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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:52 PM

 

FACT: In Reality The Repukelicans Controlling The House

Is just a big sham that remains under GOP control only because of industrial scale gerrymandering. Interestingly enough the FACTS now show that the democrats actually got more votes for their house candidates than the repukelicans did and the FACTUAL reason the repukelicans have majority status in the house is because of their success at redrawing congressional districts after the 2010 census. In other words, they have the majority of house seats because they don't particularly believe in proportional representation. Fortunately the Senate and the Presidency can't be gerrymandered!

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Reply FACT: In Reality The Repukelicans Controlling The House (Original post)
pismoclam Nov 2012 OP
WCGreen Nov 2012 #1
PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #2
athena Nov 2012 #9
JackN415 Nov 2012 #3
pismoclam Nov 2012 #4
David__77 Nov 2012 #5
Servius Valerius Nov 2012 #6
Zoeisright Nov 2012 #10
Servius Valerius Nov 2012 #15
LeftofObama Nov 2012 #11
athena Nov 2012 #7
former9thward Nov 2012 #12
MiniMe Nov 2012 #14
Coyotl Nov 2012 #8
modrepub Nov 2012 #13

Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:58 PM

1. I think if you go in a check....

There were probably a lot of GOP candidates who had no opponent so people may have decided not to vote for that candidate.

Personally, if there is a republican running unopposed, I don't vote for them...

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:14 PM

2. This is the type of 'fact' that you'd find on sites like Freerepublic if the Democrats had won...

the House when they controlled it - it's meaningless as well as being mathematically invalid.

And the fact that in the Senate every state regardless of size has the same 2 votes makes it much worse than any House gerrymandering


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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:51 PM

9. It is not invalid.

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:19 PM

3. Key thing is: Dem must turn out in mid term election and participate in state election to control...

 

state houses

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:20 PM

4. In Actuality

 

County by county, dems held majorities, even though pukes won seats. The repubkelican echo chamber is obviously up and spewing BS again. Many of these house reps face a serious chance of losing their seats, gerrymander or no. Even Bohner barely kept his. He wont, next time, if he keeps up his BS, and may not either way. 2014 is very likley to see a big change in the house and that's a FACT in my humble opinion.

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:02 PM

5. It won't hold though, because they went too far in many states.

They will become swing districts in short order.

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:28 PM

6. Repukelicans?

This really isn't classy civil discourse.

Yes, gerrymandering is bad. Both parties have culpability there, the GOP is the worse of the two. And agreed with above, the Senate is worse due to the filibuster crap and 2 per state. The Senate should be replaced by a national house with seats awarded based on the party list system.

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Response to Servius Valerius (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:07 PM

10. When I hear "civil discourse" from repukes, I'll change my tune.

But until they stop lying about everything, threatening the President of the United States, threatening secession, threatening liberals, and calling us names, I'll say whatever the fuck I like.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:57 AM

15. I understand your frustration.

But not all 'repukes' lie about everything. The Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Ann Coulter crowd might, but there are conservatives with integrity and making sweeping generalizations about the opposing side simply fuels the anger of their extremists while belittling their moderates.

The day will likely never come when every radical right-winger and radical left-winger stops attacking the other side with venom and heat.

But if the center-right and center-left can reassert themselves, the nation will be better for it. And I urge everyone to help that happen.

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Response to Servius Valerius (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:31 PM

11. Your concern is noted!

As a Democrat I've been called every name in the book by the repukes. I'm not going to sit by and be bullied anymore. I can give as good as I get. Until they learn to be civil, I can pretend to be as uncivilized as they are. I could give a crap less how "classy" someone thinks I am.

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:50 PM

7. This is a very important point.

The majority of the people voted for Democratic house candidates.

Imagine a state with two districts, each 55% Democratic. That would give you two Democratic seats in the House. If you instead combine them and divide them into two districts such that one is 90% Democratic and the other is 80% Republican, you end up with one Democratic seat and one Republican seat. This is what Republican-controlled states did after the 2010 Census. Without the gerrymandering, the House would now have been Democratic.

The media keep saying that the electorate chose to divide Congress this way, but this is not in fact true. Boehner has even less credibility now to block legislation.

To see this, go to the NYT House map, zoom into one of the Republican states (e.g., Texas, Louisiana), and hover over the various districts. You will see how strangely shaped they are.

For more details, see:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/why-did-the-republicans-w_b_2110673.html

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Response to athena (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:46 PM

12. Gerrymandering exists in both red and blue states.

Look at the districts in the Chicago area if you don't believe me. The problem Dems have is they are compacted into urban districts while Reps are more spread out. A contributing factor is the Voting Rights Act which demands minorities be compacted together to ensure minority representatives. This means the surrounding districts tend to be much more Rep than if that requirement did not exit.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:51 AM

14. Agreed, Maryland redistricted Roscoe Bartlett out of his seat

Not that I was upset about that one, Bartlett held the seat for 20 years, and was a teaparty leader

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:51 PM

8. They thought they could buy the Senate. Rove alone spent about $25.00 per vote

in North Dakota, where about 150,000 votes wins you a seat.

And they lost the incumbent's seat by fewer than 3,000 votes.
This is a very red state voting overwhelmingly Romney!!

This was part of the sweep of new women into the Senate.

We should ask if women candidates brought up the Obama vote in swing states, Wisconsin, Nevada, & Minn.

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Response to pismoclam (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:00 PM

13. In PA

Repubs won 49% of the total congressional votes but 13 of 18 congressional seats or 72%.

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