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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. Not "assuming that all men are molesters".
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:36 PM
Aug 2012

Just minimizing the statistical risk to the child. Which, as a man, I do not object to.

LOL, this can't be real. Marinedem Aug 2012 #1
This has been going on Down Under for a while rocktivity Aug 2012 #2
Right. I'm sure plenty of women would be equally offended. pa28 Aug 2012 #32
Discrimination? redqueen Aug 2012 #3
How? Marinedem Aug 2012 #4
No, the woman's role is more along of lines of rocktivity Aug 2012 #5
^^^^^This is the correct answer.. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #148
Yes, discrimination. EOTE Aug 2012 #7
Bathroom issues? loyalsister Aug 2012 #8
But they moved men away from boys, too. That's in the OP. SnohoDem Aug 2012 #108
Why should a stranger be made to babysit for a kid??? obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #157
If a child is too young to use the bathroom on his or her own... bunnies Aug 2012 #159
you are on the wrong side of this issue.. snooper2 Aug 2012 #15
It is per se discrimination AngryAmish Aug 2012 #20
Good point. redqueen Aug 2012 #21
If the specific minor had said "I don't want to sit next to a man", that would be one thing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #27
Somehow I didn't see the issue of being asked to change seats redqueen Aug 2012 #28
"It really is unfortunate that women and children feel unsafe so often in public." 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #34
"This would never be done to a woman." MadrasT Aug 2012 #38
What's really funny is that some Airlines now are making families pay extra to sit together Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #40
I didn't see anything about child care. redqueen Aug 2012 #43
Yes I'm sure it's very traumatic to the women to reinforce the notion that they never hurt kids 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #47
Honestly anything that imposes a cultural gendered stereotype on me traumatizes me. MadrasT Aug 2012 #66
I agree entirely with your last point 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #70
I didn't say it traumatizes "women" as a group. MadrasT Aug 2012 #79
Exactly. HappyMe Aug 2012 #49
I disagree that it's based on hearsay or people being told who to fear. redqueen Aug 2012 #41
Every bigot can cite stats 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #50
I get a post hidden for saying "WTF", you get away with calling me a bigot redqueen Aug 2012 #69
I don't know the details but I suspect you didn't get a post hidden 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #73
lol... opiate69 Aug 2012 #81
The basis of the airlines rule is inarguably predjudicial. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #126
This isn't about "comfort." A child who is molested experiences a far greater trauma pnwmom Aug 2012 #145
Fine. All us molesters can be escorted to first class while you do your protective duties. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #147
That would be a fair response 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #151
Since we're in full-blown stereotype mode... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #152
Brilliant! 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #154
The trauma of being killed in a terrorist act is far greater than the trauma 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #150
Protection from whom? You want to move this person into a seat next to a 12 year old boy? stevenleser Aug 2012 #165
But why would they do it in a plane, right there in public, even if they are pedophiles? treestar Aug 2012 #174
All good points too. It is a crazy policy. Even pedophiles, who cannot generally stop their behavior stevenleser Aug 2012 #175
Because they can. pnwmom Aug 2012 #186
Maybe put the unaccompanied minors together then? treestar Aug 2012 #189
Airlines used to provide extra protection by assigning a specific attendant the task Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #166
Women can molest, too. I think the airlines really just want female passengers to babysit. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #191
Check the stats for terrorist hijackings. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #128
New policy.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #181
No. Unless I'm given clear data pointing specifically to a causality LanternWaste Aug 2012 #51
Could you cite stats to support the need for such a policy? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #55
Er, "post-hoc-ergo-prompter-hoc"... Is that just as wrong, but quicker? Romulox Aug 2012 #137
Maybe. But it's also because a certain group of men pnwmom Aug 2012 #103
Some black people make some white people uncomfortable 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #127
Thanks for showing, with your example, how different the situations are. pnwmom Aug 2012 #138
And how often are unaccompanied minors molested by males flying alone 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #142
And it especially only has to happen once, when there's a huge payout. pnwmom Aug 2012 #146
From your article: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #149
That's about on a par with the "voter fraud" the Repukes hifiguy Aug 2012 #176
Ah but according to the totally fair, in no way fearmongering article posted: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #178
Well played. Well played indeed. hifiguy Aug 2012 #179
Apparently, this can be traced back to an incident involving a Ugandan man and a 13 yr. old girl on Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #37
"Look, we're not saying all africans are molesters 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #129
If we're going more by the numbers 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #33
I wouldn't want my white daughter sitting next to a black man The Straight Story Aug 2012 #135
I don't want any muslims on my flights 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #144
Comfort, eh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #183
Makes sense statistically. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #6
Unreasonable searches are another issue. Asking someone to switch seats... redqueen Aug 2012 #10
That's the point. I don't consider it "unreasonable". Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #14
Search = invasive. redqueen Aug 2012 #18
It's a form of humiliation Scootaloo Aug 2012 #26
Yes, inconvenient and embarrassing. But also understandable. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #30
The odds of a random anyone being a sexual predator are ludicrously small Scootaloo Aug 2012 #101
No, it isn't. redqueen Aug 2012 #31
"Men aren't being asked to move because they're considered less than." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #83
No, they're being asked to move because they are assumed to be dangers to children Scootaloo Aug 2012 #102
How many women have been involved in acts of airline terrorism? Doesn't that suggest who should... GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #65
the problem with profiling terrorists is that it assumes a static dsc Aug 2012 #16
I would hope that if Al Qaeda starts reaching out to Kansas grandmothers Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #22
well admittedly I am leaving the Kansas part out dsc Aug 2012 #25
Everyone who engages in discriminatory behavior can cite stats to justify it 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #35
I don't object to sensible and reasonable precautions. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #39
How often does this actually happen though? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #56
You should know by now, 4thLOR hifiguy Aug 2012 #71
If we're going by statisics, then we shouldn't allow minors to sit with male relatives, NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #89
Only if unaccompanied minors ON PLANES were more likely to be abused by men ON PLANES. sibelian Aug 2012 #116
Well . . . . HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #9
Disgusting. hifiguy Aug 2012 #11
Sexist bullshit HappyMe Aug 2012 #12
Not "assuming that all men are molesters". Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #19
Try this: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #36
I do see your point. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #48
The act itself isn't a huge deal 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #52
What about the statistical risk to women? pintobean Aug 2012 #42
+1 sarcasmo Aug 2012 #68
How strange... MineralMan Aug 2012 #13
The danger of "stranger danger" FightForMichigan Aug 2012 #17
Thank you for posting (and welcome to DU). I'm surprised that many of our coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #60
+1 leftstreet Aug 2012 #84
That point certainly makes a mockery of this policy. Prometheus Bound Aug 2012 #85
I don't like it. MadrasT Aug 2012 #23
Men are inherently a bunch of evil predators, don't you know? <sarcasm alert> Zalatix Aug 2012 #24
I agree with the above poster that this can't be real Warpy Aug 2012 #29
I love the double standard unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #44
I guess one hundred thousand years of male dominance has finally come back to kick us in the ass... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #59
Yeah, the horror. pnwmom Aug 2012 #104
So you're cool with sitting next to all the unaccompanied kids, then. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #193
Easy fix. SoCalDem Aug 2012 #45
How about men only flights The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #46
And women get stuck with all the screaming brats? Warpy Aug 2012 #54
This is interesting. Panasonic Aug 2012 #53
they shouldn't let us sit behind children either Enrique Aug 2012 #57
Hah! Thread-winner for sure! - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #61
I could actually get on board with this 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #63
Hey, I Once Sat Next to an Unaccompanied Minor On the Road Aug 2012 #88
The amount of MRA talking points in this thread is unreal. redqueen Aug 2012 #58
... opiate69 Aug 2012 #64
Is that outlier the Russian judge? hifiguy Aug 2012 #77
Da, Tovarish! opiate69 Aug 2012 #80
Doug! Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #95
That's full of awesome! opiate69 Aug 2012 #98
Hurl a generic insult at anyone who disagrees 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #74
I trust that most DUers are aware of the MRA hate groups. redqueen Aug 2012 #75
You support discrimination based on gender 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #76
It seems that redqueen, from my observation unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #86
As you SHOULD know, it has always been inappropriate at D.U. to call out DU'ers by name. Judi Lynn Aug 2012 #91
Okay, well, certain members who shall remain nameless seem to really enjoy using character Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #94
That ended with DU2. No posts are hidden for that anymore. nt stevenleser Aug 2012 #168
Yeah, I agree.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #180
Hey Joe, got a list? FlyinButter Aug 2012 #188
ALERTING - The reckless and haphazard way you throw around that accusation needs to stop. stevenleser Aug 2012 #167
For Jeebus' sake Steven, hifiguy Aug 2012 #177
Yeah, exactly. Normally I wouldnt care. They can be as resistent as they want... stevenleser Aug 2012 #182
The double standards would be somewhat amusing hifiguy Aug 2012 #187
So glad I don't have to fly anymore. I used to have to several times a week but anymore, to RKP5637 Aug 2012 #62
IMO This should be cross posted to the Mens Group HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #67
Sexist in both directions. Utterly ridiculous. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #72
I think part of it is the way it was handled gvstn Aug 2012 #78
When I was a little kid of four or five, adults would routinely pat my head aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #82
I was born in 1986, But I'm from a small town, so... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #97
I've seen fear and suspicion of others grow for years. rad51 Aug 2012 #107
Hey, my kid is 25 and he grew up in the 80s and 90's cali Aug 2012 #109
There is no more child rape or molestation now than then obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #160
The children should be in cages, below deck with the dogs and cats. hunter Aug 2012 #87
I can see both sides of this gollygee Aug 2012 #90
Racial Profiling is wrong, but Genital Profiling is okay? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #92
Seriously, again: OTHER airlines are trying to make parents pay extra to sit with their OWN kids. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #93
I would refuse to do it obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #161
It's legal CYA. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #96
Then how is it Airlines like United are trying to make families w/ little kids PAY to sit together? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #100
The difference is money. Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #113
On reflection, I think that my initial reaction (that this is justified) was wrong. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #99
Why only single men? Fumesucker Aug 2012 #105
"Predators are now free to move about the cabin." I think this is a reasonable response pnwmom Aug 2012 #106
If you're going to have the policy, and the policy isn't a big deal The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #110
Or make it against company policy to let HappyMe Aug 2012 #111
But of course, as usual, that's where the complications start The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #112
Unaccompanied minors can fly on the family plane. HappyMe Aug 2012 #114
If men are going to be that sensitive probably they shouldn't fly. pnwmom Aug 2012 #117
It's the reason for being asked The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #122
Oh yeah, right. Free tickets for men, because it's such a huge inconvenience for them pnwmom Aug 2012 #115
That response is disgraceful and insulting. sibelian Aug 2012 #118
Figure out the seating arrangement before the flight boards The2ndWheel Aug 2012 #119
This seems sensible enough. I suppose there would be times when it won't work, like GreenPartyVoter Aug 2012 #123
The policy sucks. I don't want to sit next to an unaccompanied child because TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #133
Discrimination is never reasonable SpartanDem Aug 2012 #130
I don't think this is comparable. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #136
It's a classic case of "But it's not MY ox that's being gored." No real logic to this argument. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #140
Of course not 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #143
What a great idea! Every woman who boards the plane should be paired up with a kid. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #141
Then maybe children should not be allowed to fly unaccompanied. kiva Aug 2012 #169
The article strained to find 10 cases in over 20 years 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #172
If, as the defenders(who are mostly women) say unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #120
That doesn't mesh with their points system. sibelian Aug 2012 #121
Right... unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #124
It really couldn't possibly be a more clear cut case of simple bigotry. sibelian Aug 2012 #132
Hey, I'm a woman and I'm not defending this. HappyMe Aug 2012 #125
Additionally most children are abused by relatives 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #131
This is so wrong Whisp Aug 2012 #134
Statistically, the person most likely to molest any particular child is their guardian or parent. Romulox Aug 2012 #139
I thought it discrimination when I first read about it obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #153
Thank you 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #156
Please edit or delete this, it is inaccurate. MadrasT Aug 2012 #170
Alright "some members" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #171
This is idiotic get the red out Aug 2012 #155
I have to fly around the first of the year. HappyMe Aug 2012 #162
I don't agree with this law Politicalboi Aug 2012 #158
Nothing to add. Iggo Aug 2012 #163
That's almost as bad as being called a pedophile because you like shaved beaver slutticus Aug 2012 #164
If a man likes that look *and* flies without a female guardian 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #173
I would hope someone sues LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #184
Someone's going to be rich soon, at Virgin Australia's expense Sick of the GOP Aug 2012 #185
I think unaccompanied kids should be seated next to stewards. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #190
I'll go one better: Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #192
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