aug 2012 #99

the country that wants him has not charged him with a crime. xchrom Aug 2012 #100

Julian Assange's right to asylum xchrom Aug 2012 #101

... xchrom Aug 2012 #103

Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange frylock Aug 2012 #105

He should face up to that rather than hiding behind treestar Aug 2012 #118