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Jawja

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136. The proper term should be

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 09:23 AM

Aug 2012

"Paulianity" as opposed to "Christianity", as Paul of Tarsus basically created the "Christian" church. He set himself up as the purveyor of the "Christian" message and basically perverted the teachings of the man known as Jesus. The actual words of their "Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" would be lost on them.

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Can the left take back the term "Christian"? [View all] CabCurious Aug 2012 OP

IMHO, the brand is damaged beyond repair jberryhill Aug 2012 #1

The words of Jesus still can leverage change in those communities CabCurious Aug 2012 #4

Was the question about the word "Christian", or not? jberryhill Aug 2012 #8

I respect your point CabCurious Aug 2012 #16

Find another word for it jberryhill Aug 2012 #22

Christianity is liberalism Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #35

Does the Christian God believe in Freedom of Religion? jberryhill Aug 2012 #37

Yes, absolutely. Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #43

So the first commandment is just sort of a suggestion jberryhill Aug 2012 #44

If you want to be a victim of intolerance so much so that you seek it out... Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #46

What? jberryhill Aug 2012 #47

I share some of your beliefs... Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #54

"Jesus was around some 2000 years ago" - Either that or a myth was started some 2000 years ago. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #57

And your deflection and accusation over such a simple question is why cleanhippie Aug 2012 #148

i dont think my arely staircase Aug 2012 #105

It's not just fundamentalists jberryhill Aug 2012 #106

i ll see you that and raise you this arely staircase Aug 2012 #114

So? jberryhill Aug 2012 #117

yeah, maybe arely staircase Aug 2012 #121

The proper term should be Jawja Aug 2012 #136

And yet they say that God created man in God's image. In the same Maraya1969 Aug 2012 #144

Christ was not a Christian Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #89

We have tried that approach... noel711 Aug 2012 #2

We've obviously not tried very hard nt CabCurious Aug 2012 #3

That passage gives them no excuse to interpret it that way treestar Aug 2012 #141

"John Fugelsang will take on religious right on new TV show" Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #5

After the religious right mobilize against this show sadbear Aug 2012 #24

Either you change what you do, or the situation will continue. sibelian Aug 2012 #125

this leftist wants nothing to do with christianity.... mike_c Aug 2012 #6

The search for truth does not require allies, but politics does. sibelian Aug 2012 #126

Absolutely, but liberal/progressive christian groups need to cbayer Aug 2012 #7

"some strong and loud leadership" jberryhill Aug 2012 #11

Not clear at all as to what you are saying here. cbayer Aug 2012 #13

"strong and loud leadership" is their problem, not the solution jberryhill Aug 2012 #17

The analogy doesn't fit at all. MLK ring a bell? Jesse Jackson? Coretta Scott King? cbayer Aug 2012 #19

Malcolm X also rings a bell jberryhill Aug 2012 #25

That's the basis of the whole argument. cbayer Aug 2012 #29

You see these guys behind MLK? jberryhill Aug 2012 #34

Yes, they were a part of the coalition. That's what progressive religious people do - cbayer Aug 2012 #40

And they were a part of the anti-segregation coalition jberryhill Aug 2012 #50

I don't disagree with anything you have said. cbayer Aug 2012 #56

MLK was also an African American jberryhill Aug 2012 #120

Liberal Christian here Freddie Aug 2012 #21

I agree, which is why it's difficult to build activist organizations. cbayer Aug 2012 #23

Their narrow minded selfishness HappyMe Aug 2012 #9

Here in the Bible Belt, I have to agree with JBerryHill's reply above. JohnnyLib2 Aug 2012 #10

This goes back to the early 90s and the culture wars CabCurious Aug 2012 #20

I'm not sure what you mean by "get back to the core words". Also, the so-called "values voter" is Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #75

Don't want it Major Nikon Aug 2012 #12

Why should it matter? ananda Aug 2012 #14

Think about the Civil Rights Movement? CabCurious Aug 2012 #18

"entirely grounded in Christian rhetoric" jberryhill Aug 2012 #30

and what is your point? kwassa Aug 2012 #70

To "minimize" jberryhill Aug 2012 #73

I think you are trying very hard to minimize the role of Chrisitianity in the Civil Rights movement. kwassa Aug 2012 #110

Oh, okay, we'll just count on you to point out the "real Christians" jberryhill Aug 2012 #111

I don't have the power to decree someone Christian or not. kwassa Aug 2012 #138

Behold this picture of evolution jberryhill Aug 2012 #149

And, by the way... jberryhill Aug 2012 #118

The church was the center of the black community in the South. kwassa Aug 2012 #137

Listen to MLK's speeches CabCurious Aug 2012 #133

Yeah, id like an answer there, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #82

They don't count jberryhill Aug 2012 #91

I'd like you to read this nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #99

Agreed Sherman A1 Aug 2012 #135

The Christian "brand" has been pretty sordid from the beginning nichomachus Aug 2012 #15

I think you guys should start calling yourselves something else. sadbear Aug 2012 #26

I don't want the term MattBaggins Aug 2012 #27

Yes, easily. The most difficult thing is starting something. Christianity is a left-wing religion. sibelian Aug 2012 #28

Christianity is supposed to be a left-wing religion. sadbear Aug 2012 #32

Ideas don't change because people use the name of the idea for something else. sibelian Aug 2012 #38

They've defined christianity better than you have. sadbear Aug 2012 #39

Of course it isn't what they say it is. It's what it *is*. sibelian Aug 2012 #41

Yes, to you, it is what it is. sadbear Aug 2012 #42

Well, then everyone else is wrong. sibelian Aug 2012 #45

And what was it for 18 centuries before the US came along? jberryhill Aug 2012 #48

If altruism doesn't interest you... sibelian Aug 2012 #52

Lol, was that an intentionally ironic statement? jberryhill Aug 2012 #62

Why are you asking me? sibelian Aug 2012 #122

It's been hyjacked by the right. The new teatament is an early socialist reading. demosincebirth Aug 2012 #95

Good luck with that. They took Jesus out of Christianity centuries ago....... RagAss Aug 2012 #31

The Left did in the 1960s JaneQPublic Aug 2012 #33

we could start here handmade34 Aug 2012 #36

I'd be Episcopalian Freddie Aug 2012 #102

+1 nt arely staircase Aug 2012 #142

I have two opposing responses to that question. LWolf Aug 2012 #49

I have 2 answers for your great questions CabCurious Aug 2012 #134

Am I correct in assuming that we certainly don't mean to include "Catholics" jberryhill Aug 2012 #51

Would Jesus wear that hat? nt Live and Learn Aug 2012 #53

I have no idea jberryhill Aug 2012 #64

Yeah, but..., but..., but..., RC Aug 2012 #60

You might want to talk to some of the Catholic nuns. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #79

The conclusion being... jberryhill Aug 2012 #90

Good lord, why would anyone want to? nt valerief Aug 2012 #55

Because the original idelogical spine of Christianity was altruism. sibelian Aug 2012 #58

Fuck Christianity. Why not take back altruism? nt valerief Aug 2012 #63

That attitude won't get you far in what is a predominantly Christian nation. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #81

I'm not criticizing the Xtians, but if the prize is altruism why bother with Xtianity? valerief Aug 2012 #104

Because the original ideological spine of Christianity is altruism. sibelian Aug 2012 #124

So altruism was there first. Why isn't altruism good enough? nt valerief Aug 2012 #127

Ask humanity. sibelian Aug 2012 #145

Take back altruism? From whom? sibelian Aug 2012 #123

I'm not the OP. I'm just using the OP's language. nt valerief Aug 2012 #128

Well, you buy or you don't I assume. sibelian Aug 2012 #147

I think the left would serve the nation better by not associating itself Skidmore Aug 2012 #59

+1 brazillion jberryhill Aug 2012 #66

Strange that you have Jimmy Carter as an avatar DerekG Aug 2012 #71

So was George W. Bush jberryhill Aug 2012 #76

Jimmy Carter was and is a walking Jesus billboard. DerekG Aug 2012 #78

I don't think Carter would support theocratizing the country, however. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #85

You're right, he wouldn't. DerekG Aug 2012 #88

I'm generally dismissive of religion, myself MNBrewer Aug 2012 #108

It isn't despite being a Christian, it is because he is a Christian. kwassa Aug 2012 #112

So did Jerry Falwell jberryhill Aug 2012 #113

I disagree. It is not projection, it is selection. kwassa Aug 2012 #139

So was George W Bush jberryhill Aug 2012 #87

But do you think Carter's pronounced religiosity changed political discourse for the worse? DerekG Aug 2012 #92

It very well may have jberryhill Aug 2012 #93

It's about principles and values, not "associating" the left with 1 religion nt CabCurious Aug 2012 #96

There is no need to take back the word "Christian." Skidmore Aug 2012 #107

Yes, precisely because the far-right don't deserve the label CabCurious Aug 2012 #132

No. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #61

They can and should Taverner Aug 2012 #65

I'd love to see a return to Liberation Theology. white_wolf Aug 2012 #67

In all honestly though I think leftism will be more popular in non traditional religions. white_wolf Aug 2012 #68

"Christian" (and "Christianity") = bait and switch AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #69

I have to agree... Snoozin Aug 2012 #72

I would rather be associated with progressive thinkers then with a religion Marrah_G Aug 2012 #74

I prefer "Jesusonian" n/t Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex Aug 2012 #80

We don't want it. randome Aug 2012 #83

When, in the entire history of Christianity MNBrewer Aug 2012 #84

Thats a w-i-d-e brush you have there. Try St Anthonys or Glide Memorial church in SF or St Vincent demosincebirth Aug 2012 #94

It is purposefully "wide brush". MNBrewer Aug 2012 #109

I guess you didn't check them out, so your point is moot. It's spurious. demosincebirth Aug 2012 #119

The moot point is checking them out MNBrewer Aug 2012 #140

"Let's re-emphasise the altrusitic components of Christianity!" sibelian Aug 2012 #146

No. rrneck Aug 2012 #86

Liberal Christians can certainly make their DevonRex Aug 2012 #97

Don't want it. Iggo Aug 2012 #98

Good god, I hope not. Alduin Aug 2012 #100

Let's take back Zoroastrianism first jberryhill Aug 2012 #101

the problem arely staircase Aug 2012 #103

Can the people spot corporate hacks? just1voice Aug 2012 #115

nobody owns the term...asshole republicans hijacked and use it. spanone Aug 2012 #116

They can have it. moobu2 Aug 2012 #129

We can and we SHOULD. K&R! Zalatix Aug 2012 #130

I don't care what we call it. What matters is what people do and theocracy will accomplish the patrice Aug 2012 #131

The brand is damaged.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #143