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In the discussion thread: Can the left take back the term "Christian"? [View all]

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:52 AM

patrice (47,318 posts)

131. I don't care what we call it. What matters is what people do and theocracy will accomplish the

opposite of that, because it would be based on an institution rather than on the behavioral choices of free individuals who choose personal commitment to the good, which is, incidentally, what the life of Lord Jesus models for us.

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Can the left take back the term "Christian"? [View all]	CabCurious	Aug 2012	OP
IMHO, the brand is damaged beyond repair	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#1
The words of Jesus still can leverage change in those communities	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#4
Was the question about the word "Christian", or not?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#8
I respect your point	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#16
Find another word for it	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#22
Christianity is liberalism	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#35
Does the Christian God believe in Freedom of Religion?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#37
Yes, absolutely.	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#43
So the first commandment is just sort of a suggestion	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#44
If you want to be a victim of intolerance so much so that you seek it out...	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#46
What?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#47
I share some of your beliefs...	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#54
"Jesus was around some 2000 years ago" - Either that or a myth was started some 2000 years ago.	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#57
And your deflection and accusation over such a simple question is why	cleanhippie	Aug 2012	#148
i dont think my	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#105
It's not just fundamentalists	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#106
i ll see you that and raise you this	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#114
So?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#117
yeah, maybe	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#121
The proper term should be	Jawja	Aug 2012	#136
And yet they say that God created man in God's image. In the same	Maraya1969	Aug 2012	#144
Christ was not a Christian	Angry Dragon	Aug 2012	#89
We have tried that approach...	noel711	Aug 2012	#2
We've obviously not tried very hard nt	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#3
That passage gives them no excuse to interpret it that way	treestar	Aug 2012	#141
"John Fugelsang will take on religious right on new TV show"	Ruby the Liberal	Aug 2012	#5
After the religious right mobilize against this show	sadbear	Aug 2012	#24
Either you change what you do, or the situation will continue.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#125
this leftist wants nothing to do with christianity....	mike_c	Aug 2012	#6
The search for truth does not require allies, but politics does.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#126
Absolutely, but liberal/progressive christian groups need to	cbayer	Aug 2012	#7
"some strong and loud leadership"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#11
Not clear at all as to what you are saying here.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#13
"strong and loud leadership" is their problem, not the solution	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#17
The analogy doesn't fit at all. MLK ring a bell? Jesse Jackson? Coretta Scott King?	cbayer	Aug 2012	#19
Malcolm X also rings a bell	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#25
That's the basis of the whole argument.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#29
You see these guys behind MLK?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#34
Yes, they were a part of the coalition. That's what progressive religious people do -	cbayer	Aug 2012	#40
And they were a part of the anti-segregation coalition	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#50
I don't disagree with anything you have said.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#56
MLK was also an African American	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#120
Liberal Christian here	Freddie	Aug 2012	#21
I agree, which is why it's difficult to build activist organizations.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#23
Their narrow minded selfishness	HappyMe	Aug 2012	#9
Here in the Bible Belt, I have to agree with JBerryHill's reply above.	JohnnyLib2	Aug 2012	#10
This goes back to the early 90s and the culture wars	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#20
I'm not sure what you mean by "get back to the core words". Also, the so-called "values voter" is	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#75
Don't want it	Major Nikon	Aug 2012	#12
Why should it matter?	ananda	Aug 2012	#14
Think about the Civil Rights Movement?	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#18
"entirely grounded in Christian rhetoric"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#30
and what is your point?	kwassa	Aug 2012	#70
To "minimize"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#73
I think you are trying very hard to minimize the role of Chrisitianity in the Civil Rights movement.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#110
Oh, okay, we'll just count on you to point out the "real Christians"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#111
I don't have the power to decree someone Christian or not.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#138
Behold this picture of evolution	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#149
And, by the way...	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#118
The church was the center of the black community in the South.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#137
Listen to MLK's speeches	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#133
Yeah, id like an answer there, too.	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#82
They don't count	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#91
I'd like you to read this	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2012	#99
Agreed	Sherman A1	Aug 2012	#135
The Christian "brand" has been pretty sordid from the beginning	nichomachus	Aug 2012	#15
I think you guys should start calling yourselves something else.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#26
I don't want the term	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#27
Yes, easily. The most difficult thing is starting something. Christianity is a left-wing religion.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#28
Christianity is supposed to be a left-wing religion.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#32
Ideas don't change because people use the name of the idea for something else.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#38
They've defined christianity better than you have.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#39
Of course it isn't what they say it is. It's what it is.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#41
Yes, to you, it is what it is.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#42
Well, then everyone else is wrong.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#45
And what was it for 18 centuries before the US came along?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#48
If altruism doesn't interest you...	sibelian	Aug 2012	#52
Lol, was that an intentionally ironic statement?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#62
Why are you asking me?	sibelian	Aug 2012	#122
It's been hyjacked by the right. The new teatament is an early socialist reading.	demosincebirth	Aug 2012	#95
Good luck with that. They took Jesus out of Christianity centuries ago.......	RagAss	Aug 2012	#31
The Left did in the 1960s	JaneQPublic	Aug 2012	#33
we could start here	handmade34	Aug 2012	#36
I'd be Episcopalian	Freddie	Aug 2012	#102
+1 nt	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#142
I have two opposing responses to that question.	LWolf	Aug 2012	#49
I have 2 answers for your great questions	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#134
Am I correct in assuming that we certainly don't mean to include "Catholics"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#51
Would Jesus wear that hat? nt	Live and Learn	Aug 2012	#53
I have no idea	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#64
Yeah, but..., but..., but...,	RC	Aug 2012	#60
You might want to talk to some of the Catholic nuns.	Comrade Grumpy	Aug 2012	#79
The conclusion being...	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#90
Good lord, why would anyone want to? nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#55
Because the original idelogical spine of Christianity was altruism.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#58
Fuck Christianity. Why not take back altruism? nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#63
That attitude won't get you far in what is a predominantly Christian nation.	Comrade Grumpy	Aug 2012	#81
I'm not criticizing the Xtians, but if the prize is altruism why bother with Xtianity?	valerief	Aug 2012	#104
Because the original ideological spine of Christianity is altruism.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#124
So altruism was there first. Why isn't altruism good enough? nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#127
Ask humanity.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#145
Take back altruism? From whom?	sibelian	Aug 2012	#123
I'm not the OP. I'm just using the OP's language. nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#128
Well, you buy or you don't I assume.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#147
I think the left would serve the nation better by not associating itself	Skidmore	Aug 2012	#59
+1 brazillion	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#66
Strange that you have Jimmy Carter as an avatar	DerekG	Aug 2012	#71
So was George W. Bush	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#76
Jimmy Carter was and is a walking Jesus billboard.	DerekG	Aug 2012	#78
I don't think Carter would support theocratizing the country, however.	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#85
You're right, he wouldn't.	DerekG	Aug 2012	#88
I'm generally dismissive of religion, myself	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#108
It isn't despite being a Christian, it is because he is a Christian.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#112
So did Jerry Falwell	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#113
I disagree. It is not projection, it is selection.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#139
So was George W Bush	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#87
But do you think Carter's pronounced religiosity changed political discourse for the worse?	DerekG	Aug 2012	#92
It very well may have	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#93
It's about principles and values, not "associating" the left with 1 religion nt	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#96
There is no need to take back the word "Christian."	Skidmore	Aug 2012	#107
Yes, precisely because the far-right don't deserve the label	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#132
No.	AngryOldDem	Aug 2012	#61
They can and should	Taverner	Aug 2012	#65
I'd love to see a return to Liberation Theology.	white_wolf	Aug 2012	#67
In all honestly though I think leftism will be more popular in non traditional religions.	white_wolf	Aug 2012	#68
"Christian" (and "Christianity") = bait and switch	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#69
I have to agree...	Snoozin	Aug 2012	#72
I would rather be associated with progressive thinkers then with a religion	Marrah_G	Aug 2012	#74
I prefer "Jesusonian" n/t	Blue_In_AK	Aug 2012	#77
This message was self-deleted by its author	DevonRex	Aug 2012	#80
We don't want it.	randome	Aug 2012	#83
When, in the entire history of Christianity	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#84
Thats a w-i-d-e brush you have there. Try St Anthonys or Glide Memorial church in SF or St Vincent	demosincebirth	Aug 2012	#94
It is purposefully "wide brush".	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#109
I guess you didn't check them out, so your point is moot. It's spurious.	demosincebirth	Aug 2012	#119
The moot point is checking them out	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#140
"Let's re-emphasise the altrusitic components of Christianity!"	sibelian	Aug 2012	#146
No.	rrneck	Aug 2012	#86
Liberal Christians can certainly make their	DevonRex	Aug 2012	#97
Don't want it.	Iggo	Aug 2012	#98
Good god, I hope not.	Alduin	Aug 2012	#100
Let's take back Zoroastrianism first	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#101
the problem	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#103
Can the people spot corporate hacks?	just1voice	Aug 2012	#115
nobody owns the term...asshole republicans hijacked and use it.	spanone	Aug 2012	#116
They can have it.	moobu2	Aug 2012	#129
We can and we SHOULD. K&R!	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#130
I don't care what we call it. What matters is what people do and theocracy will accomplish the	patrice	Aug 2012	#131
The brand is damaged....	lib2DaBone	Aug 2012	#143

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