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91. They don't count

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Can the left take back the term "Christian"? [View all] CabCurious Aug 2012 OP

IMHO, the brand is damaged beyond repair jberryhill Aug 2012 #1

The words of Jesus still can leverage change in those communities CabCurious Aug 2012 #4

Was the question about the word "Christian", or not? jberryhill Aug 2012 #8

I respect your point CabCurious Aug 2012 #16

Find another word for it jberryhill Aug 2012 #22

Christianity is liberalism Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #35

Does the Christian God believe in Freedom of Religion? jberryhill Aug 2012 #37

Yes, absolutely. Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #43

So the first commandment is just sort of a suggestion jberryhill Aug 2012 #44

If you want to be a victim of intolerance so much so that you seek it out... Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #46

What? jberryhill Aug 2012 #47

I share some of your beliefs... Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #54

"Jesus was around some 2000 years ago" - Either that or a myth was started some 2000 years ago. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #57

And your deflection and accusation over such a simple question is why cleanhippie Aug 2012 #148

i dont think my arely staircase Aug 2012 #105

It's not just fundamentalists jberryhill Aug 2012 #106

i ll see you that and raise you this arely staircase Aug 2012 #114

So? jberryhill Aug 2012 #117

yeah, maybe arely staircase Aug 2012 #121

The proper term should be Jawja Aug 2012 #136

And yet they say that God created man in God's image. In the same Maraya1969 Aug 2012 #144

Christ was not a Christian Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #89

We have tried that approach... noel711 Aug 2012 #2

We've obviously not tried very hard nt CabCurious Aug 2012 #3

That passage gives them no excuse to interpret it that way treestar Aug 2012 #141

"John Fugelsang will take on religious right on new TV show" Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #5

After the religious right mobilize against this show sadbear Aug 2012 #24

Either you change what you do, or the situation will continue. sibelian Aug 2012 #125

this leftist wants nothing to do with christianity.... mike_c Aug 2012 #6

The search for truth does not require allies, but politics does. sibelian Aug 2012 #126

Absolutely, but liberal/progressive christian groups need to cbayer Aug 2012 #7

"some strong and loud leadership" jberryhill Aug 2012 #11

Not clear at all as to what you are saying here. cbayer Aug 2012 #13

"strong and loud leadership" is their problem, not the solution jberryhill Aug 2012 #17

The analogy doesn't fit at all. MLK ring a bell? Jesse Jackson? Coretta Scott King? cbayer Aug 2012 #19

Malcolm X also rings a bell jberryhill Aug 2012 #25

That's the basis of the whole argument. cbayer Aug 2012 #29

You see these guys behind MLK? jberryhill Aug 2012 #34

Yes, they were a part of the coalition. That's what progressive religious people do - cbayer Aug 2012 #40

And they were a part of the anti-segregation coalition jberryhill Aug 2012 #50

I don't disagree with anything you have said. cbayer Aug 2012 #56

MLK was also an African American jberryhill Aug 2012 #120

Liberal Christian here Freddie Aug 2012 #21

I agree, which is why it's difficult to build activist organizations. cbayer Aug 2012 #23

Their narrow minded selfishness HappyMe Aug 2012 #9

Here in the Bible Belt, I have to agree with JBerryHill's reply above. JohnnyLib2 Aug 2012 #10

This goes back to the early 90s and the culture wars CabCurious Aug 2012 #20

I'm not sure what you mean by "get back to the core words". Also, the so-called "values voter" is Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #75

Don't want it Major Nikon Aug 2012 #12

Why should it matter? ananda Aug 2012 #14

Think about the Civil Rights Movement? CabCurious Aug 2012 #18

"entirely grounded in Christian rhetoric" jberryhill Aug 2012 #30

and what is your point? kwassa Aug 2012 #70

To "minimize" jberryhill Aug 2012 #73

I think you are trying very hard to minimize the role of Chrisitianity in the Civil Rights movement. kwassa Aug 2012 #110

Oh, okay, we'll just count on you to point out the "real Christians" jberryhill Aug 2012 #111

I don't have the power to decree someone Christian or not. kwassa Aug 2012 #138

Behold this picture of evolution jberryhill Aug 2012 #149

And, by the way... jberryhill Aug 2012 #118

The church was the center of the black community in the South. kwassa Aug 2012 #137

Listen to MLK's speeches CabCurious Aug 2012 #133

Yeah, id like an answer there, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #82

They don't count jberryhill Aug 2012 #91

I'd like you to read this nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #99

Agreed Sherman A1 Aug 2012 #135

The Christian "brand" has been pretty sordid from the beginning nichomachus Aug 2012 #15

I think you guys should start calling yourselves something else. sadbear Aug 2012 #26

I don't want the term MattBaggins Aug 2012 #27

Yes, easily. The most difficult thing is starting something. Christianity is a left-wing religion. sibelian Aug 2012 #28

Christianity is supposed to be a left-wing religion. sadbear Aug 2012 #32

Ideas don't change because people use the name of the idea for something else. sibelian Aug 2012 #38

They've defined christianity better than you have. sadbear Aug 2012 #39

Of course it isn't what they say it is. It's what it *is*. sibelian Aug 2012 #41

Yes, to you, it is what it is. sadbear Aug 2012 #42

Well, then everyone else is wrong. sibelian Aug 2012 #45

And what was it for 18 centuries before the US came along? jberryhill Aug 2012 #48

If altruism doesn't interest you... sibelian Aug 2012 #52

Lol, was that an intentionally ironic statement? jberryhill Aug 2012 #62

Why are you asking me? sibelian Aug 2012 #122

It's been hyjacked by the right. The new teatament is an early socialist reading. demosincebirth Aug 2012 #95

Good luck with that. They took Jesus out of Christianity centuries ago....... RagAss Aug 2012 #31

The Left did in the 1960s JaneQPublic Aug 2012 #33

we could start here handmade34 Aug 2012 #36

I'd be Episcopalian Freddie Aug 2012 #102

+1 nt arely staircase Aug 2012 #142

I have two opposing responses to that question. LWolf Aug 2012 #49

I have 2 answers for your great questions CabCurious Aug 2012 #134

Am I correct in assuming that we certainly don't mean to include "Catholics" jberryhill Aug 2012 #51

Would Jesus wear that hat? nt Live and Learn Aug 2012 #53

I have no idea jberryhill Aug 2012 #64

Yeah, but..., but..., but..., RC Aug 2012 #60

You might want to talk to some of the Catholic nuns. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #79

The conclusion being... jberryhill Aug 2012 #90

Good lord, why would anyone want to? nt valerief Aug 2012 #55

Because the original idelogical spine of Christianity was altruism. sibelian Aug 2012 #58

Fuck Christianity. Why not take back altruism? nt valerief Aug 2012 #63

That attitude won't get you far in what is a predominantly Christian nation. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #81

I'm not criticizing the Xtians, but if the prize is altruism why bother with Xtianity? valerief Aug 2012 #104

Because the original ideological spine of Christianity is altruism. sibelian Aug 2012 #124

So altruism was there first. Why isn't altruism good enough? nt valerief Aug 2012 #127

Ask humanity. sibelian Aug 2012 #145

Take back altruism? From whom? sibelian Aug 2012 #123

I'm not the OP. I'm just using the OP's language. nt valerief Aug 2012 #128

Well, you buy or you don't I assume. sibelian Aug 2012 #147

I think the left would serve the nation better by not associating itself Skidmore Aug 2012 #59

+1 brazillion jberryhill Aug 2012 #66

Strange that you have Jimmy Carter as an avatar DerekG Aug 2012 #71

So was George W. Bush jberryhill Aug 2012 #76

Jimmy Carter was and is a walking Jesus billboard. DerekG Aug 2012 #78

I don't think Carter would support theocratizing the country, however. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #85

You're right, he wouldn't. DerekG Aug 2012 #88

I'm generally dismissive of religion, myself MNBrewer Aug 2012 #108

It isn't despite being a Christian, it is because he is a Christian. kwassa Aug 2012 #112

So did Jerry Falwell jberryhill Aug 2012 #113

I disagree. It is not projection, it is selection. kwassa Aug 2012 #139

So was George W Bush jberryhill Aug 2012 #87

But do you think Carter's pronounced religiosity changed political discourse for the worse? DerekG Aug 2012 #92

It very well may have jberryhill Aug 2012 #93

It's about principles and values, not "associating" the left with 1 religion nt CabCurious Aug 2012 #96

There is no need to take back the word "Christian." Skidmore Aug 2012 #107

Yes, precisely because the far-right don't deserve the label CabCurious Aug 2012 #132

No. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #61

They can and should Taverner Aug 2012 #65

I'd love to see a return to Liberation Theology. white_wolf Aug 2012 #67

In all honestly though I think leftism will be more popular in non traditional religions. white_wolf Aug 2012 #68

"Christian" (and "Christianity") = bait and switch AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #69

I have to agree... Snoozin Aug 2012 #72

I would rather be associated with progressive thinkers then with a religion Marrah_G Aug 2012 #74

I prefer "Jesusonian" n/t Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex Aug 2012 #80

We don't want it. randome Aug 2012 #83

When, in the entire history of Christianity MNBrewer Aug 2012 #84

Thats a w-i-d-e brush you have there. Try St Anthonys or Glide Memorial church in SF or St Vincent demosincebirth Aug 2012 #94

It is purposefully "wide brush". MNBrewer Aug 2012 #109

I guess you didn't check them out, so your point is moot. It's spurious. demosincebirth Aug 2012 #119

The moot point is checking them out MNBrewer Aug 2012 #140

"Let's re-emphasise the altrusitic components of Christianity!" sibelian Aug 2012 #146

No. rrneck Aug 2012 #86

Liberal Christians can certainly make their DevonRex Aug 2012 #97

Don't want it. Iggo Aug 2012 #98

Good god, I hope not. Alduin Aug 2012 #100

Let's take back Zoroastrianism first jberryhill Aug 2012 #101

the problem arely staircase Aug 2012 #103

Can the people spot corporate hacks? just1voice Aug 2012 #115

nobody owns the term...asshole republicans hijacked and use it. spanone Aug 2012 #116

They can have it. moobu2 Aug 2012 #129

We can and we SHOULD. K&R! Zalatix Aug 2012 #130

I don't care what we call it. What matters is what people do and theocracy will accomplish the patrice Aug 2012 #131

The brand is damaged.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #143