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stockholmer

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25. I think that the US can keep on racking up massive debt, and thus keep the game going for at least
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 07:44 AM
Aug 2012

Last edited Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:47 PM - Edit history (1)

10 plus years. Using very simple math, if the US GDP is 15 trillion per year, I could see the current situation being maintained even with a 30 to 35 trillion dollar federal debt, although this is utterly dependent on a ZIRP regime of financial repression being enforced. Just a an uptick to, say 5 or 7% in Fed's baseline rate would (even at todays 16 trillion debt) mean well over 1 trillion per year payments in debt service alone. At that point, the global bond market will flay the USA alive, as a 'flight to safety' will no longer be the historical default position of US dollars and treasuries.

This (ability to keep the ponzi scheme of debt going) is due to one main fact; the US dollar is enforced as the world's reserve currency (especially through it's petrol dollar linkage) via its empiric gunboat diplomacy. Another thing that drives the trillions in hot money into US treasuries and dollars is a 'beggar-thy-neighbor' policy that emanates out the global banking system via The City of London and Wall Street.

The 800-pound gorillas in the room are Medicare, (not Social Security) which has close to 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and the total notional value of global derivatives, which is well over 1 quadrillion. These derivatives, should they even suffer a 10% failure rate (or 100 to 125 trillion dollars) will be sorely pushed to be made whole (see AIG in 2008/2009) for the benefits of the private banksters, whilst the debt load is dumped onto the globe's citizens. This is the essence of neo-feudalism.

This all said, a Ryan-style regime of austerity will hasten the fall, as will a failure to break the clock of the private bank's network of global systemic control (including their national and supra-national central banks ie. the Fed, ECB, BoC, IMF, BoE, World Bank, the BIS, etc), and a removal of the profit motive for healthcare in the US via a single-payer scheme.

It won't matter to the entrenched Republicans, and even some moderates jpljr77 Aug 2012 #1
We got to push this the same way Reagan pushed it in 1984 against Mondale. WI_DEM Aug 2012 #2
"The Plan Would Have To" DallasNE Aug 2012 #3
He hasn't spelled it out, but he's talked a lot about "closing loopholes" starroute Aug 2012 #4
Just a reminder of what the past looked like (adjusted for inflation): JHB Aug 2012 #5
those rates, if enacted today, would turn America into a 3rd world country within 5 to 10 years stockholmer Aug 2012 #23
Debate about the best rates is fine, that's why I posted this JHB Aug 2012 #24
I think that the US can keep on racking up massive debt, and thus keep the game going for at least stockholmer Aug 2012 #25
+1, define what rMoney would do by what he did in the past if he doesn't want to spell it out uponit7771 Aug 2012 #11
Krugman Is Saying Much The Same Thing i Say DallasNE Aug 2012 #14
I think Krugman is being far too optimistic starroute Aug 2012 #17
Let me guess who the other 5% are Bucky Aug 2012 #6
rMoney's plan is to raise taxes on the "job creators" -- the consumers whose purchases SDjack Aug 2012 #7
K&R!! n/t hue Aug 2012 #8
I was ready to applaud this hfojvt Aug 2012 #9
This is the problem with accountants and mathematicians JDPriestly Aug 2012 #12
what a terrible thing it is to look at facts, eh? hfojvt Aug 2012 #18
A higher standard deduction would be great, but it won't happen. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #20
well then by all means, we MUST keep all those tax breaks for the rich hfojvt Aug 2012 #21
You are forgetting the child care deduction, the student loan interest deduction. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #26
actually no I am not hfojvt Aug 2012 #27
Mitt's Goose is Cooked bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #10
Why yes this is a major issue! Quantess Aug 2012 #13
And their (Repubs) response will be.......... mrmpa Aug 2012 #15
But, But ... I Thought Republicans Were Anti Tax Increases - Say It Ain't So Mitt! cantbeserious Aug 2012 #16
Might have to wait a few days to break this news to conservatives. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #19
So, Republicans are LYING about taxes... Berlum Aug 2012 #22
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