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Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:51 PM

He Called Me “The Most Anti-Christian Congressman in History”

On Wednesday, the Huffington Post reported on a video in which my Republican opponent Todd Long called me "the most anti-Christian Congressman that we've ever had in our history." He added, for good measure, that I don't "believe in any of the biblical values," and that voters are going to vote for him because of his "Christian values."

There were more than 1,000 posted comments on the report. Here are some of them:

"I have never heard Grayson say anything that wasn't in the spirit of Christianity . . . to help his fellow man." - MarcDel

"Alan Grayson's heritage may be Jewish but he has displayed more 'Christian values' than his opponent and all the Tea Baggers combined. His advocacy for health care for the and to save programs that serve as a lifeline to neediest among us sounds like something Jesus would do. What God do you people serve, what Bible do you read? Jesus said that those who feed and clothe poor and needy also feed him." - Kamardb7112

"Alan Grayson may not be a religious person but he certainly spoke like one during the health care debate. When he confronted the right wing for cutting health programs that gave children and families better more affordable care, he sounded like Christ himself on the Sermon on the Mount. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." - RightBrainedLeftWinged.

"It's the sanctimonious self-important types think they somehow are closer to God because they shout out their Christian beliefs. And they criticize others they feel are not as God-like as they are. Well, if there is a God, she, he it would not be shouting to the rooftops just how 'Christian' they are. I think Alan Grayson is one of our most honest politicians. He's not afraid to say what he thinks or protect the rights of the middle class. He believes in equal rights for women and that includes over the right to makes choices about their own bodies. Bravo to you Alan Grayson. You are one of my heroes in politics, when there aren't very many who actually know that they are elected to protect all Americans and are in public service!" - Loodis

"Grayson's policies towards the poor and marginalized are much more in line with the teachings of Christ than ANY teabagger running for office." - CatByte

"The Baggers despise Grayson because Grayson has a gift for pointing out duplicity hypocrisy, and addressing how un-Christian many of these so-called Christians conduct themselves in public life. When you thump a guy intellectually for some action or inaction, and the 'thumpee' has no rational or sensible response, they start acting like 7th graders in their rhetoric - like Todd Long. The point is that Grayson, who is Jewish, is more Christian in his humanity and treatment of average, everyday people than most Christians." - Billa88205
https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/beatthebigot

I have to point out that this is not the first time that bigotry and prejudice have raised their ugly heads against me in this campaign. That's why we've had to establish a special "Beat the Bigot" contribution page, and why almost a thousand of our supporters already have contributed to it. If you haven't, then it's your turn now. Because whatever you think of me, we can't allow anyone as twisted and warped as Todd Long to be making the laws that we all have to follow.

Courage,

Alan Grayson

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Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #1
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Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #68
Suji to Seoul Aug 2012 #40
UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #43
Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #44
Raksha Aug 2012 #63
FiveGoodMen Aug 2012 #2
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freshwest Aug 2012 #58
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panader0 Aug 2012 #4
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Iliyah Aug 2012 #6
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graywarrior Aug 2012 #10
Diclotican Aug 2012 #11
freshwest Aug 2012 #16
yardwork Aug 2012 #12
daleray95 Aug 2012 #13
Joe Bacon Aug 2012 #14
freshwest Aug 2012 #17
jerseygal Aug 2012 #27
Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #29
jerseygal Aug 2012 #30
Raksha Aug 2012 #64
Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #70
Jessy169 Aug 2012 #33
DFW Aug 2012 #38
freshwest Aug 2012 #59
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freshwest Aug 2012 #62
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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:55 PM

1. OMG! He's a JEW!



Really? That's where we are in 2012????

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:50 PM

15. As Lewis Black would say: "There are Juuuws that walk among you."

Lewis is my favorite comedian. Wonderful man....and left wing.

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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:15 AM

68. I love him!! Smart, handsome and charismatic.

The worthy successor to George Carlin.


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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:51 AM

40. heathen, heathen, heathen! GET THE THUMB SCREWS. Who would Jesus hate?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:41 AM

43. Is his opponent trying to lock up the KKK vote?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #43)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 06:51 AM

44. In FL, that's a significant # of people...

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:41 PM

63. Who are you referring to, Alan Grayson or Jesus?

They are/were both Jews...which may help to explain Mr. Grayson's allegedly "Christian" values.

Just sayin'

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:28 PM

2. "to help his fellow man"

"I have never heard Grayson say anything that wasn't in the spirit of Christianity . . . to help his fellow man." - MarcDel

I think that's the old Christianity.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:06 PM

54. No, it's the real Christianity. The word itself is the name of the person who espoused the

kind of things Rep. Grayson espouses, and the quote is accurate. Christ would throw those attacking Grayson out of the 'temple'. They use the word but have zero understanding of the man whose name they are using to promote the exact opposite principles he preached about.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #54)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:14 AM

58. +1,000

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #54)

Tue Aug 7, 2012, 02:24 PM

69. I was riffing on Rumsfeld's "Old Europe" comment

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:51 PM

3. I want to transfuse blood with Grayson,...

...so I can be just like him. Awesome, unafraid, progressive chutzpah. We need a whole lot more of this in the Dem party. Dude's got more spine that a porcupine.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:52 PM

4. Kick and Rec foe Mr Grayson!

Please win.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 04:58 PM

5. Time to contribute

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:00 PM

6. OMG, these goppers are getting dumber and dumber-er

These goppers truly think they have a cap on Christianity, and their Christianity ain't nothing like the actual true belief. I call them pure evil.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:04 PM

7. I would take that as a compliment

coming from a republican!

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:06 PM

8. Your opponent is an anti-semite...

who deserves to be defeated. I only hope that there are enough people in your district who feel the same way as those that you quoted. As one of the tribe, I find this comment beyond despicable, but I'm not surprised that he stooped that low. I intend to contribute to your campaign and I hope that you succeed in winning back your seat.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:06 PM

9. If memory serves

in one scripture Jesus says, "Not everyone who says unto me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:07 PM

10. Walnut sized brain baggers think very few thoughts. Those include

the sexual acts of homos, guns, no taxes, and chicken. I imagine they think Jews are the same as Negroes.

Kick Todd's ass, Alan.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:11 PM

11. Alan Grayson

Alan Grayson

When you believe them (Republicans) to not go lower, they surprise everyone, with going far worse than we ever expected them to do.. As a foreigner, and living abroad, i sometimes wonder what become of the great republic of the united States of america...

I doubt many of them who claim you to be the last christian really know what christianity is all about.... The little I know about the man Alan Grayson in the US Congress, is a decent, man who try to do the best for his fellow man, instead of being for himself alone..

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:59 PM

16. Well said. Take care, Diclotican

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:13 PM

12. DU rec from a big fan of yours!

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:35 PM

13. I do think that Todd Long is the one that is not the Christian.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 05:50 PM

14. I'm not surprised.

What is so sad is to see so much hate from phony Christians who talk the Jesus talk but walk the Ayn Rand walk.

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Response to Joe Bacon (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:00 PM

17. +1

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Response to Joe Bacon (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:26 PM

27. Alisa Zinov'yeva Rosenbaum was an atheist born to non observant Jews

Ironically, Ayn Rand was one of the tribe.

Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Алиса Зиновьевна Розенбаум on February 2, 1905, to a bourgeois family living in Saint Petersburg. She was the eldest of the three daughters of Zinovy Zakharovich Rosenbaum and Anna Borisovna Rosenbaum, largely non-observant Jews. (from Wikipedia)

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Response to jerseygal (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:53 PM

29. Her fellow conservative Florence King wrote a very illuminating essay about Rand's anti-semitism...

and how it was expressed in her "philosophy" and "literature"

BTW: King considered Rand to be both a horrible person and writer.

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:56 PM

30. Self hate, I guess

No wonder that John Gault was a blonde Aryan.

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:54 PM

64. Interesting...I think I'm going to google that essay and read it.

Ayn Rand is one of those people who makes me inclined to believe there might be something to the myth of the self-hating Jew after all. Mostly it's a smear thrown at Jewish liberals (me included) by right-wing Zionists, so I tend to ignore it.

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Response to Raksha (Reply #64)

Wed Aug 8, 2012, 02:22 PM

70. It's in King's essay collection "With Charity Toward None: A Fond Look At Misanthropy"

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Response to jerseygal (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:49 PM

33. Dah, yah goveroo pa ruski

I just don't have the cyrillic keyboard.

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Response to Jessy169 (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:21 AM

38. Sure you do!

конечно у тебя естъ это--you just don't know it.

go to your "start" menu.

Go to "All Programs"

Click on "Accessories," then "system tools," then "Character map." Select what you want, then hit "copy" when you have what you want. Then paste it (control+V) where you want.

Note--it won't work in the title strip on DU, but it will work in the body of your message.

понятно?

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Response to DFW (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:17 AM

59. You multi-linguist, you!

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Response to freshwest (Reply #59)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:37 AM

61. Nine and counting!

Well, nine and a half if you include Schwyzerdüütsch (Swiss German, which is a generic term for about 12 different versions of the versions spoken throughout the Germanic Swiss Kantonen)

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Response to DFW (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 12:40 PM

62. Do you speak Catalan? I've no idea what it sounds like.



I was wondering if it is a form of French and Spanish combines, which I can't imagine how it would sound. The picture has their language in the inscription. It doesn't look like Spanish. I know people with friends in Andorra and it seems to be a uniquely prosperous and healthy place to live. With less than 90,000 people and less than 200 square miles, his description was remarkable. The family he stayed with lived in the main city and their home was 8 stories tall, bedrooms, bath, kitchen, living rooms on different floors, with a small footprint, reminded me of those of some friends who lived in the city of San Francisco. They had a 1st floor garage, living room above, bedrooms next and the kitchen and bath on the 4th floor.



That's the Andorran Parliament, but even with the trappings of democratic process, and a monarchy, Andorra is run by what we would call the oligarchy. We see this as a bad thing, but they seem happy. It's possible everyone living there is related, going back for generations or centuries, which would make for a united nation.

So different than most Americans. I think we are so focused on certain things, because we are not as firmly rooted and feel insecure. What do you think?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra

P. S. Your brain is remarkable for being able to know so many languages and keep them separate. I was once able to read and speak High German (badly with a Texas accent: Vee Gate-ez Ee-nan?) then spent more time with Spanish, or at least Espańol Mexicano. Which I have since been corrected by some people outside of the southwestern states, is an incorrect version of Spanish, as it is not Castilian Spanish. Although, with over 100 million speakers, I argued, they still manage to stumble along well enough.

My problem in speaking was, my brain substituted words of either language as I sought unknown words, so I decided it would be more mercifulto give up trying to converse in either, LOL.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #62)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:31 PM

65. At the risk of incurring your wrath

The inscription doesn't look like Spanish OR Catalan, because it's in Latin! LOL

Yes, I speak Catalan. I used to live with a Catalan family in Barcelona for a while, and have been to Andorra. Andorra is technically a principality governed jointly by two "co-princes:" the President of France and the Bishop of La Seu d'Urgell in Spain. Weird, but it is not exactly a major player on the world political scene. It is known as a tax haven, but only accessible by difficult roads through the Pyrenees. At least, it was that way when I was there (1969). Just a few dozen thousand inhabitants, no army (what for?). Lots of goats.

The Catalan language is a Romance language, grammatically close to medieval southwestern French (Langue d'Oc). It lacks the influence of Arabic, which so influenced the vulgar Latin of the central Iberian peninsula for 700 years. It is due to the Arab influence that most of the Iberian peninsula isn't linguistically divided between Catalan in the east and Portuguese in the west. Out of the Arab influence on the center of the peninsula grew the language of Castilla, "Castellano," or, what is called "Spanish" today.

Catalan has much of the staccato of Castillian, but with quite a different rhythm. The grammar and vocabulary are far more similar to French and Italian than to "Spanish." When I lived in Spain, I even unconsciously acquired a Catalan accent in my Castillian, because in Madrid and Sevilla, I was told I had a Catalan accent. When speaking Catalan, I'm told I have a Mallorcan accent. Go figure.

Back in the 1960s, Franco's Fascists used to repress Catalan and its culture. At a folk festival, a folkie from Valencia wanted to sing a song in "Valencian." The fascist censors followed the regime's propaganda saying that Catalonia (Catalunya) did not extend as far south as Valencia (it does) and therefore Valencian could not be Catalan (it is), so they allowed the song. The guy's song (Diguem No--"let's say no") became the Catalan song of resistance overnight, much to the chagrin of the official censors.

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Response to DFW (Reply #65)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:53 PM

66. Ah, no offense. I suspected it was Latin but was hoping it was Catalan. Should have known they'd go

With the root words for these languages. I was fooling around on Wikipedia and found the Germanic language tree and you hit the mother load by focusing your life there in Germany. It was in 1969 that my plans to go the youth hostel route in Europe were interrupted, so I have an unrequited desire to visit.

Although my intentions at the time were to visit most Germany and the UK, where my folk left their mark. Amsterdam was high on my list, as my people moved from London to there before embarking for the Americas.

In more recent years I have online friends I've talked to many years in Norway, Yorkshire, Sussex, Wales and elsewhere who still ask me to come and stay with them, but life has a way of keeping one tied down in one place.

Or as in your case, traveling all the time. I'm not sure which is better, but if my life was exactly as I wanted, I'd probably never grace the same zip code many times in a row. Alas, I have only visited Canada a few times, which I really love.

Thanks for the further history of Andorra and Spain. I'm hoping with Obama's re-election, we might enjoy some of the same equalities in many things as most Europeans do. Talk to you later!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_German_languages

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:01 PM

18. K & R

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:04 PM

19. The two biggest problems on our planet are greed and religion.

Think what the world would be like without those two dynamics. What if people tried to be ethical, moral and cooperative rather than judgmental and hypocritical, and greedy.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:20 PM

20. Props to you man. Most of these 'christians' today wouldn't know charity or kindness if it bit them

in their pompous asses.

Best of luck!

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:25 PM

21. We can't be the best at everything but this Todd Long fella...

...aspires to be a Gold Medal liar. We wish him all the best with that on the day he eventually meets his maker.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:26 PM

22. First of all

Would someone please explain to me why it so important to be a so called "good christian", and secondly, why a person's faith matters. Aren't actions louder than words?
I mean just because romney is a mormon is no reason to vote against him; no the fact that he is a clueless liar is why we should vote against him. And Mr. Grayson here is of Jewish faith, who cares? As pointed out, he (you) are doing good works and that transcends any religious belief.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:42 PM

23. God bless Alan Grayson

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:44 PM

24. Oh, Rep. Grayson...you have been missed!

What's up with Taliban Dan? Not running again? Why not?

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:56 PM

25. Rebublicans redefine Christianity and Conservatism to Serve Them

 

and their election. Last I checked a conservative 'conserves what works in society and goverment", not whats happening today. They are busy handing out slurs and deceptive conclusions like candy to people that have no means to verification, not in todays corporate media.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 06:58 PM

26. Big K&R. As always, happy to hear from you and your exposure of the looney RW

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 07:35 PM

28. Alan Grayson for president, 2016!

The second coming?

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:00 PM

31. Methinks

Todd Long belongs to the Konservative Kristian Kouncil.
Mr. Long's cognitive dissonance is indicative of Teabagger thought disorders and loose associations.
Perhaps Mr. Long would benefit from one of the wonderful Fleet products.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:08 PM

32. I love Mr. Grayson.

He would make such an awesome POTUS. 2016?



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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:58 PM

34. K & R

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:18 PM

35. The Sermon on the Mount? The single most ignored part of the Bible by the Right?

They are too busy finding an obscure quote in Leviticus to acknowledge the heart and soul of Christianity.

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #35)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:29 PM

36. To which I say--AMEN!

Thanks and blessings to Alan. He's got my support and if I lived in his district, the hounds of hell could not keep me from voting for him!!

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 09:35 AM

46. Unfortunately

they think the sermon on the mount is speaking to them - they believe they are the blessed. They can't see themselves as they really are. That sermon speaks to them - not "others." They really don't understand their own beliefs.

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Response to FlaGranny (Reply #46)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:19 PM

57. Well said.

They live and die in profound ignorance, valuing an obscure passage in Leviticus over what is the heart and soul of the New Testament. Extraordinary.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 01:20 AM

60. They fit the definition of Pharisees. They gave up something much better for more money.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 11:50 PM

37. When

Christians start acting like Christ, I'll start listening to them.

Makes me miss that show GCB, that hit the nail right on it's hypocritical head.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:28 AM

39. Glad to contribute

I have been a proud contributor before, and am glad to be one again here.

We have a mutual friend (HBD) in Burlington, as a matter of fact. He speaks highly of you,
as if I needed a further reason to support you.

So, come from behind. Kick ass. Once again, lead by example. We need the Congressman with Guts back
on the floor, whether it's as a fly in Speaker Pelosi's ointment or confronting Speaker Bonehead's teabaggers.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:00 AM

41. RW rule - If you can't think of anything good to say

attack your enemy with lies, false information and innuendos - it plays to be their base, but not so much to the thinking folk around the country.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:48 AM

42. Just love your

form of Politics.. don't stop!! Hugs!

GANBATTE NE!!
"do your best!"

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 07:44 AM

45. Religeon?

Church and state??

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:20 AM

47. They always project onto others what they themselves do.

With Conservative Christians it seems like they are always on the wrong side of issues. At least, as far as the New Testament goes.
I really think they only like the Old Testament. I mean, if your calling yourself a Christian I assume that means you follow Christ. Who plain as day released his followers from the old laws. They don't have to stone people who wear two types of fabric anymore.
The very thought of them not being able to judge people must be so out of their element they just block it out if they happen to accidentally read it. If doing for the least is doing for Christ. I wonder just who they think they are doing it for when they fight helping the poorest at every opportunity?

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #47)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:21 PM

67. Jesus did NOT release his followers from NT laws. Jesus was NOT a nice guy all the time.

Christians ignore the hateful Jesus. However, there is no historical record of Jesus existing, so it doesn't matter.

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:17

.Jesus condemns the whole world, saying "Woe unto the world because of offenses." Matthew 18: 7

.Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20: 9, Dt.21:18-21) Mark 7: 9-10

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:28 AM

48. I'll stick with the Constitution....

You know, that "no religious test" clause in Article Six.

Much like their biblical knowledge, their constitutional knowledge is highly suspect, at best.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:40 AM

49. Why "what would Jesus do" isn't more effective.

I find myself wondering why the "is this the sort of thing Jesus would be for, Mr./Ms. Christian?" isn't more effective a tool in getting Teabagger types to see just how far separated their values and actions are from their purported religious principles.

As an atheist (in the interest of full disclosure), I've always believed that God did NOT create man in his own image. Rather, Man creates god(s) in his Own image.

It is the only rational explanation for this disparity. On some level people the Teabaggers must think their Creator is just like them. If you think Darwinism is a hoax perpetrated by pointy-headed intellectual elites, well, Jesus must as well. If you think that certain people deserve some punishment for offending your sensibilities, well, Jesus does too. If you are intolerant, so Jesus must be.

There have been and probably always will be people who pervert their quasireligious narcissism into political capital with people of similar mindset. The only thing we can (and must) do is prevent them from achieving position to wield authority and influence over the rest of us.

I hope you trounce this knucklehead in the election.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:03 AM

50. I have a Youtube video Mr. Long should watch.

This is a clip from the BBC TV programme called "Songs of Praise" - a religious program (Christian). This was when St. Martin-in-the-fields was featured in a show back in 2011. Yes, it is an Anglican church (Church of England) and is listed as a "Welcoming and Open Congregation" per changingattitude.org.uk

This is a demonstration of Christian values in progress... has been that way for many years and will be this way (God permitting) for a long time to come.

I don't know you Mr. Grayson, but from what I read about you, you demonstrate the values that the hymn in the 2nd half of the clip. I'm trying to think of a Bible verse that fits this situation and you: closest I get is Mark 9:38-41. You may not be "one of us" but you are certainly "driving out demons", I think in the name of God - but that doesn't really matter whose name you're doing it in.

Here below is the clip Mr. Long should watch. Is he adhering to Christian principles? I'm not a judge and I shouldn't.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:26 PM

51. Good job Alan...keep talking.....

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:38 PM

52. Christ says hello

And would like to remind everyone that he was a rabbi who was well versed in the Torah and Talmud.

Compared to most people Alan Grayson is "on the Road to Damascus."

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 02:31 PM

53. they just keep stooping lower and lower

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 03:16 PM

55. I would take being called that by the nuts a complement, Alan!

This Atheist is more Christian than these assholes.

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Sat Aug 4, 2012, 05:12 PM

56. I think it's funny these pretentious "Christians"

don't recognize real ones who actually walk the walk their alleged Jesus said to.

Tells me all I need to know. You're a wise, spirited, and decent man, Mr. Grayson and yes we need you back in Congress and more like you, too!

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Response to Alan Grayson (Original post)

Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:23 PM

71. K & R

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