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In the discussion thread: Obama should never have signed the NDAA into law, signing statements or not. [View all]

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:19 PM

62. Where do you get all the hay for the straw men you constantly erect? No one said that.

If you want to try to change the populaces view on war and general aggressiveness, go ahead. I'll probably even try and help.

Beating up Obama is not going to do that. That is not going to change how people view this at all. That is where you and various others go wrong.

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67 replies	Author	Time	Post
Obama should never have signed the NDAA into law, signing statements or not. [View all]	mmonk	Jan 2012	OP
Recess Appointments	bonnarati	Jan 2012	#1
Of course not.	RC	Jan 2012	#3
This message was self-deleted by its author	Robb	Jan 2012	#5
Oops.	Robb	Jan 2012	#67
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#8
Actually the Dems did do it once or twice.	TheWraith	Jan 2012	#16
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#22
Alito should have been fillibustered no matter the cost.	yourout	Jan 2012	#27
There can NOT be any recess appointments made, because Congress is NOT in recess	Tx4obama	Jan 2012	#18
he doesnt want to look weak. like bill clinton who let a man be	roguevalley	Jan 2012	#26
I'm sure defunding the troops would have went over great with voters.	MjolnirTime	Jan 2012	#2
Somehow the wars would continue as usual.	RC	Jan 2012	#4
Do you have a point?	MjolnirTime	Jan 2012	#6
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#9
Yeah, and I made it.	RC	Jan 2012	#13
Defunding the troops ended the war in Vietnam.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2012	#10
No troops were defunded.	former9thward	Jan 2012	#23
So now we get to pass all kinds of fascist, unconstitutional shit because to not do so	Downtown Hound	Jan 2012	#30
Brilliant.	SomethingFishy	Jan 2012	#31
It would have left our troops without pay until Congress would override his veto	boxman15	Jan 2012	#7
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#11
Isn't that what he did with the signing statement?	boxman15	Jan 2012	#12
"Isn't that what he did with the signing statement?" Um, no. It's not.	Downtown Hound	Jan 2012	#33
I wish you were right.	boxman15	Jan 2012	#38
You know, I've heard all this shit before	Downtown Hound	Jan 2012	#59
A "real" leader would raise, and possibly go "all-in"	PurityOfEssence	Jan 2012	#15
I could not have said it better	Oilwellian	Jan 2012	#17
Good point, especially since the signing statement hands detainee status to the Sec of Defense.	sad sally	Jan 2012	#24
Wow. I think I need a cigarette after reading your post.	Downtown Hound	Jan 2012	#29
That is fucking bullshit.	boxman15	Jan 2012	#40
The idea that vetoing the bill would have HANDED 2012 to the Republicans is a pretty tenuous one	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#47
This action BY CONGRESS is inexplicable and unforgivable, no? What's the hidden backstory here?	proverbialwisdom	Jan 2012	#50
As MNBrewer pointed out	Downtown Hound	Jan 2012	#60
Very well said. n/t	A Simple Game	Jan 2012	#43
I for one refuse to be held hostage by this fascist crap that we always have to appear to support	Downtown Hound	Jan 2012	#34
Why would letting troops go without pay until Congress overrides a symbolic veto do any good?	boxman15	Jan 2012	#41
The Republicans are coming, the Republicans are coming!!!	A Simple Game	Jan 2012	#44
Do you REALLY think the troops would have gone without pay?	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#49
Again, you state it as fact that a veto would hand the presidency to the GOP	Downtown Hound	Jan 2012	#61
No, it wouldn't. Bush pulled this garbage also.	sabrina 1	Jan 2012	#58
I wonder what kind of other vile shit will be stuffed in a future Defense bill that	neverforget	Jan 2012	#14
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#20
Even if Pres Obama would have vetoed it, an override by Congress would have been likely	Tx4obama	Jan 2012	#19
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tesha	Jan 2012	#21
Force their hand.	mmonk	Jan 2012	#25
Not likely at all.	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#51
I'm sorry to say....	unkachuck	Jan 2012	#28
Man, forget it... you'll never get through.	SomethingFishy	Jan 2012	#32
Worse, it will be supported no matter what is in it and anything except going off the	TheKentuckian	Jan 2012	#35
I agree	Remember Me	Jan 2012	#36
I disagree. Vetoing would have been political suicide.	Avalux	Jan 2012	#37
Vetoing would have been a huge gift to whoever the Repug nominee will be, that's for sure.	stevenleser	Jan 2012	#39
So instead of just caving to a Republican house of representatives,	A Simple Game	Jan 2012	#46
Actually it's caving to the will of the governed.	stevenleser	Jan 2012	#48
When did the governed weigh in on this?	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#52
You mean like everytime defunding the troops gets brought up, or election time? Besides those times?	stevenleser	Jan 2012	#56
People who are anti-war should STFU because the hysterical majority can be stampeded into war?	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#57
Where do you get all the hay for the straw men you constantly erect? No one said that.	stevenleser	Jan 2012	#62
Your straw man is that Obama's veto would have "handed" the 2012 election to the GOP	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#66
Wow, that spin must have made you dizzy. n/t	A Simple Game	Jan 2012	#54
No spin, it is what I have been saying all along. Read my first post in this thread.	stevenleser	Jan 2012	#55
So it's not spin because you say it?	A Simple Game	Jan 2012	#63
It's not spin at the third or fourth comment if you have been saying it all along...	stevenleser	Jan 2012	#64
You either don't know the definition of spin or	A Simple Game	Jan 2012	#65
he did the politically expedient thing	paulk	Jan 2012	#42
+1	MNBrewer	Jan 2012	#53
hope	Ichingcarpenter	Jan 2012	#45

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