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redqueen

(115,096 posts)
75. I trust that most DUers are aware of the MRA hate groups.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:43 PM
Aug 2012

They're really fond of hawking "false rape" claims too (kinda like the right wing flogs the voter fraud crap). Not everyone in this thread is spewing those talking points. It's not hard to see who is saying what. I have a low tolerance for hate group talking points so this is all the explanations you'll get.

LOL, this can't be real. Marinedem Aug 2012 #1
This has been going on Down Under for a while rocktivity Aug 2012 #2
Right. I'm sure plenty of women would be equally offended. pa28 Aug 2012 #32
Discrimination? redqueen Aug 2012 #3
How? Marinedem Aug 2012 #4
No, the woman's role is more along of lines of rocktivity Aug 2012 #5
^^^^^This is the correct answer.. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #148
Yes, discrimination. EOTE Aug 2012 #7
Bathroom issues? loyalsister Aug 2012 #8
But they moved men away from boys, too. That's in the OP. SnohoDem Aug 2012 #108
Why should a stranger be made to babysit for a kid??? obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #157
If a child is too young to use the bathroom on his or her own... bunnies Aug 2012 #159
you are on the wrong side of this issue.. snooper2 Aug 2012 #15
It is per se discrimination AngryAmish Aug 2012 #20
Good point. redqueen Aug 2012 #21
If the specific minor had said "I don't want to sit next to a man", that would be one thing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #27
Somehow I didn't see the issue of being asked to change seats redqueen Aug 2012 #28
"It really is unfortunate that women and children feel unsafe so often in public." 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #34
"This would never be done to a woman." MadrasT Aug 2012 #38
What's really funny is that some Airlines now are making families pay extra to sit together Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #40
I didn't see anything about child care. redqueen Aug 2012 #43
Yes I'm sure it's very traumatic to the women to reinforce the notion that they never hurt kids 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #47
Honestly anything that imposes a cultural gendered stereotype on me traumatizes me. MadrasT Aug 2012 #66
I agree entirely with your last point 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #70
I didn't say it traumatizes "women" as a group. MadrasT Aug 2012 #79
Exactly. HappyMe Aug 2012 #49
I disagree that it's based on hearsay or people being told who to fear. redqueen Aug 2012 #41
Every bigot can cite stats 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #50
I get a post hidden for saying "WTF", you get away with calling me a bigot redqueen Aug 2012 #69
I don't know the details but I suspect you didn't get a post hidden 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #73
lol... opiate69 Aug 2012 #81
The basis of the airlines rule is inarguably predjudicial. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #126
This isn't about "comfort." A child who is molested experiences a far greater trauma pnwmom Aug 2012 #145
Fine. All us molesters can be escorted to first class while you do your protective duties. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #147
That would be a fair response 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #151
Since we're in full-blown stereotype mode... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #152
Brilliant! 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #154
The trauma of being killed in a terrorist act is far greater than the trauma 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #150
Protection from whom? You want to move this person into a seat next to a 12 year old boy? stevenleser Aug 2012 #165
But why would they do it in a plane, right there in public, even if they are pedophiles? treestar Aug 2012 #174
All good points too. It is a crazy policy. Even pedophiles, who cannot generally stop their behavior stevenleser Aug 2012 #175
Because they can. pnwmom Aug 2012 #186
Maybe put the unaccompanied minors together then? treestar Aug 2012 #189
Airlines used to provide extra protection by assigning a specific attendant the task Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #166
Women can molest, too. I think the airlines really just want female passengers to babysit. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #191
Check the stats for terrorist hijackings. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #128
New policy.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #181
No. Unless I'm given clear data pointing specifically to a causality LanternWaste Aug 2012 #51
Could you cite stats to support the need for such a policy? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #55
Er, "post-hoc-ergo-prompter-hoc"... Is that just as wrong, but quicker? Romulox Aug 2012 #137
Maybe. But it's also because a certain group of men pnwmom Aug 2012 #103
Some black people make some white people uncomfortable 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #127
Thanks for showing, with your example, how different the situations are. pnwmom Aug 2012 #138
And how often are unaccompanied minors molested by males flying alone 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #142
And it especially only has to happen once, when there's a huge payout. pnwmom Aug 2012 #146
From your article: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #149
That's about on a par with the "voter fraud" the Repukes hifiguy Aug 2012 #176
Ah but according to the totally fair, in no way fearmongering article posted: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #178
Well played. Well played indeed. hifiguy Aug 2012 #179
Apparently, this can be traced back to an incident involving a Ugandan man and a 13 yr. old girl on Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #37
"Look, we're not saying all africans are molesters 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #129
If we're going more by the numbers 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #33
I wouldn't want my white daughter sitting next to a black man The Straight Story Aug 2012 #135
I don't want any muslims on my flights 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #144
Comfort, eh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #183
Makes sense statistically. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #6
Unreasonable searches are another issue. Asking someone to switch seats... redqueen Aug 2012 #10
That's the point. I don't consider it "unreasonable". Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #14
Search = invasive. redqueen Aug 2012 #18
It's a form of humiliation Scootaloo Aug 2012 #26
Yes, inconvenient and embarrassing. But also understandable. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #30
The odds of a random anyone being a sexual predator are ludicrously small Scootaloo Aug 2012 #101
No, it isn't. redqueen Aug 2012 #31
"Men aren't being asked to move because they're considered less than." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #83
No, they're being asked to move because they are assumed to be dangers to children Scootaloo Aug 2012 #102
How many women have been involved in acts of airline terrorism? Doesn't that suggest who should... GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #65
the problem with profiling terrorists is that it assumes a static dsc Aug 2012 #16
I would hope that if Al Qaeda starts reaching out to Kansas grandmothers Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #22
well admittedly I am leaving the Kansas part out dsc Aug 2012 #25
Everyone who engages in discriminatory behavior can cite stats to justify it 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #35
I don't object to sensible and reasonable precautions. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #39
How often does this actually happen though? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #56
You should know by now, 4thLOR hifiguy Aug 2012 #71
If we're going by statisics, then we shouldn't allow minors to sit with male relatives, NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #89
Only if unaccompanied minors ON PLANES were more likely to be abused by men ON PLANES. sibelian Aug 2012 #116
Well . . . . HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #9
Disgusting. hifiguy Aug 2012 #11
Sexist bullshit HappyMe Aug 2012 #12
Not "assuming that all men are molesters". Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #19
Try this: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #36
I do see your point. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #48
The act itself isn't a huge deal 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #52
What about the statistical risk to women? pintobean Aug 2012 #42
+1 sarcasmo Aug 2012 #68
How strange... MineralMan Aug 2012 #13
The danger of "stranger danger" FightForMichigan Aug 2012 #17
Thank you for posting (and welcome to DU). I'm surprised that many of our coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #60
+1 leftstreet Aug 2012 #84
That point certainly makes a mockery of this policy. Prometheus Bound Aug 2012 #85
I don't like it. MadrasT Aug 2012 #23
Men are inherently a bunch of evil predators, don't you know? <sarcasm alert> Zalatix Aug 2012 #24
I agree with the above poster that this can't be real Warpy Aug 2012 #29
I love the double standard unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #44
I guess one hundred thousand years of male dominance has finally come back to kick us in the ass... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #59
Yeah, the horror. pnwmom Aug 2012 #104
So you're cool with sitting next to all the unaccompanied kids, then. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #193
Easy fix. SoCalDem Aug 2012 #45
How about men only flights The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #46
And women get stuck with all the screaming brats? Warpy Aug 2012 #54
This is interesting. Panasonic Aug 2012 #53
they shouldn't let us sit behind children either Enrique Aug 2012 #57
Hah! Thread-winner for sure! - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #61
I could actually get on board with this 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #63
Hey, I Once Sat Next to an Unaccompanied Minor On the Road Aug 2012 #88
The amount of MRA talking points in this thread is unreal. redqueen Aug 2012 #58
... opiate69 Aug 2012 #64
Is that outlier the Russian judge? hifiguy Aug 2012 #77
Da, Tovarish! opiate69 Aug 2012 #80
Doug! Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #95
That's full of awesome! opiate69 Aug 2012 #98
Hurl a generic insult at anyone who disagrees 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #74
I trust that most DUers are aware of the MRA hate groups. redqueen Aug 2012 #75
You support discrimination based on gender 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #76
It seems that redqueen, from my observation unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #86
As you SHOULD know, it has always been inappropriate at D.U. to call out DU'ers by name. Judi Lynn Aug 2012 #91
Okay, well, certain members who shall remain nameless seem to really enjoy using character Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #94
That ended with DU2. No posts are hidden for that anymore. nt stevenleser Aug 2012 #168
Yeah, I agree.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #180
Hey Joe, got a list? FlyinButter Aug 2012 #188
ALERTING - The reckless and haphazard way you throw around that accusation needs to stop. stevenleser Aug 2012 #167
For Jeebus' sake Steven, hifiguy Aug 2012 #177
Yeah, exactly. Normally I wouldnt care. They can be as resistent as they want... stevenleser Aug 2012 #182
The double standards would be somewhat amusing hifiguy Aug 2012 #187
So glad I don't have to fly anymore. I used to have to several times a week but anymore, to RKP5637 Aug 2012 #62
IMO This should be cross posted to the Mens Group HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #67
Sexist in both directions. Utterly ridiculous. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #72
I think part of it is the way it was handled gvstn Aug 2012 #78
When I was a little kid of four or five, adults would routinely pat my head aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #82
I was born in 1986, But I'm from a small town, so... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #97
I've seen fear and suspicion of others grow for years. rad51 Aug 2012 #107
Hey, my kid is 25 and he grew up in the 80s and 90's cali Aug 2012 #109
There is no more child rape or molestation now than then obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #160
The children should be in cages, below deck with the dogs and cats. hunter Aug 2012 #87
I can see both sides of this gollygee Aug 2012 #90
Racial Profiling is wrong, but Genital Profiling is okay? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #92
Seriously, again: OTHER airlines are trying to make parents pay extra to sit with their OWN kids. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #93
I would refuse to do it obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #161
It's legal CYA. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #96
Then how is it Airlines like United are trying to make families w/ little kids PAY to sit together? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #100
The difference is money. Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #113
On reflection, I think that my initial reaction (that this is justified) was wrong. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #99
Why only single men? Fumesucker Aug 2012 #105
"Predators are now free to move about the cabin." I think this is a reasonable response pnwmom Aug 2012 #106
If you're going to have the policy, and the policy isn't a big deal The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #110
Or make it against company policy to let HappyMe Aug 2012 #111
But of course, as usual, that's where the complications start The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #112
Unaccompanied minors can fly on the family plane. HappyMe Aug 2012 #114
If men are going to be that sensitive probably they shouldn't fly. pnwmom Aug 2012 #117
It's the reason for being asked The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #122
Oh yeah, right. Free tickets for men, because it's such a huge inconvenience for them pnwmom Aug 2012 #115
That response is disgraceful and insulting. sibelian Aug 2012 #118
Figure out the seating arrangement before the flight boards The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #119
This seems sensible enough. I suppose there would be times when it won't work, like GreenPartyVoter Aug 2012 #123
The policy sucks. I don't want to sit next to an unaccompanied child because TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #133
Discrimination is never reasonable SpartanDem Aug 2012 #130
I don't think this is comparable. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #136
It's a classic case of "But it's not MY ox that's being gored." No real logic to this argument. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #140
Of course not 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #143
What a great idea! Every woman who boards the plane should be paired up with a kid. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #141
Then maybe children should not be allowed to fly unaccompanied. kiva Aug 2012 #169
The article strained to find 10 cases in over 20 years 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #172
If, as the defenders(who are mostly women) say unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #120
That doesn't mesh with their points system. sibelian Aug 2012 #121
Right... unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #124
It really couldn't possibly be a more clear cut case of simple bigotry. sibelian Aug 2012 #132
Hey, I'm a woman and I'm not defending this. HappyMe Aug 2012 #125
Additionally most children are abused by relatives 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #131
This is so wrong Whisp Aug 2012 #134
Statistically, the person most likely to molest any particular child is their guardian or parent. Romulox Aug 2012 #139
I thought it discrimination when I first read about it obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #153
Thank you 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #156
Please edit or delete this, it is inaccurate. MadrasT Aug 2012 #170
Alright "some members" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #171
This is idiotic get the red out Aug 2012 #155
I have to fly around the first of the year. HappyMe Aug 2012 #162
I don't agree with this law Politicalboi Aug 2012 #158
Nothing to add. Iggo Aug 2012 #163
That's almost as bad as being called a pedophile because you like shaved beaver slutticus Aug 2012 #164
If a man likes that look *and* flies without a female guardian 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #173
I would hope someone sues LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #184
Someone's going to be rich soon, at Virgin Australia's expense Sick of the GOP Aug 2012 #185
I think unaccompanied kids should be seated next to stewards. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #190
I'll go one better: Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #192
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