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4th law of robotics

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60. We've had a great many wars with a draft

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:59 PM

Jul 2012

not to mention the draft is fairly antithetical to our whole notion of freedom and personal liberty.

I would be ok with a mandatory period, say three months after finishing HS, of national guard type training (so military + emergency response) with no military obligation.

It would provide useful skills to kids, a sense of community, and a huge reservoir of people should we need to bulk up the military in the future.

But no obligation to serve in combat.

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Do You Want to End Unnecessary American Wars? Reinstate the Draft [View all] louis c Jul 2012 OP

The Draft Will Never Be Reinstated. TheMastersNemesis Jul 2012 #1

Right elleng Jul 2012 #3

+1. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #21

I knew that during Bush's stolen Presidency lunatica Jul 2012 #24

Been my thought for a long time. elleng Jul 2012 #2

only way to get middle America to notice the wars anymore lunasun Jul 2012 #4

Evidently wrong. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #5

"War is a racket. OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #7

Actually Europe hasn't had a war since they opened borders pampango Jul 2012 #34

I'm sure if we had the two greatest wars in history on our continent 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #59

Well, there were the Indian Wars... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #62

You're overlooking changes in media and communications since the Korean war ended.... Scuba Jul 2012 #18

No I didn't. I said that actually the situation now is worse than in the 60s. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #22

I strongly disagree. You start drafting the sons and daughters of the wealthy and ... Scuba Jul 2012 #23

And when has that ever happened? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #25

First of all, lack of a draft certainly hasn't slowed the war machine... Scuba Jul 2012 #26

50000 casualties in Vietnam compared to 3500 in Iraq. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #28

people who want the draft 2pooped2pop Jul 2012 #32

It's basically a bunch of wash-outs hoping to feel relevant again Scootaloo Jul 2012 #37

Not this boomer. Fuck the draft. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #40

I'm considered a boomer 2pooped2pop Jul 2012 #50

Don't have children of that age and/ or are not of draft age Drale Jul 2012 #53

and they don't take care of the ones they have either 2pooped2pop Jul 2012 #55

Too late for mitt's sons...they are too old riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #6

Too old to die for your country? I think not. Scuba Jul 2012 #19

The flaw in your proposal is it would never affect children of the wealthy jeff47 Jul 2012 #8

Only if it was mandatory service,like Israel has w8liftinglady Jul 2012 #9

Yeah.....no abelenkpe Jul 2012 #10

War bonds.... nc4bo Jul 2012 #11

Vietnam was almost unique in having a low % of draftees, WWII was about 70% draftee, Vietnam 30% braddy Jul 2012 #12

The WWII draft was more of a filter than a vacuum sucker. Zalatix Aug 2012 #81

Actually the WWII draft was to get men into the combat units, 93% of the army was drafted. braddy Aug 2012 #82

Yes, but in WW-II men were desperate to go. They wanted designation 1A. Zalatix Aug 2012 #83

Evidently not, they needed the draft to fill the ground forces, seafaring forces were 36% drafted braddy Aug 2012 #85

That's like re-instituting slavery to show how Jim Crow is wrong. Bad idea. To this I say... Zalatix Jul 2012 #13

A "War Tax" would be better. toddwv Jul 2012 #14

My draft lottery number was also 104 jimmyd13 Jul 2012 #15

No thank you. Marinedem Jul 2012 #16

Agreed. #1 The decision makers always seem to get _their_ kids out of harm's way. #2 A volunteer GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #36

Not this crap again. Gemini Cat Jul 2012 #17

I know some wealthy guys who dodged the draft during WW II when the top draft age was 45 NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #20

No. djean111 Jul 2012 #27

Add this ... "Children and or grandchildren (of age) of all elected officials go automatically." JoePhilly Jul 2012 #29

Haven't we stopped beating this dead horse yet? Lurks Often Jul 2012 #30

You want my advice? Scootaloo Jul 2012 #31

nice! Phentex Jul 2012 #33

Nice post, except there was no draft in 1776 Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #54

There were drafts, but not "the draft" Scootaloo Jul 2012 #56

There was conscription by a few states/colonies during the Revolution Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #58

+1 JVS Jul 2012 #61

Actually, 60 on Sept. 18 louis c Aug 2012 #70

More than 17,000 draftees died in Vietnam before the war ended pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #74

Yep, bad math on my part Scootaloo Aug 2012 #78

I'm 57, I'll be happy to go. Don't want to talk draft, how about... Hotler Aug 2012 #76

IMO Mr Dixon Jul 2012 #35

"Funny thing about fishing . . . it never works out so well for the bait." HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #38

If we're not worried about anyone's rights, let's reinstate slavery but just for the children of pampango Jul 2012 #39

I agree with you completely - reinstate the Draft, men and women 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #41

No. I'm of draft age, and I sure as hell don't want to be sent Arkana Jul 2012 #42

And a good thought it is. 99Forever Jul 2012 #43

The Army is too small compared to the pool of draftees to make it fair hack89 Jul 2012 #44

Meh, hit and run post. Javaman Jul 2012 #45

I use 1963 to 1973 for Vietnam, but most official sources call it 1965 to 1975, the draft went from braddy Aug 2012 #79

You're correct, I should have said "lottery" and not draft. nt Javaman Aug 2012 #88

You're right on both counts pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #84

I've seen this flawed argument way too many times... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #46

Bush, Cheney, Romney, Quayle etc. _ed_ Jul 2012 #47

It didn't stop it in Korea and Vietnam, but it did show how this is a class dominated society.... dmosh42 Jul 2012 #48

The Same Congress Critters That Get Govt. Healthcare While Denying It To The Masses Yavin4 Jul 2012 #49

Why so richie rich will have something to do in avoidance? Hmmf. lonestarnot Jul 2012 #51

Ain't happening. The rich/well-connected would simply become danger-dodgers DinahMoeHum Jul 2012 #52

I'm opposed for many reasons FreeJoe Jul 2012 #57

We've had a great many wars with a draft 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #60

No, it's evil. You're talking about forcing people to serve in a killing machine. Sirveri Jul 2012 #63

Your viewpoint is, in my opninion, very short sighted 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #64

So the only thing is to FORCE people to kill other people. Sirveri Jul 2012 #69

Thanks louis c Aug 2012 #72

The author's idea has never worked in the past. Zalatix Aug 2012 #80

Yeah, that worked so well in the Vietnam War pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #86

Agreed. I'd support that. closeupready Jul 2012 #65

Yes, since that worked so well in keeping us out of Nam and then getting us out in yellowcanine Jul 2012 #66

I'm sorry, but no, this wouldn't work. AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #67

I say we draft all the wealthy and rich kids first! fascisthunter Jul 2012 #68

I guess World War I, the Korean War, and Vietnam were necessary? Puregonzo1188 Aug 2012 #71

Again louis c Aug 2012 #73

Want more unnecessary wars and even more dead kids? Reinstate the draft. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #75

If they are already drafting your money for these optional wars, and if drafting your money hasn't AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #77

To end unnecessary wars, we'd need area51 Aug 2012 #87