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In the discussion thread: TAX THE AMMO!!! [View all]

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Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:00 PM

gopiscrap (2,541 posts)

40. at the very least then....

there would be a fund for gun violence victims.

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111 replies	Author	Time	Post
TAX THE AMMO!!! [View all]	gopiscrap	Jul 2012	OP
That would be just as unconstitutional as a poll tax.	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#1
Bullshit	gopiscrap	Jul 2012	#3
No, you're wrong. See Minneapolis Star & Tribune Co. v. Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue, 1983	benEzra	Jul 2012	#13
There is a tax on cigarettes	Aerows	Jul 2012	#30
When SCOTUS comes out with a ruling	SickOfTheOnePct	Jul 2012	#37
But if the tax is % (like sales-tax), then producers and vendors are responsible for the costs.	DetlefK	Jul 2012	#54
The effect of the tax is the issue, not the manner in which it is levied.	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#57
But the government would be free of any responsibility.	DetlefK	Jul 2012	#67
An across the board sales tax, i.e. one that applied to everything would be OK.	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#68
YES!	FarPoint	Jul 2012	#51
Ammunition is freedom of speech?	RC	Jul 2012	#69
Ammunition is to the 2ndA what printer's ink is to the 1stA, so the precedent is relevant.	benEzra	Jul 2012	#72
Just levy the tax on any round NOT FIRED IN SELF-DEFENSE or defense of another person.	lastlib	Jul 2012	#82
That would be like saying the 1stA protects published speech, but not unpublished speech, I think.	benEzra	Jul 2012	#93
Thinking like that would effectively hand over control to repubs.	Pacafishmate	Jul 2012	#109
You mean like cigarets?	RC	Jul 2012	#88
Come On Now - What About The Taxes On Cigarettes......	global1	Jul 2012	#11
The issue would be the 2nd Amendment	NickB79	Jul 2012	#15
Not when the purpose of the tax is to restrict a Constitutional right.	hack89	Jul 2012	#20
Doesn't pass the bullshit test	Major Nikon	Jul 2012	#96
The OP is proposing an ammo tax for the express purpose of restricting access	hack89	Jul 2012	#98
I didn't see anything in the OP about restricting access	Major Nikon	Jul 2012	#99
How does a victim fund "protect folks"?	hack89	Jul 2012	#100
So what do you think $400 to register a gun does?	Major Nikon	Jul 2012	#101
Onerous fees and elaborate hoops (made intentionally worse by govt)..	X_Digger	Jul 2012	#102
Those fees have been deemed constitutional in court - I have no problem with them. nt	hack89	Jul 2012	#103
So call it a bullet fee	Major Nikon	Jul 2012	#104
It is a pure commercial transaction - I am not buying anything from the government.	hack89	Jul 2012	#105
It's already explained in the OP	Major Nikon	Jul 2012	#106
So it has to be a small enough amount so as to not make ammo too expensive	hack89	Jul 2012	#107
Assault ammo isn't as dangerous as cigarettes. n/t	2on2u	Jul 2012	#53
Bullshit, badtoworse	catbyte	Jul 2012	#26
True	SickOfTheOnePct	Jul 2012	#29
Do you have anything to back up that statement. Or did you pull it out of your assets? I say bullsh	rhett o rick	Jul 2012	#31
Poll taxes were used to prevent a class of citizens from exercising the civil right to vote	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#43
Bullets are votes?...	lame54	Jul 2012	#58
Access to them is one of your civil rights and the OP's tax would restrict that right.	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#60
don't confuse bullets with guns	lame54	Jul 2012	#70
The 2nd Amendment refers to arms, not bullets or guns	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#73
ban the ammo.	ileus	Jul 2012	#2
And 10 seconds later the Democratic party would be voted out of every part of government	NickB79	Jul 2012	#8
not to mention every locality were people own guns from school boards to dogcatcher	loli phabay	Jul 2012	#10
But we'd all be safe from their bullets.	ileus	Jul 2012	#23
No, we wouldn't	NickB79	Jul 2012	#25
You are soo right. We must just lay down and let the gun crazies shot up our families.	rhett o rick	Jul 2012	#32
You are sooo right. We need to enact policies that accomplish nothing and hand over all control	joeglow3	Jul 2012	#64
That's what the gun "enthusiasts" would have us believe. Everything we	rhett o rick	Jul 2012	#74
That's what history has shown us	NickB79	Jul 2012	#77
So you are saying we are afraid of the gun crazies. We give up our principles	rhett o rick	Jul 2012	#90
No, we need to find intelligent solutions to these problems	NickB79	Jul 2012	#75
We have one group that in my estimation, is a majority saying we need more control	rhett o rick	Jul 2012	#89
Sure.	HappyMe	Jul 2012	#4
Tend to agree with that	gopiscrap	Jul 2012	#5
It already is, in several ways	NickB79	Jul 2012	#6
Let's Protect The Wildlife So We Have Enough Around For Target Practice.....	global1	Jul 2012	#12
Okay	atreides1	Jul 2012	#7
Sounds good	justanidea	Jul 2012	#9
You cant be series. Maybe we should give more people guns and make it manditory	rhett o rick	Jul 2012	#33
I don't tend to favor mandatory purchases of any market good or service	TheKentuckian	Jul 2012	#44
They'd go naked and hungry in order to buy ammo. n/t	TheCowsCameHome	Jul 2012	#14
Of course, government employees would be exempt from the proposed ammunition tax	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#16
You seem to enjoy our consternation. Shame on us for trying to protect ourselves	rhett o rick	Jul 2012	#34
It's likely that many things in your life pose a far greater risk than violent crime does	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#39
hmmm	Troy Cookin with Gas	Jul 2012	#17
The VA Tech shooter used a .22 rimfire handgun	NickB79	Jul 2012	#19
He didn't have time to practice.	julian09	Jul 2012	#83
I agree. It's a waste of resources to be firing weapons for the fun of it...	Comrade_McKenzie	Jul 2012	#18
You need to practice regularly to shoot a weapon effectively	NickB79	Jul 2012	#22
So the shooter in Colorado would have worried about expensive ammo???? Jesus, really? n-t	Logical	Jul 2012	#21
...and create a thriving black market similar to the one for drugs.	Lizzie Poppet	Jul 2012	#24
One more reason this won't work	dmallind	Jul 2012	#27
Chris Rock on taxing ammo	krhines	Jul 2012	#28
Perfect.....	FarPoint	Jul 2012	#52
And we're supposed to believe Chris Rock?	permatex	Jul 2012	#56
The only thing I disagree with here is your low-ball suggestions for the more powerful caliber	calimary	Jul 2012	#35
So you would make it so that only the 1% could own guns? nt	justanidea	Jul 2012	#38
Frankly, my dear, if it were up to me, I'd make it so that hardly ANYBODY could own	calimary	Jul 2012	#42
Even if your proposal would've worked to save lives	justanidea	Jul 2012	#45
Only a tyrant to those who just HAVE TO HAVE those fucking hand-held weapons of mass destruction.	calimary	Jul 2012	#48
This should be an OP, Calimary.	99Forever	Jul 2012	#61
BRAVO!! BRAVO!! BRAVO!! x1E50!!	lastlib	Jul 2012	#85
Not sure where you're getting your information, but...	KarlHungus08	Jul 2012	#108
beautiful rant, calimary! I couldn't agree more but with the words and passion you put forth.	CTyankee	Jul 2012	#79
That won't protect anyone.	jp11	Jul 2012	#36
at the very least then....	gopiscrap	Jul 2012	#40
I'd suggest taxing guns too.	backscatter712	Jul 2012	#41
Annually	quaker bill	Jul 2012	#46
As long as we're taxing Constitutional rights...	justanidea	Jul 2012	#47
Well	quaker bill	Jul 2012	#49
What's a "full arsenal"?	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#55
Whatever sales taxes are where you live.	quaker bill	Jul 2012	#92
Taxing civil rights is different than taxing anything else	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#94
I would not possess a firearm	quaker bill	Jul 2012	#95
That is entirely up to you. Good discussion, though.	badtoworse	Jul 2012	#97
Poll taxes weren't considered "prohibitive" either	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#65
A tax specifically for something covered in the constitution	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#63
Because every firearm can be organized into Military and civillian	IvanKilmensky	Nov 2012	#110
Firearms and Ammo are already taxed 20% in my area	belcffub	Jul 2012	#50
not even close	DrDan	Jul 2012	#78
to what	belcffub	Jul 2012	#91
It is taxed.	krispos42	Jul 2012	#59
It would also spawn a blackmarket.	Remmah2	Jul 2012	#66
of course not - perhaps a couple of bucks gets closer	DrDan	Jul 2012	#80
If you were planning a killing spree that would leave you dead or in jail for the rest of your life	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#62
Like taxing printer's ink and paper?	X_Digger	Jul 2012	#71
repeal second ammendment and citizens united at same time.	julian09	Jul 2012	#84
You know that repealing the second amendment wouldn't remove the right, correct?	X_Digger	Jul 2012	#86
The rich people will thank you - now only govt and rich will have these things	The Straight Story	Jul 2012	#76
x1E28! K & R!	lastlib	Jul 2012	#81
That's Ridiculous...	-..__...	Jul 2012	#87
HOW ABOUT I TAX YOUR WEED	IvanKilmensky	Nov 2012	#111

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