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fainaent

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12. That's the bad thing about the internet.

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:02 PM

Aug 2012

I'm about the biggest advocate in the world of primary sources. I don't believe anything unless I can find the original data to back it up, and look at it myself.

I've seen way too many stories, polls, and studies that botched the underlying data.

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Can we try to avoid strawmanning? [View all] fainaent Aug 2012 OP

Your concern is noted Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #1

Duly noted. Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #8

That's the bad thing about the internet. fainaent Aug 2012 #12

Whatever you are smoking is probably illegal. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #21

The internet is chock-a-block full of primary sources cali Aug 2012 #25

So NoPasaran Aug 2012 #27

I apologize for not including the links. fainaent Aug 2012 #32

Thanks for all the GOP links NoPasaran Aug 2012 #39

No kidding. nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #49

you're kidding about your links, right? cali Aug 2012 #50

What would you propose fainaent Aug 2012 #64

first of all, I would expect some analysis cali Aug 2012 #84

You're right, it doesn't matter what he says .... oldhippie Aug 2012 #169

Romney is a documented prevaricator. Quantess Aug 2012 #178

Am I missing something? oldhippie Aug 2012 #198

here read this maddezmom Aug 2012 #34

Right, I am specifically fainaent Aug 2012 #38

His plan to destroy Medicare, drastically reduce Medicaid and slash the hell out of food stamps cali Aug 2012 #55

Rather than relying on the Republican House and mittromney.com sites Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #81

and you are clueless on how 'private accounts' defund and destroy social security. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #75

Yet, 2 of the sources you provided above would be primary sources obxhead Aug 2012 #86

I'm not sure those count as primary sources. The Ryan budget legislation cali Aug 2012 #109

I agree. obxhead Aug 2012 #113

"lipstick on this PICK?" Quantess Aug 2012 #172

I know, he's so very concerned! n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #76

Yes. One should never get their information from suspect sources. Zorra Aug 2012 #125

And DU can be a suspect source if claims are not linked to reliable sites. Kablooie Aug 2012 #168

They are going to destroy it same as they are destroying the USPS. I have NO doubt and nc4bo Aug 2012 #2

Don't forget public education and state-operated prisons. eom Frustratedlady Aug 2012 #123

Links to these supposed "facts"? n/t livetohike Aug 2012 #3

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #30

So...THOSE are the sources you trust? Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #42

Where should we go? fainaent Aug 2012 #68

Maybe your next post can consider the merits of the birthers. JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #135

another analysis: maddezmom Aug 2012 #51

Why don't they just raise the fucking age to 90 and quit pretending? catbyte Aug 2012 #103

Ryan's 2005 SS Privatization act was so odious that even the Bush Admin Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #4

Are you toying with this poster like a cat plays with a mouse? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #95

Just trying to add some facts, sir. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #107

Well we wouldn't want to run around willy-nilly without the facts. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #146

Sorry, but that's pulling the rug out from under the program cali Aug 2012 #5

What is so wrong fainaent Aug 2012 #40

nothing wrong with discussing them. A lot wrong with what you're doing cali Aug 2012 #143

They are Repub plans and thus all lies .... oldhippie Aug 2012 #175

Who cares. Quantess Aug 2012 #194

I would suggest checking your meds. nt oldhippie Aug 2012 #199

Live long and Prosper.... catnhatnh Aug 2012 #6

You don't need strawman arguments sharp_stick Aug 2012 #7

Care to back that up with some reality-based facts? greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #9

I updated the OP fainaent Aug 2012 #46

Do you have a link ProSense Aug 2012 #52

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahaha malaise Aug 2012 #65

Lol, no. fainaent Aug 2012 #72

ROFL! pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #73

!! Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #89

mittromney.com? greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #145

"WE?" Mz Pip Aug 2012 #10

My hope would be fainaent Aug 2012 #47

Neither does downright lying and obsfucating Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #70

Rmoney and Ryan can certainly be trusted to protect these critical programs. Yeah, that's it. Scuba Aug 2012 #11

"Liquidate" or even "Liquify". nc4bo Aug 2012 #14

VULTURE / VOUCHER - 2012 Scuba Aug 2012 #17

Excellente! nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #23

Good one! Strega Ribiera Aug 2012 #93

Help yourself, and welcome to DU. Scuba Aug 2012 #101

Thanks! Strega Ribiera Aug 2012 #195

you need to look again at the Ryan plan, and what it will mean to the future of SSA and Medicare- Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #13

Scarecrows without a brain. ananda Aug 2012 #22

they have a brain Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #41

Ryan wants to privatize Medicare,... Deep13 Aug 2012 #15

So what do you think of his plan to drastically cut the food stamp program cali Aug 2012 #16

I don't like cuts fainaent Aug 2012 #54

But your op lacks the very thing you claim to want. cali Aug 2012 #106

sounds like you are an advocate for their plans maddezmom Aug 2012 #18

LOL malaise Aug 2012 #26

No, I just have this weird thing fainaent Aug 2012 #56

So you are linking to mittromney.com? Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #92

Yeah, if I want to know fainaent Aug 2012 #99

wrong. one doesn't go to a campaign site. One looks at the legislation cali Aug 2012 #131

Robme is not an effective "primary source", his position may flip back and forth during a statement TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #179

A lot of new DUers supporting the Ryan/Romney ticket today! Democat Aug 2012 #149

You must be really upset with Romney's dishonest political ads. FSogol Aug 2012 #19

I try to encourage fainaent Aug 2012 #57

lol you have links to show how you have shared your concern elesewhere? grantcart Aug 2012 #115

Whew! Thanks for clearing that up for me. Avalux Aug 2012 #20

Whatever malaise Aug 2012 #24

where's unrec when you really need it? cali Aug 2012 #28

Amen to that! NoPasaran Aug 2012 #44

My husband and I attended University at Buffalo. Between the old-style Regent's Scholarship, hedgehog Aug 2012 #29

just for the record: Paul Ryan’s Original Medicare Plan Ends Medicare, Period maddezmom Aug 2012 #31

That simple malaise Aug 2012 #35

Isn't ProSense Aug 2012 #33

Can we also avoid verbing? Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2012 #36

LOL - Don't you mean 'verb-izing'? The one that I always get a hoot out of coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #53

Peyton Manning has a half-brother named Straw Manning NoPasaran Aug 2012 #62

I suppose that joke was unavoidable. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2012 #71

Wait, . . . wutt?? Verb -ing??? uh, okay . . . he, he. patrice Aug 2012 #138

At work, some of the bigwigs use "office" as a verb...as in "he offices at...." greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #155

Then there's "hotel-ing," for roatating workers who temporarily occupy office space. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2012 #163

There's that, too. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #164

Is that like voguing? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #159

oops n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #37

You are the one creating the straw man by mischaracterizing our opposition to coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #43

I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. fainaent Aug 2012 #78

I understand what you are saying to a point, but I have to defend DU... Frustratedlady Aug 2012 #151

Fair enough, except your OP insinuated that there was strawmanning going on here but you coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #190

yes, we should definitely believe all their lies Enrique Aug 2012 #45

Question: Why the fuck are you here schilling for the Teapublicans? 99Forever Aug 2012 #48

I'm not. fainaent Aug 2012 #82

Give up, fainaent. kurtzapril4 Aug 2012 #157

Sure you aren't. 99Forever Aug 2012 #181

Hey now! Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #98

Is your name suppose to imply that the dems 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #58

No, it's just a name fainaent Aug 2012 #87

You chose a username without knowing what it meant? RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #128

Oh right, just like you imagine your alternate liberal self would be... Quantess Aug 2012 #192

Thanks for sharing your perceptive insight. lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #59

Did anyone alert on this yet and did some jury let this actually stand? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #60

I just did that. don't know the results yet. cali Aug 2012 #66

I did too. Wouldn't mind if the entire thread were removed permanently. nc4bo Aug 2012 #85

I smell something GObamaGO Aug 2012 #94

This OP smelled from the get go. I'm surprised some folks fell for it. n/t Peregrine Took Aug 2012 #144

Yep GObamaGO Aug 2012 #197

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #96

This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGOUND. Check your map, wrong place. nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #100

What is undemocratic fainaent Aug 2012 #105

Your links for one. Have you actually read the rules here? We actually have those you know. nc4bo Aug 2012 #118

Hey Pal.. sendero Aug 2012 #174

+1 Quantess Aug 2012 #187

the people you support (romney and fuck) have no integrity datasuspect Aug 2012 #185

. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #110

The problem is you're spreading republican lies and cali Aug 2012 #137

basically we think you are a troll here to push republican bullshit Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #139

A jury of morons voted 4-2 to keep. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #119

unfuckingbelivably stupid. cali Aug 2012 #148

we have a lot of people here who will hide naughty-bits words but not gop bullshit. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #150

One thing I've noticed with the new system. I've been here since 2001 and have had what could be Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #166

Hmm.. darkangel218 Aug 2012 #61

Yes Mom .... Trajan Aug 2012 #63

You seem to have more faith in these greedy right wing bigots than most of us. Hoyt Aug 2012 #67

Seems gullible Lex Aug 2012 #74

Yes - that does seem to be the case. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #102

It's their first step toward killing off Social Security and it's dead obvious to EVERYone Lex Aug 2012 #69

Romney has an official stance on an issue? obxhead Aug 2012 #77

Paul Ryan Wants to Destroy Social Security & Medicare Smilo Aug 2012 #79

Gee thanks for all those links to Mitt's website and GOP talking points. TeamPooka Aug 2012 #80

We have avoided strawmanning, cqan you? Progressive dog Aug 2012 #83

You must really get tired jberryhill Aug 2012 #88

Why are you linking us to Repub websites? Alduin Aug 2012 #90

No DJ13 Aug 2012 #91

Coincidence that "faineant" was FR's word of the day just 8 days ago? Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #97

Ahahaha! Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #114

Nice catch! pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #116

nice find. cali Aug 2012 #120

They think that we're idiots over here.... Scuba Aug 2012 #142

Romey wants retirees to pay for "optional" Medicare with vouchers. LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #104

I got it now, you can choose to participate, like Rmoney chooses not to participate in paying taxes. Thinkingabout Aug 2012 #108

It's as true now as it was eight years ago rocktivity Aug 2012 #111

and Medicare? Forget SS it is Medicare where the raping will occur, and I think you know that. grantcart Aug 2012 #112

OP has 'concerns' about that as well: Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #130

Tu es vraiment fainéant ! Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #117

Gradually, the pot comes to a boil. No, thanks. he might be fooling some frogs but, not this one Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #121

his plan allows the top 10% to opt out and destroys the program. they *are* advocating that. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #122

no ibegurpard Aug 2012 #124

It seems we can't even avoid trollspamming. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #126

was going to say, concernspamming maddezmom Aug 2012 #129

Hey if the Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #136

Boom! Nailed it! valerief Aug 2012 #140

It's lovely that you're polite at least - TBF Aug 2012 #127

I bet that he/she won't be polite about us when he goes back cali Aug 2012 #134

You don't recognize that your describing gutting SS and Medicare? Did your phakts come from phokz? Zen Democrat Aug 2012 #132

Lmao @ phakts and phokz!!!! darkangel218 Aug 2012 #154

I don't see any freakin' details at Mittfalca's bullshit site. valerief Aug 2012 #133

Fuck this OP JaneyVee Aug 2012 #141

Your sources are suspect and so is your post. Clean up on aisle 5!!! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #147

agree and AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #152

DU voted 2-4 to keep it. LOL. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #156

Please help yourself!! AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #161

Arigato! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #162

dou itashimashite AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #167

MIRT prevails! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #180

Yoshi! iine! AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #183

A more interesting question is, "is MIRT asleep at the wheel"? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #153

Promoting the GOP ticket on DemocraticUnderground and couching it in a concern for 'facts'. Solly Mack Aug 2012 #158

Concern isn't always only what some people want us to think it is, i.e. it CAN be authentic. patrice Aug 2012 #165

Of course concern can be honest. Solly Mack Aug 2012 #171

Absolutely agree. This is an anonymous board. This issue will help or hurt billions of people ... patrice Aug 2012 #176

More political positioning prioritized ahead of the most good for the most people: patrice Aug 2012 #160

This place hates the profit motive supposedly but watch it scream bloody murder when PROFIT enabled, patrice Aug 2012 #170

I hope you're happy with yourselves. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #173

OP AUTHOR HAS LEFT THE BUILDING! pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #177

HEH! AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #186

GET LOST TROLL !!!! RagAss Aug 2012 #182

What's your real point, Ye of Few Posts? That you're a gull who believes Republican websites? WinkyDink Aug 2012 #184

I see that you've got the Munster family's back. You ARE aware that this is kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #188

Translation: I know SS issue will make Repubs lose votes, so please stop talking about it. gollygee Aug 2012 #189

ESADT NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #191

where are your tax returns mitty...what are you afraid of? what are you hiding? spanone Aug 2012 #193

"We" marmar Aug 2012 #196