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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
11. They're paid well for Finland...
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jan 2012

in a country where there is a strong social welfare system, health care and pensions, and lower rents. They have a strong teachers' union. It is a respected career with job security. They are not under attack, like here. They are not blamed for problems they did not cause. They are not under unreasonable pressures to perform to arbitrary evaluation. There are almost twice as many teachers per student as in New York. Class size is accordingly smaller.

The numbers shown on that chart do not come out to "half of the average American teacher"! 2654 euros is not half of 5266 dollars, however this chart shows no breakdowns by years of service and obviously doesn't cover differences in cost of living.

From NYT, Dec. 12:

The starting salary for school teachers in Finland, 96 percent of whom are unionized, was about $29,000 in 2008, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, compared with about $36,000 in the United States.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/education/from-finland-an-intriguing-school-reform-model.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

Please read this article about the curious Finlandophilia in the US (curious because it is often pushed by the school "reform" movement that selectively emphasizes which aspects of Finland's system are good).

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Also pretty homogenous I imagine. dkf Jan 2012 #1
Maybe if the American education system were as good, Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #2
Which is precisely why we don't have such a system 3waygeek Jan 2012 #3
And only 5 million of them. TreasonousBastard Jan 2012 #4
Which makes it as large as almost any school system in the United States. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #13
Yeah, they're supported with equal social safety nets by the governement. Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #8
The "homogeneity" of Finland is mostly irrelevant to its educational success. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #9
With all due respect Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #10
They're paid well for Finland... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #11
My point was Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #15
On the matter of well-paid... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #16
Good post LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #5
They leveled it themselves izquierdista Jan 2012 #6
K&R (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2012 #7
I like Finns frazzled Jan 2012 #12
So how do we change culture? ParkieDem Jan 2012 #14
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