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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:29 PM

Interesting posts from a message board with GOP GOTV people discussing the problems they had:

I have no idea if the site is legit but it certainly reads like it. Interesting stuff, especially their compare/contrast to what they knew or could observe of Obama's operation:

It's not technology - it's people. 99% of this comes down to ground game at the precinct level on Election Day. The County Party has to have Precint Captains that are organized, dedicated, and willing to hand-hold volunteers. Think platoon sergeant or squad leader.I worked in Northern Virginia - PWC. I started out with a very motivated and dedicated precinct captain - phone calls and emails weeks and days in advance. On Election day at 0530 she had a portable tent set up at the poll, a table, stickers and literature, a portable propane heater,coffee, phones and phone numbers for everybody and their grandmother in Party, and a rock solid schedule with volunteers that promised to show up. Every little hiccup and snafu was promptly reported up the chain of command and resolved
I was later dispatched to another precinct, one on the east side of Route 1 - a heavy blue area, because that captain or the person above him had failed to secure an adequate number of reliable volunteers ahead of E-Day. The contrast could not have been deeper. It was like the precinct captain was just going through the motions. I ended up spending the rest of the day there, freezing my ass off, doing what I could to get as many R's cast as I could. We were totally outmatched, however. I could not believe the number of voters that were driven to the polls by Obama's team. Parking was really tight (it was a school with poor parking) and the entrance to the poll was at the middle of the bus loop, so I could see the Obama drag and drop operation first hand. They had quite the operation going.
If you look at the PWC precinct data for the D-rich precincts in the east end of the county, you will see how we were simply slaughtered by the GOTV effort in "their" precincts in what used to be a reliably Republican county.
Stay turgid, morons.



Flabbergasted to see people arguing that it doesn't matter. It's an election, you win withvotes Not ideas, not advertising, not anything but VOTES. The gotv effort is the most fundamental aspect of the campaign, where the rubber meets the road. It's the only tangible thing in the process that directly impacts the outcome for goodness sakes.
Would be great if 51% of the population were motivated, hardcore conservativeslike us, but they aren't. They aren't on the other side either, but they are kicking our butt ontargeting the actual people and getting the actual votes on election day (and before).
After all this mental masturbation the last 2 days about messaging, philosophy, demographics, here is one where there's no discussion or debatenecessary. Wewill improveour chances to win by simply getting better at targeting and gotv. They are better at it than we are.This is the first place we should start.
And thanks for sharing your experience. Hopefully someone in the organization reads it.



Another thing, the GOP obsession w/ tv ads defies explanation. SuperPACs could have spent another $100 million this month on ads for Romney and the outcome would have been the same. The ones that are effective are targeted and saying something that stands out or that people don't know aobut. For example,those dumbObama ads on Romney's tax returns and private equity experience really helped him, b/c the average person didn't know Romney yet and b/c Romney wasn't on the air himself during that time.Or likeradio ads targeting specific groups like w/ Obama to women on contraception. I mean, think how devestating radio ads on spanish channels could have been telling people the Catholic church was actually suing Obama. Or adsin blue collar white areas in Ohioabout how Obamacare was leading full time jobs to become part time. TV ads are expensive andhave to address big, broad subjects, while they kick our butts on the small things. The small things areperfect for radio and direct mail, and since they're cheaper you can target exactly the group you want with an ad that matters to them and might actually change a mind.
And if someone had a SuperPAC to develop innovative gotv systems and databases for targeting, I'd invest in that, as it woul dactually be a competitive advantage, not another ad on tv. The value ofTV adsis long since passed, they don't really work, the return on investment on them has become very small relative to the cost.


Over the weekend I wanted to volunteer. I went to Mitt's web site and clicked "Volunteer". Totally useless, just generic bullshit about where to register to vote in my state and a link to my state's election's web site. Uhm, yeah thanks for that info I never would have thought to check there first. Not to metion this is 4 days before the election when the registration deadline had long passed in my state. Oh and of course front and center there was the DONATE button, even though just a couple of days earlier I read the campaign had more money than it knew what to do with.

So I finally stumbled on the call from home app. Damn thing crashed on me twice before it finally started working. I started making calls. The script was awful. It was a poll on who are you going to vote for. WTF? You're calling Republican likely voters and that's what you want to know, who are you likely to vote for...again 4 days before the election? The script should be Hi this is John calling to remind you to vote. Do you need a ride to the polls? None of this hi this is John and I'm doing a quick survey about the election. Last thing anyone in Ohio or Iowa wants is another polling company calling.

And here's the best part...before doing all this, on Friday I sent an email to the campaign saying basically I live in this city, my state is solid blue but I want to help out in other ways. Here's my phone number, here's my email address. Get in touch with me. I still have yet to get a reply to that email.

Absolutely pathetic GOTV operation all around. This is why IMO Obama won. He used Faceboo, Twitter to perfection. He used data mining to find out to the street level who voted and got someone out there to drag them kicking and screaming to the polls. They did early voting campaigns, again micro targeted at the people they knew would be too lazy to get to the polls on election day.

What do we do? Not even answer an email from someone asking to volunteer.

Pathetic. Just fucking pathetic.

And the even more pathetic thing is in 2016 it will be the same thing.

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Mayberry Machiavelli Nov 2012 OP
Old and In the Way Nov 2012 #1
Jennicut Nov 2012 #2
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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:41 PM

1. Republicans can't run their own primaries w/o screwing them up...

they can't mobilize their base to vote. Yet they think they can run our country? Well,to be fair,these are socialist concepts and we can't expect an amalgam of anti-socialists to do these things very well.

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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:51 PM

2. They had no idea what they were doing because Mittens had no ground game.

McCain did not either.

Only W really had a decent one but Obama's blows everyone away. Bush relied on churches and more conservative groups to GOTV. But Obama really had a whole organization that was put in place 4 years ago.

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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:09 AM

3. "...in 2016 it will be the same thing." Lots more of the same, please.

 

Lots and lots more.

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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:42 AM

4. I'm just trying to process the experience of reading a comment written by a Republican

that is rational, assigns responsibility for the failure to the republican party, and (here's the biggie) is grammatically correct.

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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:46 AM

5. It is absolutely VITAL

that OFA is maintained, ideally used for the mid terms and turned over to the next candidate in 16.

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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:32 AM

6. Fascinating

What an incompetent campaign.

Though I think their gotv may not be a problem - Republicans will always go and vote. That's not their issue. Their problem is their positions on the issues.

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Response to Mayberry Machiavelli (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:37 AM

7. Obama was roundly ridiculed on the right

For doing radio interviews on hip hop stations, for going on the View, for advertising very specifically on cable networks that target his demographics. Romney ads meanwhile were blanketing msnbc in the week before the election. Really? Who is laughing now?

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