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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:00 PM

valerief (35,681 posts)

55. Good lord, why would anyone want to? nt

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149 replies	Author	Time	Post
Can the left take back the term "Christian"? [View all]	CabCurious	Aug 2012	OP
IMHO, the brand is damaged beyond repair	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#1
The words of Jesus still can leverage change in those communities	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#4
Was the question about the word "Christian", or not?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#8
I respect your point	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#16
Find another word for it	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#22
Christianity is liberalism	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#35
Does the Christian God believe in Freedom of Religion?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#37
Yes, absolutely.	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#43
So the first commandment is just sort of a suggestion	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#44
If you want to be a victim of intolerance so much so that you seek it out...	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#46
What?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#47
I share some of your beliefs...	Swamp Lover	Aug 2012	#54
"Jesus was around some 2000 years ago" - Either that or a myth was started some 2000 years ago.	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#57
And your deflection and accusation over such a simple question is why	cleanhippie	Aug 2012	#148
i dont think my	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#105
It's not just fundamentalists	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#106
i ll see you that and raise you this	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#114
So?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#117
yeah, maybe	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#121
The proper term should be	Jawja	Aug 2012	#136
And yet they say that God created man in God's image. In the same	Maraya1969	Aug 2012	#144
Christ was not a Christian	Angry Dragon	Aug 2012	#89
We have tried that approach...	noel711	Aug 2012	#2
We've obviously not tried very hard nt	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#3
That passage gives them no excuse to interpret it that way	treestar	Aug 2012	#141
"John Fugelsang will take on religious right on new TV show"	Ruby the Liberal	Aug 2012	#5
After the religious right mobilize against this show	sadbear	Aug 2012	#24
Either you change what you do, or the situation will continue.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#125
this leftist wants nothing to do with christianity....	mike_c	Aug 2012	#6
The search for truth does not require allies, but politics does.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#126
Absolutely, but liberal/progressive christian groups need to	cbayer	Aug 2012	#7
"some strong and loud leadership"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#11
Not clear at all as to what you are saying here.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#13
"strong and loud leadership" is their problem, not the solution	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#17
The analogy doesn't fit at all. MLK ring a bell? Jesse Jackson? Coretta Scott King?	cbayer	Aug 2012	#19
Malcolm X also rings a bell	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#25
That's the basis of the whole argument.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#29
You see these guys behind MLK?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#34
Yes, they were a part of the coalition. That's what progressive religious people do -	cbayer	Aug 2012	#40
And they were a part of the anti-segregation coalition	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#50
I don't disagree with anything you have said.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#56
MLK was also an African American	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#120
Liberal Christian here	Freddie	Aug 2012	#21
I agree, which is why it's difficult to build activist organizations.	cbayer	Aug 2012	#23
Their narrow minded selfishness	HappyMe	Aug 2012	#9
Here in the Bible Belt, I have to agree with JBerryHill's reply above.	JohnnyLib2	Aug 2012	#10
This goes back to the early 90s and the culture wars	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#20
I'm not sure what you mean by "get back to the core words". Also, the so-called "values voter" is	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#75
Don't want it	Major Nikon	Aug 2012	#12
Why should it matter?	ananda	Aug 2012	#14
Think about the Civil Rights Movement?	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#18
"entirely grounded in Christian rhetoric"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#30
and what is your point?	kwassa	Aug 2012	#70
To "minimize"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#73
I think you are trying very hard to minimize the role of Chrisitianity in the Civil Rights movement.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#110
Oh, okay, we'll just count on you to point out the "real Christians"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#111
I don't have the power to decree someone Christian or not.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#138
Behold this picture of evolution	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#149
And, by the way...	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#118
The church was the center of the black community in the South.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#137
Listen to MLK's speeches	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#133
Yeah, id like an answer there, too.	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2012	#82
They don't count	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#91
I'd like you to read this	nadinbrzezinski	Aug 2012	#99
Agreed	Sherman A1	Aug 2012	#135
The Christian "brand" has been pretty sordid from the beginning	nichomachus	Aug 2012	#15
I think you guys should start calling yourselves something else.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#26
I don't want the term	MattBaggins	Aug 2012	#27
Yes, easily. The most difficult thing is starting something. Christianity is a left-wing religion.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#28
Christianity is supposed to be a left-wing religion.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#32
Ideas don't change because people use the name of the idea for something else.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#38
They've defined christianity better than you have.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#39
Of course it isn't what they say it is. It's what it is.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#41
Yes, to you, it is what it is.	sadbear	Aug 2012	#42
Well, then everyone else is wrong.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#45
And what was it for 18 centuries before the US came along?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#48
If altruism doesn't interest you...	sibelian	Aug 2012	#52
Lol, was that an intentionally ironic statement?	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#62
Why are you asking me?	sibelian	Aug 2012	#122
It's been hyjacked by the right. The new teatament is an early socialist reading.	demosincebirth	Aug 2012	#95
Good luck with that. They took Jesus out of Christianity centuries ago.......	RagAss	Aug 2012	#31
The Left did in the 1960s	JaneQPublic	Aug 2012	#33
we could start here	handmade34	Aug 2012	#36
I'd be Episcopalian	Freddie	Aug 2012	#102
+1 nt	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#142
I have two opposing responses to that question.	LWolf	Aug 2012	#49
I have 2 answers for your great questions	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#134
Am I correct in assuming that we certainly don't mean to include "Catholics"	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#51
Would Jesus wear that hat? nt	Live and Learn	Aug 2012	#53
I have no idea	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#64
Yeah, but..., but..., but...,	RC	Aug 2012	#60
You might want to talk to some of the Catholic nuns.	Comrade Grumpy	Aug 2012	#79
The conclusion being...	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#90
Good lord, why would anyone want to? nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#55
Because the original idelogical spine of Christianity was altruism.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#58
Fuck Christianity. Why not take back altruism? nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#63
That attitude won't get you far in what is a predominantly Christian nation.	Comrade Grumpy	Aug 2012	#81
I'm not criticizing the Xtians, but if the prize is altruism why bother with Xtianity?	valerief	Aug 2012	#104
Because the original ideological spine of Christianity is altruism.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#124
So altruism was there first. Why isn't altruism good enough? nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#127
Ask humanity.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#145
Take back altruism? From whom?	sibelian	Aug 2012	#123
I'm not the OP. I'm just using the OP's language. nt	valerief	Aug 2012	#128
Well, you buy or you don't I assume.	sibelian	Aug 2012	#147
I think the left would serve the nation better by not associating itself	Skidmore	Aug 2012	#59
+1 brazillion	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#66
Strange that you have Jimmy Carter as an avatar	DerekG	Aug 2012	#71
So was George W. Bush	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#76
Jimmy Carter was and is a walking Jesus billboard.	DerekG	Aug 2012	#78
I don't think Carter would support theocratizing the country, however.	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#85
You're right, he wouldn't.	DerekG	Aug 2012	#88
I'm generally dismissive of religion, myself	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#108
It isn't despite being a Christian, it is because he is a Christian.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#112
So did Jerry Falwell	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#113
I disagree. It is not projection, it is selection.	kwassa	Aug 2012	#139
So was George W Bush	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#87
But do you think Carter's pronounced religiosity changed political discourse for the worse?	DerekG	Aug 2012	#92
It very well may have	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#93
It's about principles and values, not "associating" the left with 1 religion nt	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#96
There is no need to take back the word "Christian."	Skidmore	Aug 2012	#107
Yes, precisely because the far-right don't deserve the label	CabCurious	Aug 2012	#132
No.	AngryOldDem	Aug 2012	#61
They can and should	Taverner	Aug 2012	#65
I'd love to see a return to Liberation Theology.	white_wolf	Aug 2012	#67
In all honestly though I think leftism will be more popular in non traditional religions.	white_wolf	Aug 2012	#68
"Christian" (and "Christianity") = bait and switch	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2012	#69
I have to agree...	Snoozin	Aug 2012	#72
I would rather be associated with progressive thinkers then with a religion	Marrah_G	Aug 2012	#74
I prefer "Jesusonian" n/t	Blue_In_AK	Aug 2012	#77
This message was self-deleted by its author	DevonRex	Aug 2012	#80
We don't want it.	randome	Aug 2012	#83
When, in the entire history of Christianity	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#84
Thats a w-i-d-e brush you have there. Try St Anthonys or Glide Memorial church in SF or St Vincent	demosincebirth	Aug 2012	#94
It is purposefully "wide brush".	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#109
I guess you didn't check them out, so your point is moot. It's spurious.	demosincebirth	Aug 2012	#119
The moot point is checking them out	MNBrewer	Aug 2012	#140
"Let's re-emphasise the altrusitic components of Christianity!"	sibelian	Aug 2012	#146
No.	rrneck	Aug 2012	#86
Liberal Christians can certainly make their	DevonRex	Aug 2012	#97
Don't want it.	Iggo	Aug 2012	#98
Good god, I hope not.	Alduin	Aug 2012	#100
Let's take back Zoroastrianism first	jberryhill	Aug 2012	#101
the problem	arely staircase	Aug 2012	#103
Can the people spot corporate hacks?	just1voice	Aug 2012	#115
nobody owns the term...asshole republicans hijacked and use it.	spanone	Aug 2012	#116
They can have it.	moobu2	Aug 2012	#129
We can and we SHOULD. K&R!	Zalatix	Aug 2012	#130
I don't care what we call it. What matters is what people do and theocracy will accomplish the	patrice	Aug 2012	#131
The brand is damaged....	lib2DaBone	Aug 2012	#143

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