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Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:51 AM

frazzled (9,139 posts)

67. But OWS has no intention of working inside government

That has been one of the few expressed positions of the movement. It is essentially anarchist in its outlook, spurning government institutions in equal measure to the economic system. Besides, even if a member wanted to run, OWS is just not a moniker they could hang their hat on for a general public. Chalking sidewalks and camping in public parks are just not the kinds of relevant experiences or causes that the average voter wants to see in a candidate.

In my (humble) opinion, OWS was a good idea that burnt itself out through its own excesses and indifference to real-world political and policy concerns. It's too bad, but that is the reality of the moment. It doesn't even have much support on a place like DU. And the Kochs have nothing to do with that.

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98 replies	Author	Time	Post
OWS has meant just as much - if not more- than the teabagger movement to politics... [View all]	jillan	Aug 2012	OP
Really? I don't think they made any difference at all	1-Old-Man	Aug 2012	#1
What do they say when you're at Tea Party rallies?	UnrepentantLiberal	Aug 2012	#2
It doesn't matter if people know who they are or not - that bottom line	jillan	Aug 2012	#4
I agree with you 100%	Voice for Peace	Aug 2012	#41
It's possible that it had a greater effect on politicians	CJCRANE	Aug 2012	#6
That may be true, but I think there is a sign that it is not	1-Old-Man	Aug 2012	#24
Are you saying that all those hours I spent at Occupy Los Angeles (and	coalition_unwilling	Aug 2012	#8
Yes, out here in the country you weren't even a blip on the radar	1-Old-Man	Aug 2012	#22
What does 'in the country' refer to? A rural setting? I ask	coalition_unwilling	Aug 2012	#26
You know, flyover country.	UnrepentantLiberal	Aug 2012	#30
Yes, northeastern WV, about a two hour drive to DC	1-Old-Man	Aug 2012	#57
I live in the country, too.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#31
And there are some very good Occupy movements	UnrepentantLiberal	Aug 2012	#33
Out there in the country is probably Republican territory anyway.	JDPriestly	Aug 2012	#54
Spot on.	raouldukelives	Aug 2012	#70
Thanks. That's great news.	JDPriestly	Aug 2012	#73
So you think tax equality would be an issue without OWS	uponit7771	Aug 2012	#34
LOL there's no way to RATIONALLY believe that tax equality would be an issue without OWS.	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#89
That's strange, because all polls taken on OWS showed that over 80% had heard of them	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#49
Blame your media, I can tell you right now	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2012	#97
Whatever happened to that big spring surprise you promised us?	zappaman	Aug 2012	#98
Occupy was also international.	CJCRANE	Aug 2012	#3
The movement could only be ignored for so long by M$M	nc4bo	Aug 2012	#7
Hmmm	salinen	Aug 2012	#5
Weimar had proportional representation in its Reichstag. U.S. has 'winner take all'	coalition_unwilling	Aug 2012	#10
Could you please explain this point in very simple terms? I don't get it.... (nt)	philly_bob	Aug 2012	#14
Um, in the Weimar Republic a poltiical party needed to only secure about	coalition_unwilling	Aug 2012	#21
It is a myth that proportional representation had anything to do with the Nazis taking power.	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#61
Proportional representation had something to do with the Nazis taking power, as Hitler would not	coalition_unwilling	Aug 2012	#65
The Nazis were largest party in both 1932 parliamentary elections (July & November)	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#68
Your point is valid for a hypothetical winner-take-all system with multiple viable parties. I might	coalition_unwilling	Aug 2012	#71
Thanks, Coalition and Riddler, for interesting (if opposed) replies. (nt)	philly_bob	Aug 2012	#72
When the Nazis first came to power the Social Democrats and Communist had a combined majority.	Puregonzo1188	Aug 2012	#75
Amen My Friend...	KharmaTrain	Aug 2012	#17
But the Baggers are not a 'movement'. They were a creation of big money interests	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#50
The Weimar Republic lasted less than 15 years	RZM	Aug 2012	#53
We get it. Give OWS a gold medal.	randome	Aug 2012	#9
LOL! You are definitely going to hold the DU record for most anti-Occupy posts by a country mile.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#36
nonsense. yes, coining the one percent line distilled the	cali	Aug 2012	#11
Your argument is an exercise in SHEER DENIAL.	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#23
No, my argument is factual.	cali	Aug 2012	#25
Your argument is as factual as Mitt Romney is a leftist.	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#29
wow. couldn't possibly argue with that brilliant gem	cali	Aug 2012	#37
Well hey at least my arguments don't come from Bizarro Land	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#42
Which of the following is true:	onenote	Aug 2012	#46
OWS has pushed a number of Dems to the left.	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#48
The people who turn up at Democratic Club meetings are the same ones	JDPriestly	Aug 2012	#55
I don't see any facts. Quantify them. nt	Union Scribe	Aug 2012	#76
OWS has helped bring together people to help those being illegally thrown out of their homes...	midnight	Aug 2012	#12
The tea party was sponsored by Fox News.	Blanks	Aug 2012	#16
I agree...	midnight	Aug 2012	#60
Yes, the Occupy Caucus in Congress has really accomplished so much!	frazzled	Aug 2012	#13
Frazzled you make an impressive point... I'm wondering if that list would not be so long if not for	midnight	Aug 2012	#64
But OWS has no intention of working inside government	frazzled	Aug 2012	#67
My humble suggestion-keep reading what you can about OWS. It is a world wide movement regardless if	midnight	Aug 2012	#78
how many OWS representatives have been elected?	NightWatcher	Aug 2012	#15
The teabaggers are heavily funded by the Koch Bros and more. OWS does not have the $ behind	jillan	Aug 2012	#18
sure, but that doesn't make the claim in your op any more accurate	cali	Aug 2012	#19
OWS never intended to become politicians.	UnrepentantLiberal	Aug 2012	#32
The fact is, Democrats are supposed to represent OWS.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#40
Even my Republican friends throw around "the 1%"	Patiod	Aug 2012	#20
Has the OWS movement figured out how to balance the budget?	Southerner	Aug 2012	#27
that's an absurd non-sequitur	cali	Aug 2012	#28
Yes.	Zorra	Aug 2012	#38
Yes.	Blanks	Aug 2012	#69
for the first time in a generation - OWS made the subject of inequitable distribution of wealth a	Douglas Carpenter	Aug 2012	#35
i agree	samsingh	Aug 2012	#39
OWS is 'movement' politics while Teat Party is electoral politics.	TahitiNut	Aug 2012	#43
You exaggerate their value and "success"	kctim	Aug 2012	#44
Gotta disagree. Beautiful concept. Disastrous execution.	Tarheel_Dem	Aug 2012	#45
1+	patrice	Aug 2012	#80
No, and drop the fantasy. One side mobilized and elected 60+ people to congress, the other side	cecilfirefox	Aug 2012	#47
There is no comparison between a real Grassroots, International Social Justice movement	sabrina 1	Aug 2012	#51
"The Tea Party" is an old, old part of the Republican Party...	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#63
So how many congressmen/women in their caucus?	badtoworse	Aug 2012	#52
Electoral politics by itself has given us a congress..	Teamster Jeff	Aug 2012	#58
That's pretty difficult to argue	RZM	Aug 2012	#56
Well, Obama hasn't told us to eat our peas in a while	DerekG	Aug 2012	#59
Indeed. And "Teabagger Movement" is a laugh in itself.	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#62
Yep,	woo me with science	Aug 2012	#84
I'm one of the guys that decry OWS as a waste of potential.	MrSlayer	Aug 2012	#66
So get out there and show them how to do it.	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#74
Every time I've seen an interview with an OWSer...	Scootaloo	Aug 2012	#81
That would be true if you didn't ignore what happened.	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#82
And why are they bowing their heads to that authority?	Scootaloo	Aug 2012	#85
Go out and lead the charge, tough one.	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#92
By the way, are you comparing today's US urban police to Bull Connor?	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#93
Do I approve? You really want to try that?	Scootaloo	Aug 2012	#94
I do appreciate the part where I'm a kid! Thanks!	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#95
+100!	zappaman	Aug 2012	#96
I tried. I got crickets.	MrSlayer	Aug 2012	#87
Lol @ how HARD some push against	Union Scribe	Aug 2012	#77
OWS & President Obama!!! That's hilarious. The single biggest trait of OWS has been Obama hate.	patrice	Aug 2012	#79
Before I call bullshit, I'll ask a question to be sure...	JackRiddler	Aug 2012	#83
I'll be honest - I don't understand	fainaent	Aug 2012	#86
First of all, Welcome to DU.	jillan	Aug 2012	#88
Ah, I see...	fainaent	Aug 2012	#91
No, the OWS movement became an unfocused mess without force	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#90

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