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caseymoz

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83. But if the reason for avoiding slaughter . . .
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 05:49 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:08 PM - Edit history (1)

. . . is that it consumes too much grain, (I mean, how many pounds of grain go into a pound of beef?) They're still going to be consuming that much grain to convert it to milk. That grain and soy could instead be fed to people directly. Therefore the same efficiency problem that started this sub-thread applies to milk cows as well. If you're so desperate to feed people that beef and pork become luxuries, then milk becomes a luxury, too.

I'll also say, if you're going to replace the meat protein with milk, dairy conditions are going to be as inhumane as they are now for pork and beef livestock. They would have to suck as much milk out of those animals as possible. They'd be injected with hormones and never be allowed to leave their stall. Guilt will certainly be a temptation.

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #1
funny, we feed all that fiber to animals, veganlush Aug 2012 #2
eating less meat would definitely help a lot of issues NoMoreWarNow Aug 2012 #4
You are right. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #16
Food, Inc. chervilant Aug 2012 #20
I've gone mostly vegetarian (I still eat local seafood) Marrah_G Aug 2012 #63
Then where will people get their protein? Beans? Zalatix Aug 2012 #17
Get a steam cooker and cook up a cup of rice and beans and voila .... MindMover Aug 2012 #49
I'll be healthier but also miserable. Beans make me gag. Zalatix Aug 2012 #50
I buy a digestive aid without pancreatin and solves all gas issues related to eating MindMover Aug 2012 #51
Any natural digestive aid suggestions? Zalatix Aug 2012 #53
Grapefruit extract and if 10 drops mixed with your orange juice MindMover Aug 2012 #57
Lots of calories. That's for sure. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #55
Vegetarianism will make farm animals extinct. caseymoz Aug 2012 #22
"those animals have a niche and are doing so much better than most wild animals" CrispyQ Aug 2012 #32
Yes, I'm referring only to their numbers. caseymoz Aug 2012 #36
Overpopulation - a topic that riles many, even on DU. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #44
" So far we've been poor at rescuing and maintaining endangered species." Ghost in the Machine Aug 2012 #78
So, what's the percentage? caseymoz Aug 2012 #85
***** NCarolinawoman Aug 2012 #81
Well, that's good as I am a vegetarian, RebelOne Aug 2012 #38
You don't understand. caseymoz Aug 2012 #48
That's silly Marrah_G Aug 2012 #66
Didn't I say they couldn't be . . . caseymoz Aug 2012 #74
Cows and goats = dairy Marrah_G Aug 2012 #79
But if the reason for avoiding slaughter . . . caseymoz Aug 2012 #83
You would still have to feed the cows -- and corn is not their natural JDPriestly Aug 2012 #56
I'd be willing to bet an awful lot that what you just predicted will never happen. 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #62
Okay, over what period of time? caseymoz Aug 2012 #75
Not the ones for dairy and eggs Marrah_G Aug 2012 #64
Depends on if people go vegan. caseymoz Aug 2012 #76
I doubt the world would ever go vegan Marrah_G Aug 2012 #80
Humankind might not have a choice. nt caseymoz Aug 2012 #84
We have screwed up the cycle. FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #39
I am a big fan of grassfed, free rage animals Marrah_G Aug 2012 #67
because I love the look on my daughter's face snooper2 Aug 2012 #65
i raised both of my kids veganlush Aug 2012 #86
you can be almost certain veganlush Aug 2012 #87
This is bad news lunatica Aug 2012 #3
I always felt it was obscene to turn food into fuel Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #5
I agree. It takes way too much energy in the form of fossil fuels to produce and land to RC Aug 2012 #14
Something to help put those yield numbers in perspective... HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #6
We'll have a per acre yield around that from '65-'70. amandabeech Aug 2012 #70
My renters corn looks about that poor, but the soy is making a good recovery... HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #82
That's great. amandabeech Aug 2012 #88
It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #7
Ya think "terrifying" might be a little strong, here? pnwest Aug 2012 #8
Yeah, say that 6 months from now when you look at your grocery bill. Zalatix Aug 2012 #18
"Terrifying" is a sensationalist buzz-word. Dash87 Aug 2012 #21
It is scary for people who live week to week and are just getting by Marrah_G Aug 2012 #68
The article calls for problems with a 120 bushels per acre corn crop. wilsonbooks Aug 2012 #9
This article was written before this years drought. Farmers are further reducing their herds wilsonbooks Aug 2012 #10
Maybe it will make HFCS more expensive than actual sugar. hobbit709 Aug 2012 #11
That's what I am hoping. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #15
Funny... I'm not against HFCS, but I think our goals might have converged... 6502 Aug 2012 #27
It would take a lot to do that 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #73
Let's not fool ourselves. They'll happily raise gas prices, too. nt DCKit Aug 2012 #12
We could always cut consumption by... Oilwellian Aug 2012 #13
The corn they are talking about is NOT sweet corn. Thor_MN Aug 2012 #24
You're forgetting anything made with corn flour is made with field corn. sybylla Aug 2012 #28
You can do the same thing with hemp, and it grows in a hurry! MADem Aug 2012 #60
Some types of field corn can be consumed by humans. amandabeech Aug 2012 #71
re:Terrifying Corn Supply/Demand allan01 Aug 2012 #19
I do what I have to do. safeinOhio Aug 2012 #23
Curiously, sweet corn is doing extremely well. Feed corn is not. Go figure. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #25
That probably has to do with the timing of the drought. sybylla Aug 2012 #29
The rule is "knee high by the 4th of July". They planted in March and are already harvesting. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #47
At least part of the solution fredamae Aug 2012 #26
Industrial Hemp!!! Can't be emphasized enough... drokhole Aug 2012 #30
+1 nc4bo Aug 2012 #31
Well, Then that's a good thing-that means fredamae Aug 2012 #34
Big Anything purpo$ely mi$$e$ the boat. nc4bo Aug 2012 #41
+2 shanti Aug 2012 #33
At some point we'll be forced into doing a lot of things we don't do but should. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #35
+2 GreenPartyVoter Aug 2012 #77
I wish I could rec your post Marrah_G Aug 2012 #69
Is this cat litter made from edible corn? johnd83 Aug 2012 #37
Edible by animals, if not by humans. FarCenter Aug 2012 #40
Why does that make you "really angry"? It's totally biodegradable and safe. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #59
I've only seen litter made from corn cobs. redqueen Aug 2012 #61
Prices may go up but demand will go down down down just1voice Aug 2012 #42
China Buys Almost 1 Million Tons of U.S. Corn, lovuian Aug 2012 #43
Well if you Latte Libruls would stop eating all those own your story Aug 2012 #45
We should not be making ethanol from corn in the first place. D23MIURG23 Aug 2012 #46
Ethanol DDO16kadams Aug 2012 #52
maybe it is DUs fault Enrique Aug 2012 #54
Will probably happen soon. Amonester Aug 2012 #58
I'm not thrilled by the circumstances but if the silver lining is that we get rid of bio-ethanol 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #72
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