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Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:56 PM

Is this Supreme Court ruling good for Americans, am just asking!

Or would it have been better if the SC overruled and get single payer on the table if President Obama got elected. From all accounts, President Obama could be re-elected but we cannot count our chickens before they are hatched.

I just hope President Obama gets elected but you all have to work hard to get people to go vote!

Thanks

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Reply Is this Supreme Court ruling good for Americans, am just asking! (Original post)
akbacchus_BC Jun 2012 OP
TheWraith Jun 2012 #1
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #2
SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #9
SoutherDem Jun 2012 #11
joshcryer Jun 2012 #5
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #8
papawolverine Jun 2012 #4
Major Nikon Jun 2012 #6
2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #7
Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #10
MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #12

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:59 PM

1. The Congress isn't going to pass single payer.

Not this Congress, not for the foreseeable future. If the ACA were overturned, it wouldn't prompt MORE radical legislation, it would eliminate what we got so far and make healthcare reform radioactive for at least another decade or two.

The only realistic prospect for single-payer is for states to start doing it, then for it to spread. That's how it happened in Canada. States can start going single-payer as early as 2017, which is when Vermont's new system will kick in.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:40 PM

2. Two-thirds of Americans want single payer, including most Republicans

With that kind of support, it's hard to believe that Democrats couldn't have gotten single payer if they wanted it.

But they either didn't want it, or were too timid to try it. That hasn't changed today.

ObamaCare is better than what we have now, so I think the ruling is good. The hope is that we start electing Democrats to office who believe in traditional Democratic principles, and who have some courage. Then we'll get world-class healthcare.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:05 AM

3. I am not doubting you

but I haven't heard this. Most people I know feel ACA goes too far, much less single payer. Can you give a link to support you statistics.

But, no matter the only people who count those elected to congress, who would never pass it, unless a Republican suggested it and it looked like it would hurt Obama.

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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:13 AM

9. Here's some two-thirds data

Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all

As an experiment, the next time someone you know is negative about ACA, ask how they'd feel about expanding Medicare to cover everyone, instead.

More than half of Republicans is eluding me right now - I'll try again later.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:22 AM

11. Thanks for the information

I hadn't heard that before.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:15 AM

5. If true, one-third of Americans apparently aren't voting for the right candidates, then.

If this concept had a two thirds majority in Congress we'd have it.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:05 AM

8. Absolutely true.

We vote for the wrong people.

Even when we vote for people who, say, swear they'll fight for a public option...

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:15 AM

6. It is unless you're a fan of less coverage and higher prices

Per the CBO, the ACA will result in 60% coverage of those who were previously uninsured. I'm not sure why anyone would think that's a bad thing. Furthermore the costs go down. While the rest of the nation was seeing their health insurance premiums go up, Massachusetts saw theirs go down. The individual mandate, like it or not, makes all of this happen.

Personally I believe single payer will come not by legislation, but by public demand. Once the rest of the US sees how well Vermont's system works, more states are going to want it.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:52 AM

7. Being asked to sit on a jury of an obvious RW troll does cheer one up.

^^^ See two posts above

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:06 AM

10. Good decision for Americans....

I think we will see more states use this as a way of beefing up their state systems into single payer plans, or at least "public option" plans. The expansion of Medicaid starts the ball rolling, and the Exchanges are supposed to encourage public based plans as alternatives to private insurance.

We may end up with a Canada-like plan, where individual states handle the details with Federal support, but it ends up covering everybody, which is what we need.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:30 PM

12. Are you concerned? Don't be. Obama and the American People just won.

 

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