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Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:29 PM

ELECTION SPOILER: Obama wins in a LANDSLIDE

All this handwringing & worrywart crap.
It means nothing to me.

All the 'this poll says this' & 'this poll says that'.
It means nothing to me.

All the carrying on about the outcome of the first debate.
It means nothing to me.

I KNEW from DAY ONE as soon as the field of Republican candidates was established that
President Barack Hussein Obama II...
...would get his 2nd term.

How can I be so sure?
Well, just LOOK at these fools.

Sarah Palin was too scared to run for all that fuss she made in the past 4 years since she got her ass whooped in 2008.
Chris Christie was too scared to run because he knew he had no chance in hell of getting past the beast that is Obama.
Tim Pawlenty knew he didn't have Enough. Plenty of Not Enough.

Then what they had left was a crew of Keystone Cops, a pack of Circus Clowns on parade.
Who they got?

Herman Cain?
Michele Bachmann?
Rick Perry?
Jon Huntsman?
Newt Gingrich?
Rick Santorum?
Ron Paul?
Mitt Romney?

What? Hahahahahaha!

Herman Cain. Hahahahaha!!
Never mind his bull about Pokémon & Sim City. Never mind his sex scandal even.
He wasn't going NOWHERE because ain't no way Republicans would have a decision between a Black man & a Black man.
Ain't HAPPENIN' with the Southern Strategy embedded in that party. And he knew it. He ran for the SuperPAC money.
(I was so hoping he would get past just to see what would happen. Would have drove them people crazy! Hahaha!)

Michele Bachmann was a Discount Palin. At least Palin was original.
This was a wannabe & she was crazy as hell from jump. It was no surprise when she whimpered out after getting stomped in Iowa.
Besides I really wonder if Republicans trust women in a Presidential role. They're supposed to be traditionalists after all.

Rick Perry was the dumbass from Texas who replaced that other dumbass from Texas in 2000 as Governor.
When Bush Junior left for the White House, Perry went to the Texas Governor's House.
He showed his dumbassness on that debate with his "duuuuuhhhhhhh" response of the 3 departments he would cut.

Jon Huntsman posed the biggest threat to Obama from this list of nominees.
He wasn't dumb. He wasn't crazy. He seemed reasonable & open to compromise.
But he couldn't get ARRESTED! Hahahahaha! He might as well have been invisible.
Plus he worked under the Obama administration as an ambassador. That may have worked against him, maybe.

Newt Gingrich is the textbook definition of CORRUPT.
He's the one who had his Contract on America while playing up Bill Clinton's sex scandal.
Except that his sex scandal was WAY worse than Bill's was.
Women were not going for this cat after how he treated his wife on her hospital bed to leave for another woman—who's now on the campaign trail with him. Lots of women take that personal & it was a giant strike on the character scorecard.
Besides Newt represents the Old Guard. He's the old Republican from the 80s & 90s. The 90s were 20 years ago.
Also he was unorganized! How you gonna run a Presidency when you can't even get your name on the damn ballot?!

Rick Santorum was a faceless goon who only got as far as he did because everybody else dropped out.
Because so many were dreading that Mitt Romney would be the nominee they put all their efforts behind the only man who was left.
He was a lame motherfather too. "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other people's money" becomes...
"No no, I said BLAH people" Oh really now. This lame ass jabroni!
Most telling of his lameness was when his daughter got sick & he cancelled the campaign to look after his daughter.
No, Rick. You don't do EITHER/OR. You do BOTH/AND. Look after your daughter THEN come back to the campaign trail later.
Obama's grandma died, he went to her funeral, & came back to the campaign with tears in his eyes. That's how it's done.

Ron Paul had his Cult of Personality, no doubt. Of all the Republican candidates no one had a more enthusiastic base than Ron Paul.
Badgering internet forum after internet forum with the zeal only a true believer can have.
Problem was he wasn't really a Republican Republican. He was a Libertarian Republican.
A Paleo-Conservative which is just another way of saying Fossil (get it? Paleo? Fossil?).
A Relic from a Republican Party of decades past.

Oh speaking of fossil, he's OLD. 77 years old.
His lifespan & mental sharpness may be long-ranging for all we know but people get wary when candidates get to this level of age.
It worked against John McCain in 2008 & he was only 72 then.
People got scared he would die in office & then Sarah Palin would be Prez. People remember the Alzheimer's stories of Reagan.
It's one thing to be Robert Byrd & Strom Thurmond as a Senator of a state.
It's another thing to be in charge of the Nuclear Button as President interacting with foreign regimes.
But none of this mattered to the Ron Paul acolytes. Never mind the flaws in his policies (gold standard really?) & his lack of votes.
They were so WITH him that they would be WITHOUT anyone else & I KNEW this would be a problem for whoever became the nominee.

Mitt Romney was the inevitable uninspiring candidate. Nobody wanted him at all.
But pragmatically they believed he had the best shot of taking down Obama with the collection of clowns they had running.
His votes were reluctantly given & in the primaries his challengers got the ANTI-Romney vote.
With the exception of Ron Paul, all the Republican contenders were the Anti-Obama vote but Romney himself was faced with Anti-ROMNEY votes!
Anybody But Romney BEFORE Anybody But Obama??? Hahahahahaha!
Also he couldn't go against Obamacare because Obamacare is essentially ROMNEYCARE!
And his Gubernatorial record in Kennedy-land Massachusetts works totally against the Tea Party-style Republicans.
He would have to switch his whole belief systems all over the place like an Etch-A-Sketch to maintain hold on those Teapots.
Throw in his shadiness on showing his taxes, his barely hidden mean-spiritedness, his record at Bain Capital & you've got yourself a loser.
Also certain religious-head voters are wary of his Mormonosity. They think it's a spooky cult & don't trust him.
And he was considered the BEST OF THE BUNCH!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If Romney's your Best of the Bunch, you're done from the moment you step out the door!

BUT ABOVE ALL THIS, Jeb Bush didn't DARE show his face in 2012 after the dismal era of George Junior.
He was the one they were supposed to run, ol' Jebediah.
If they were serious about uprooting Obama they would have put him up, but Obama was JUST THAT FORMIDABLE.

So you see I had no more worries about the 2012 election once the Republicans showed their field of nominees.
I knew more & more as each day went on that we were looking at the end of the Republican Party on the National Stage.
The Southern Strategy DIES in this election.
They hold a strong bitter Plurality but no longer a Majority.
Appealing to the Bigots for the benefit of the Selfish Rich will no longer work on Presidential elections after this.
Once the Republicans lose the National Stage they will eventually lose the Regional Stages.
Either the Republican Party TRIPLES down for 2016 with the same strategy & lose even harder
Or the Republican Party goes searching for another reliable voting block to pad the Elite (AKA Few) Greedy Rich's numbers for future elections.
That takes time & they lose in the short term in search of this new base.
If they don't find one in time, they lose permanently.

This is a Realigning Election.
Obama will win this HANDILY.
It's not a matter of IF he will win or even WHEN he will win but HOW MUCH will he win by.
I say a LANDSLIDE of 20 points in the Popular Vote. Minimum 15.

Damn the polls. Damn the crying & carrying on.
My confidence in my prediction is strong.
Even WITH the racism factor working against him in 2008 he beat McCain 53% to 46%.
Now with his accomplishments & the opposition he faces, I say he will widen that lead like you have never seen.

The Mandate is coming & the openly Progressive President we have been waiting for will emerge in the 2nd term.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:33 PM

1. DAMN IT!!!

Your supposed to put the actual spoiler in the body NOT IN THE SUBJECT!!!!

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Response to Drale (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:09 AM

50. Laughing all the way to the Electoral College

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #50)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 02:23 PM

78. Love that picture!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:48 PM

123. Electoral Landslide makes me laugh too

He got 365 to John McCain's 173 last time around.
Let's see if he can't get that higher this time.

Somewhere nearer to 400 like say maybe 385 or so.
That'll give me a good laugh!

Mitt'll SURELY have Romnesia from that turn of events!
Hahahahahaha!
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:34 PM

2. I could not agree more

Look back in the archives during the McCain/Palin years. The same hand wringing was going on when I knew Obama was a lock.

Just get out and vote, folks. It's done.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:46 PM

3. Thank you. Block the fraud & vote real broad. It's that simple

Vote Vote Vote.
Block the voter fraud & make sure you come out to vote in squads.
That's it.
It's that simple.

I'll let somebody else pull out the famous Everybody Chill, I Got This pic.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:49 PM

4. If everybody votes, or GETS to vote, you are right -- if they count the votes!

He has the people, but does he control the machines?

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:54 PM

5. Quit thinking of the Republicans as Masterminds. They're just unchallenged crooks

The Republicans are not that smart.
The Democrats just don't fight these suckas.
That's why they get away with so much crap.

If they controlled the machines that good, Obama would have never gotten elected in the first place.
We would never have a Democrat in ANY elected office if that was the case.

Watch them & block them from stealing the vote. Easy.
They're not that tough. They never were.
Democrats just forgot how to fight somewhere along the way.

They're just barely putting pressure on these goons this election & look at the results.
Just like in a Chess game keep putting that King in CHECK until you force the CHECKMATE.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:24 AM

52. +50000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 02:24 PM

79. +1,000. I think I'm going to click on this thread and your strong words every day! Thanks for this.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #79)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:38 PM

104. Same here! nt

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:54 PM

6. "Michele Bachmann was a Discount Palin?"

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Response to GallopingGhost (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:48 PM

92. Love it!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:05 PM

7. YUP! Plus 1 zillion zillion zillion

 

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:07 PM

8. Reality

10 days ago I would've said landslide and put money on it.

Post debate....It'll be close with Obama winning.

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Response to tman (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:45 AM

25. Put your money back on it. It's happening

The whole reason I made this post is to have something reflect on AFTER the fact.
I like to call things before they happen.
I welcome the disbelief & doubt.
I love it. Makes it all the better when my predictions come out right.

I also love the agreements.
Who wants to be on the winning team?
Put your money back on it, tman.
It's happening in a major way.
John Lucas

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Response to tman (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:32 PM

63. Welcome to DU tman

I agree. I wouldn't bet on it either now. I believe Obama will win but not by a landslide. However, a win is a win. On election night, when CNN gives Ohio to Obama, he'll have his 270 and I'll be VERY HAPPY...

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:18 PM

9. If only those stupid idiots like Gallup would stop skewing the polls!

All the polls say it's close or Romney's leading, they must all be wrong, it's a massive conspiracy!

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:39 PM

11. These polls only measure a sample of voters. None ask the whole country how they feel

I don't take much stock in polls pro or con because you don't know how the question was asked, what the sample size of the questioned voters was, if the question was leading or biased, if the voters aren't trying to throw off the results with false responses.

And most of all I know that no poll asks the entire voting populace on how they feel.
I don't care if they're good polling outfits or biased ones like Rasmussen.
They can only give a guideline of where things are going.
Also people look at poll numbers & can either be biased to follow the results of that poll in favor of who's winning or be biased to go against the poll's results in favor of who's losing.

I take more stock in Intrade because people are actually putting their money where their mouth is.
Anybody can run their mouth but when people are willing to pony up on their beliefs it gets real.

So damn the polls—the ones IN favor of Obama AND the ones NOT in favor of Obama.
You got 4 weeks to see if I'm blowing smoke out of my ass.
When the results of the poll that matters come in I'm going to refer to this thread again.
That poll is the one on November 6th in the voting booth.

I'm calling it. 20 points. Minimum 15. Popular vote percentage.
Romney's gonna get CRUSHED & the Republican Party as we know it is going to die on the National Stage.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 09:08 PM

14. Really? A 20% popular vote margin?

We'll probably get about 3% more -- good enough for me.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 09:13 PM

15. Didn't they say that Romney was least popular candidate since Mondale?

Ronald Reagan beat Walter Mondale 58.8% to 40.6%.
That's 18 points. 18.2 to be exact. Right under 20.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984

I'm looking for Obama to force one of those Deep South states to go Democrat this year.
That'll be the shocker that EVERYBODY will be talking about.
He might even pull off Arizona of all places!
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:14 PM

38. You really think President Obama's share of the popular vote will jump 13 percent over 2008

2008: 52.9 percent.
your prediction for 2012: 60 percent.

Your enthusiasm is commendable, but your grasp of reality seems a bit tenuous.

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Response to onenote (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:29 PM

41. I have a firm grasp of reality. I look at demographic trends

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Demographics is why I know Obama's gonna demolish Romney.

Think about it.

Racists were scared TO DEATH of Obama in getting in there in 2008!
In 2008 they put ALL their forces & efforts into keeping him out of the White House. And THEN some!
You think they were lazy & ho-hum about it back then? Hardly.

I remember seeing so many McCain signs everywhere in my Georgia community.
McCain with Palin represented the America they wanted to preserve.
That T-shirt thing going on right now "Return White to the White House"...
...These folks never wanted White to LEAVE the White House the FIRST time around.

They all clustered together & voted against Obama with an energy you couldn't believe.
And Obama STILL beat McCain by 7%!

Their combined forces couldn't get past 50%.
They tried their best & it just wasn't good enough.
Obama became the 1st Black President.

Obama was an unknown quantity back then.
Now he's established with a decent record overall.
The Bin Laden thing was major.
He has killed that old trick they put on Jimmy Carter that Democrats are weak on defense.
That's why you didn't see the Republicans running on foreign policy this year.
When Ryan tried to pull that foolishness out at the VP Debates Biden made an ass out of him.
The Obama Administration killed Bin Laden, took out the Somali pirates, set the stage for Gaddafi's downfall all without losing unnecessary forces. Surgical strikes.

Even though we didn't get the proper healthcare plan we should have gotten, Obama got the notion of national health care established in America.
He came forward on the gay rights issue.
And he championed the auto industry. That's why Ohio's so strong for him now.

He won Ohio in 2008 by 5% over McCain.
In 2004 Bush beat Kerry by 2% in Ohio.

So that moved 7 percentage points from Republican to Democrat in 4 years.
Now imagine what's gonna happen after the good stuff done in this administration.

The Latino vote is gonna be EVEN stronger for Obama than last election.
Non-racist Whites are gonna be more in favor of him.
He'll get more true independents than Romney will.
Gays are no doubt going for Obama.
Most women are DEFINITELY gonna be pushing for Obama.
More Jews are probably in favor of Obama
Middle Easterners are gonna be more for Obama.
Asians are gonna be more for Obama.
Native Americans are gonna be more for Obama.
And Blacks as always are gonna hold it down for Obama.

He will own the Youth vote. More kids are eligible to vote than 4 years ago remember. This will be their 1st vote.
With Ryan on Romney's ticket, he'll sway more of the Senior vote.
Even some Republican Southerners are gonna pick Obama over Romney according to this article.

Southern whites troubled by Romney's wealth, religion

Sheryl Harris, a voluble 52-year-old with a Virginia drawl, voted twice for George W. Bush. Raised Baptist, she is convinced -- despite all evidence to the contrary -- that President Barack Obama, a practicing Christian, is Muslim.

So in this year's presidential election, will she support Mitt Romney? Not a chance.

"Romney's going to help the upper class," said Harris, who earns $28,000 a year as activities director of a Lynchburg senior center. "He doesn't know everyday people, except maybe the person who cleans his house."

She'll vote for Obama, she said: "At least he wasn't brought up filthy rich."


Union vote definitely in Obama's corner.
Non-bigoted Middle Class/Poor Class people are gonna be more for Obama.
People who have benefited from the early stages of Obamacare will be in favor of him.
People who have benefited from the stimulus will be in favor of him.

Some who may not vote for Obama will not vote for Romney either.
Some will sit it out because they're not hot on Romney for other reasons (his religion, don't trust him, etc.).
Some are going to write in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson especially after how Romney treated the Ron Paul fans.

And there's that undefinable portion of people who may have once hated him but have warmed to him & will pick him.
Also Obama may be able to draw a few from the REAL majority in this country: the people that don't vote.
They may be inclined to put a vote in for Obama this go around.

Put all this together & you don't think he can't landslide Romney?
Just like last election he's gonna turn over an unexpected state.
What if he gets Arizona of all places?
Could he turn Georgia somehow?

I think he can get 55% to 60% to Romney's 40%.
Romney may be very well under 40% come Election Day.
Either way Obama's exceeding 50%.
Worse case scenario is 15% lead but I guarantee it ain't gonna be close.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:27 PM

42. You are right that this isn't 2008. But that's not necessarily a positive

In 2008, McCain had to deal with the fact that Bush had been a complete and total disaster. So a lot of folks who might otherwise have voted for a repub were open to supporting a Democrat, even an African American. But by 2010, a whole bunch of those voters were unhappy with the economy and swayed by an unrelenting campaign against Obama on every possible front. While the President wasn't on the ballot in 2010, it would be most foolish to ignore the extent to which 2010 was a refendum on his presidency to that point.

Now, advance forward a couple of years. The economy is improving, despite repub efforts to thwart that improvement and their drumbeat campaign trying to convince people how bad things are and how its all Obama's fault. But the idea that Obama will recover the support he lost from 2008 and add more? Not happening.

No, a lot of repubs aren't thrilled with Romney. Those on the far far right don't trust him. Those on the moderate side think he's run a bad campaign. But their united by their absolute, visceral opposition to President Obama. Based on that alone, I don't see Romney doing worse than McCain. Yes, some votes will be siphoned off by Johnson. Some Ron Paul supporters will stay home. But some of those Ron Paul supporters may well have been Obama supporters last time around.

I think you are painting a very rosy scenario with little hard evidence to back it up. The hard evidence -- past results, current polls, absolutely does not support your conclusion. I guess we will know who is right in a few weeks. For now, if I had to bet, I'd say its a 6 point margin in the popular vote at best, probably less than that.

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:48 PM

47. My Money is on SC being that state but that's only 5 ECV

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:02 PM

85. I would be so shocked & happy to see that!

If Obama turns Georgia AND South Carolina, the Republican Party is FINISHED!
Boy I would love that!

Can the spillover from North Carolina seep down to South Carolina & Georgia too?
Whatever that Deep South surprise state will be, it will be one hell of a surprise.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:09 PM

19. Do you really think Obama will win the popular vote by 15?

There is no way that will ever happen. I don't know where you are, but there is a ton of anti-Obama sentiment across the country. There are people who decided he was a terrible president before he took office and never gave him a chance. Obama deserves 100% of the popular vote based on the job he's done and the Congress he's been put up against, but that will never happen. These conservatives are far too malicious and they have altered public mentality so that a lot of people actually believe he is a Muslin-Marxist-Socialist-Nazi Antichrist. We're up against this machine and there's no way it will be a blowout either way.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:11 AM

24. Yes

There was 2 tons of anti-Obama sentiment the first time around.
They did NOT want him to get in there.
All those McCain-Palin signs I used to see around.
They got in league & voted in monolith to keep Obama out of the White House.
They tried their hardest & it just didn't work.

Obama even WITH the racism handicap beat McCain by 7%.
He was an unknown entity back then. The whole thing about Experience, remember?

Now he's the guy who ordered the kill on Osama Bin Laden & ended the Iraq War at last.
Nearly a decade of directionless pointless war & he put a point on it.
Taking out Bin Laden begins the end of the involvement in Afghanistan.
Iraq is over & if you don't think these military families are ready to see their loved ones come back from those war zones, you're crazy.

He's the guy that kept the American car industry alive & kept so many people from being out of work.
Millions of people. Directly & indirectly.

He's the guy that put together a stimulus that has benefited many communities in the country.
The bus system in my area is DIRECTLY attributed to Obama's stimulus.

He's the guy that at the very least established that there should be a National Health Care Plan in America.
Might not be the best plan or the plan we wanted him to put in but it establishes the precedent.
And by killing the blockage of pre-existing conditions, he won over a LOT of people.

He's the guy who publicly says that gays should be allowed to marry just like everyone else.
There was never views he had to evolve. He just picked the right opportunity to reveal his stance.
It's a Civil Rights Issue, plain & simple.

He's the guy that has rehabilitated our image to the rest of the world.
We don't have to suffer the embarrassment of Bush's dopey doofy ways.
His ignorant coke-headed Bushisms. Remember that British paper (The Daily Mirror) that said how could we be dumb enough to re-elect a guy like Bush?
We have an intelligent President who you can respect.
A guy named Bubba was a guy like that. You think of names like Bubba as dumb but Bill Clinton could never be called dumb.

I got some problems with Obama, sure. NDAA is one of them. Extending Bush's tax cuts is another.
But on the whole, the guy has gotten a lot done.
And people will remember this.
ESPECIALLY with the Wall of Obstruction he faced most of his term.

It's a LOT different than 2008 & not in a negative way.
He's gonna swing more states than you expect in 2012. States we think he had no way of getting.
Just like he surprised so many in 2008.

Obama has power. Hillary Clinton would have been the 44th President if Obama didn't run.
Obama shocked everybody in those 2008 Democratic Primaries.
And he shocked folks all the way to the White House.
He's gonna shock 'em again this year.

Their machine is broken, tarheelsunc.
He's making their machine look like a tinker toy.
Judging by your username you must be from North Carolina.
Remember, he swung North Carolina last time.
A Deep South state which hadn't gone Democrat since Jimmy Carter in 1976.
Even Clinton couldn't switch that state—on neither one of his runs.

I live in Georgia & Republicans still have lots of sway here.
But he's weakening Georgia too for the Republicans.
When I saw the story on Yahoo of some White woman from Virginia named Sheryl Harris believing Obama to be a Muslim no matter what but STILL wanting to vote for Obama over Romney, I KNEW things were changing.
She voted for Bush Jr. TWICE.

Southern whites troubled by Romney's wealth, religion

Read this excerpt:

Sheryl Harris, a voluble 52-year-old with a Virginia drawl, voted twice for George W. Bush. Raised Baptist, she is convinced -- despite all evidence to the contrary -- that President Barack Obama, a practicing Christian, is Muslim.

So in this year's presidential election, will she support Mitt Romney? Not a chance.

"Romney's going to help the upper class," said Harris, who earns $28,000 a year as activities director of a Lynchburg senior center. "He doesn't know everyday people, except maybe the person who cleans his house."

She'll vote for Obama, she said: "At least he wasn't brought up filthy rich."


Still have so much confidence in the Republican machine now?
Some people are starting to see through the bullshit.
Survival is good for that. It's getting real to a lot of people what's going on with financial/employment security.
They're getting their priorities in order.

This is the end of the Southern Strategy & when enough Southerners quit fighting us & join us, Solidarity will return & we can finally Progress as a nation.
It will be a LANDSLIDE.
Mark. My. Words.
John Lucas

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 09:40 PM

17. You should study up on the electoral college.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:04 PM

18. 90% of the post-debate state polls have also looked pretty bad though.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:17 PM

20. Where did you get that number, 90%?

At any rate, Obama still has a commanding lead in the Electoral math. Mitt has a extremely narrow route to win. He has to run the board. The polling is nowhere near that.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:32 PM

21. I'm just guessing, but there has not been much good news

Ohio has really tightened, as have many of the other swing states. Some polls even suggest Michigan and Pennsylvania are no longer solid. Just look at how drastically the numbers change on 538 every day now.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 10:37 PM

22. Meh. MI and PA are solid. OH still looks good.

Romney still has no viable path.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:23 AM

23. I've seen their latest electoral college tallies. Obama is WELL over 270

Electoral College follows Popular Vote.
Every state has different rules on how Electors are divvied up.
Sometimes it's winner take all, sometimes it's proportional.
But Obama controls so much of that right now it's NEVER been a question of him getting to 270.

The Popular Vote that influences the Electoral Vote is ALSO strong in his favor & that's my point in this thread.
That's why I see landslide.
At one time before I knew better I complained about the Electoral College.
But the Electoral College protects smaller regions so they can have a say in who gets elected President.
If not for that the Republicans would be REALLY mad if Presidents were always selected from New York City, Los Angeles, & Chicago, among other giant metropolis zones.
Democrats rule big cities more than not.

But Obama has appeal even in smaller regions.
The only block is those bigot zones crafted by the Southern Strategy.
Once we break up the Southern Strategy, the Republican Party is going to fall into waste.
The bigot zones are still strong but not Majority strong anymore. They're just a stubborn but ever-eroding Plurality.

When I hear that Obama may have play in places like Arizona & Georgia & North Carolina & Virginia, I know the Solid South is getting liquid.
Ohio is now an Obama state when before they went headlong into Bush.
He's eroding more & more of that stubborn Plurality & I say now that he's not an unknown entity, he will have MORE pull on that erosion in 2012.

He commands enough of the Popular Vote to command the Electoral Vote.
And his Electoral Vote is COMMANDING to say the least.

Romney is looking at a blowout come November & I see Obama winning that mandate as his power spreads downticket.

This clip is just a taste of what Romney's looking at on Election Day. It's gonna be WORSE this time around.
Wait til they get to the part where the West Coast comes in with Hawaii, California, Oregon, & Washington just carrying Obama way over the top.



John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 02:47 PM

80. What a great night! And here's the win!



Just cried all the way through, just like I did back then.



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Response to johnlucas (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:20 PM

81. where have you heard that Georgia is in play?

All of the polls I've seen indicate that Romney is maintaining a lead of around 8 points over Obama -- thats' a bigger margin than McCain had in 2008.

If you are counting on Georgia to be part of your landslide, you probably should recalibrate.

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Response to onenote (Reply #81)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:11 AM

82. You couldn't see North Carolina going Democrat until it happened, could you?

Before 2008, the last time North Carolina went for a Democratic President was in 1976 when they picked Jimmy Carter.
But somehow Barack Obama turned that state Democratic where even Bill Clinton could not.

North Carolina is part of that infamous Solid South which was forged in the 1800s & especially fortified after the Civil War.
With few exceptions North Carolina had voted the same as other Southern states in Presidential elections.

Let's take it all the way back to right before the era of Franklin Roosevelt with the 1928 election.

1928: North Carolina goes for the Republican Herbert Hoover (U.S. Commerce Secretary from Iowa) in one of those exceptions I mentioned.
Before this North Carolina went Democratic all the way back to 1876 (the period between 1864-1872 were other exceptions for obvious reasons).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1928

1932: North Carolina goes for Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt (New York Governor) as FDR transformed the nation with his New Deal Coalition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1932

1936: North Carolina goes for Democrat FDR once again just like the rest of the Democratic South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1936

1940: North Carolina goes for Democrat FDR one more time just like the rest of the Democratic South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1940

1944: North Carolina goes for Democrat FDR YET AGAIN just like the rest of the Democratic South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1944

1948: North Carolina goes for Democrat Harry S. Truman (FDR's once Vice President now President successor from Missouri) but now the South is split ever since Truman signed Executive Order 9981 desegregating the military.
Southerners opposed to Black Equality measures cracked the cohesion of the Democratic Party as they started the States' Rights Democratic Party AKA the Dixiecrats to run against Truman.
The Dixiecrats ran Strom Thurmond (South Carolina U.S. Senator) & while the Dixiecrats got 8.8% of North Carolina's vote, the original Democrats got 58% of North Carolina's vote.
However, other Southern states voted in majority for Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond foreshadowing that Black Equality issues would crack FDR's New Deal Coalition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948

1952: North Carolina goes for Democrat Adlai Stevenson (Illinois Governor) just like the rest of the South after Richard Russell Jr. the segregationist U.S. Senator from Georgia couldn't escape the primaries.
Harry Truman declined to run for 1952.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1952

1956: North Carolina goes for Democrat Adlai Stevenson (former Illinois Governor) by default just like the rest of the South due to a weak field of Democratic candidates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1956

1960: North Carolina goes for Democrat John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Massachusetts U.S. Senator) after an ever-growing fracture within the Democratic Party on Black Equality issues.
Southern states so dismayed at Kennedy's openness to Civil Rights started writing in candidates who didn't even say they were running. All in an effort to stop Kennedy from being the Democratic Nominee.
One of these write-ins was Lyndon Baines Johnson (the U.S. Senator & Senate Majority Leader from Texas) & he sidestepped all the primary races officially announcing his candidacy a week before the Democratic National Convention (Adlai Stevenson futilely did the same).
Kennedy "smoothed over" the deep fracture by making Johnson his Vice Presidential running mate but you could see the Solid South looking more & more crumbled with unpledged electors, write-ins of non-Kennedy candidates, & even votes for Kennedy's Republican rival Richard Nixon (Dwight Eisenhower's Vice President from California).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960

1964: North Carolina goes for Democrat Lyndon Baines Johnson (JFK's once Vice President now President successor from Texas) after the furious fallout from JFK's 1963 assassination & LBJ's subsequent signing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act in Kennedy's honor.
The fracture of FDR's New Deal Coalition was complete with many of the Solid South states voting for the Republican candidate Barry Goldwater (Arizona U.S. Senator) in protest of Johnson & the strong Civil Rights platform of the Democratic Party.
This is the election that chased the Dixiecrats away from the Democratic Party for good & set the stage for the coming Southern Strategy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964

1968: North Carolina goes for Republican Richard Nixon (Dwight Eisenhower's former Vice President now from New York) while much of the South goes for segregationist George Wallace (the former Alabama Governor) running under the American Independent Party label.
This was the 1st time North Carolina went for a Republican since that 1928 election with Herbert Hoover.
The Solid South was solid in protest to the Democrats' Civil Rights platform but not so solid in who to back to make that protest quite yet.
With LBJ suddenly refusing to go for another term, the fracture over Vietnam War & Civil Rights, & Robert Kennedy's shocking assassination, the Democratic Party was left weak toward this newly-forming Republican coalition which courted the Southern bigots alienated by Black Equality reforms.
The Southern Strategy was born.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968

1972: North Carolina goes for Republican Richard Nixon once again just like the rest of the South.
The last hurrah for the South to revive the evil fiefdom in the Democratic Party lay within the candidacy of George Wallace (Alabama Governor) running under the Democratic Party label this time around.
But an assassination attempt in the primaries destroyed his chances as he became paralyzed from the shot.
With Wallace out of the way, Nixon had no obstacles in locking down this Southern Strategy to secure the Solid South's votes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1972

1976: North Carolina goes for Democrat Jimmy Carter (former Georgia Governor)...just like the rest of the South? (except Virginia that is)
Huh? Jimmy Carter denounced segregation & racism yet he STILL wins the segregationist/racist Solid South?
The South obviously was not too used to voting for Republicans since the South was so identified with the Democrats all these decades.
Despite Jimmy Carter being FOR Black Equality he was still a Southerner & somehow this was enough to sway virtually all of the Solid South his way. Even with fellow Southerner George Wallace running against him in the primaries.
The disgust over Richard Nixon's Watergate scandal & his Vice President to President successor Gerald Ford pardoning him obviously had a whole lot to do with this turnout.
Looking at how the South voted in 1976, Carter threatened to ruin this new Southern Strategy.
Because of that he had to be politically destroyed. Hence the crap about killer rabbits & the outcome of the Iran hostage situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1976

1980: North Carolina goes for Republican Ronald Reagan (former California Governor) just like most of the South (Georgia being one notable exception).
This is the election that began the permanent realignment of the Solid South from Democratic to Republican.
Jimmy Carter was made to look weak in his term & Reagan used the Southern Strategy to pull the South away from Carter (Ted Kennedy's bitter fight against Carter this year did not help things either).
While Georgia stayed loyal to the humble peanut farmer the rest of the South jumped ship.
The Republican Party would enjoy the strength of this Southern voting block for decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980

1984: North Carolina goes for Republican Ronald Reagan once again just like the rest of the Republican South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984

1988: North Carolina goes for Republican George Herbert Walker Bush (Reagan's Vice President from Texas) just like the rest of the Republican South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1988

1992: North Carolina goes for Republican George Herbert Walker Bush once again like some of the South while others of the South go for Democrat Bill Clinton (Arkansas Governor).
What's happening here? The South is now a Republican stronghold. How is Bill Clinton getting all of this leeway?
Yeah, there's "independent" Republican Ross Perot (Texas businessman) cracking up some of the Republican vote but some states are going strong for Bill Clinton on their own.
Once again we got a Southern governor that can appeal to certain regions in the South despite the still-lingering grudge over the Civil Rights movement.
Even if this Southern governor goes on a Black guy's show named Arsenio Hall to play the saxophone.
Of course you know, this meant he had to be politically destroyed. The Southern Strategy was too important.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992

1996: North Carolina goes for Republican Bob Dole (Kansas U.S. Senator) like some of the South while others of the South go for Democrat Bill Clinton once again.
Clinton's still too strong. Lewinsky him then Impeach him. That should do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1996

2000: North Carolina goes for Republican George Walker Bush (Texas Governor) just like the rest of the Republican South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000

2004: North Carolina goes for Republican George Walker Bush once again just like the rest of the Republican South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004

2008: North Carolina goes for Democrat Barack Obama (Illinois U.S. Senator) UNLIKE most of the Republican South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

After 7 Presidential elections of voting Republican, 28 years of voting for Republican Presidents, suddenly North Carolina votes for a Democrat.
And knowing why the Solid South is the Solid South (the racism factor) they vote for this Democratic President who is NOT Southern & half Black!
You couldn't see that coming if you looked at the historical record.

Never say never, onenote.
The Solid South is breaking up once again.
They will reform as a new Solid South THIS TIME in favor of Equality of ALL citizens when they finally rejoin the Democratic Party forged by FDR, JFK, & now BHO.
It may take a few decades to come to fruition but it will happen & this election of 2012 will be instrumental in making that happen.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #82)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:52 AM

83. I'm not saying never. I'm just saying not this year.

I'm saying that if you're counting on Georgia as part of the landslide you are predicting, you are assuming facts not in evidence.

As for North Carolina, I certainly could see that coming in 2008. The polls at the end of October were showing that race to be a virtual dead heat -- some had it as a tie, some had Obama ahead slightly, some had McCain ahead slightly. Those polls were dead on: Obama won by a mere 14,000 votes (0.3%). The polls at the end of October show Romney with an 8 point lead in Georgia. The comparison of NC in 2008 to Georgia in 2012 could not be more inapt.

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Response to onenote (Reply #83)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:26 PM

84. I understand your skepticism but check out this post I just saw

Yeah it's hard to believe I know.
I'm asking you to totally discount the validity of the polls & that seems unthinkable.
But I just ran across a post that underlines my point about not trusting the polls.

Read this & see what you think. Posted today (November 3rd) by tbennett76.

Why We Are Underestimating The President's Popular Vote Lead-And Why Cell Phones Matter

He makes many of the same demographics arguments I made on this thread.
AND he accounts for outdated polling methods & outdated understanding of today's technology & its influence on how people do things.
He sees unexpected Deep South states flipping Obama's way like I do too.
Georgia being one of them.

The polls have been wrong before. They can be wrong again.
Remember Dewey defeated Truman, right?
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 04:47 PM

10. The republicans lost before they ever started this year.

just campare the size of the crowds who come out to the President's rallies vs. Romney's.
The Prez has HUGE, ENTHUSIASTIC crowds. Romney crowds are bussed in, given marching orders
and told to be "enthusiastic" if they are going to be in the front row where they will be on camera.

Compare the number of DONATIONS coming in! I'm not talking about the amount of money raised.
I'm talking about the number of PEOPLE who have donated to President Obama's campaign
compared to Romney's. That is the big telling point. Romney does NOT have anything but smoke and mirrors.

AND SMOKE AND MIRRORS CAN'T VOTE!

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Response to bushisanidiot (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:44 PM

12. EXACTLY! That crap Romney pulled at Univision shows it

You're looking at the numbers that matter.
Number of DONATORS not number of donation dollar amount.
Number of RALLY ATTENDERS not number of media rallying.

We just have to watch the fraud & make sure we get our folks to the voting booths on Election Day.
Also, nobody is thinking the REAL majority in this country: The People Who DON'T Vote.
Is Obama bringing non-voters into the voting category?
He did last time & I bet he's doing the same this time.
And they may decide to come on board at the last minute.

NONE of those polls can see that coming.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:49 PM

13. Obama has to win for us! We need each other!

The next debate has to be on! He has to be a quarterback with the right plays!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 09:24 PM

16. Not a landslide, but a win nonetheless. And yes, all this pussy wussying over ONE debate is INSANE.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:42 PM

26. After Biden's smackdown do you STILL think it'll be just a win?

You're right. ONE debate is not gonna make or break any of Obama's momentum.
But Joe Biden took that clown to school last night & reassured the pussy wussyers.

But I didn't need ANY debate to reassure me.
I KNEW Obama had this & I KNEW he had it in landslide form.

As the weeks go on you will see how much momentum Obama has.
He's going to annihilate Romney at the voting booth.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:54 PM

27. This is simply delusional

I'd be happy to see this thing staying close to even in the polls the next week or two. At best, this is a tied race with a slight edge to Obama, and that's due to one or two swing states (notably OH).

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Response to fujiyama (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:31 AM

54. So what. Beats the Depends

undergarment crew that are all over these boards. A little optimism wouldn't kill anybody - oh let me guess 'cautious optimism' - Dems are so used to losing they don't even realize how much they use the language of failure ('cautious', 'complacency', 'reality', 'concern', 'anxious', 'like we're 10pts behind' (lol)...

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #54)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:11 AM

57. Maximumnegro you made me smile to the Maximum

That's how you say it, maximumnegro.
DAMN right!

I said it on this thread & in many places on this forum & I'll say it again.
The Democratic Party has become weak & that weakness has filtered into its followers.
They're scared of these guys like it's the boogeyman under your bed in the dark.

I have never seen anything formidable about these Republican clowns.
The party should be out of business now but the Democrats won't drive that final stake through the vampire's heart.

Bush Jr. shook these guys & now they're such weeping willows.
AGH! It makes me sick actually.

Put some bass in your voice & bow up at these punk ass jabronies once in awhile.
Failure language. You hit it dead on the head, maximumnegro!

Obama wasn't scared when he challenged the inevitable Hillary Clinton.
Obama wasn't scared when he kept running to be the 1st Black President despite the threats of violence directed at him & his family.
He went in there like a winner & he won.
WITH the racism handicap.

There were 2 reasons why I made this post:
1. To provide an antidote to all this doom & gloom nonsense on the forum.
2. Because it's the Truth.

Pure & simple.
Now act like winners & let's get those numbers up so we can landslide Romney's monkey ass back to where he came from.
John Lucas

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:04 PM

98. Cynicism was pushed as being smart in 2010 and we can see what that got us, the

Tea Party, a truckload of right wing bigots who want to bring down the government standing between us and them forcing their reactionary views down our throats.

Cynicism is less dangerous than putting your heart on the line to be broken. But millions of Americans can't afford to be cynical:

In 2012, over 56 million Americans will receive $778 billion in Social Security benefits.

http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/basicfact.htm

Medicaid is the nation’s largest health program in terms of number of recipients, serving 56 million to Medicare’s 48 million.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/medicaid/index.html

More than a third of Americans lived in households receiving government assistance in 2010.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/07/news/economy/government_assistance/index.htm

More than 46.6 Million Americans Participated in SNAP in June 2012

http://frac.org/reports-and-resources/snapfood-stamp-monthly-participation-data/

The Libertarian Party Platform on Welfare:

http://www.lp.org/issues/poverty-and-welfare

The Libertarian Party Platform on Health care:


http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Health_Care.htm

More Libertarian, Paul, Bagger ideas Democrats do not believe in:


Libertarians believe that taxes should be abolished along with all the programs and departments that taxes fund. Libertarians don’t believe in Medicare. Libertarians don’t believe in Social Security. Libertarians don’t believe that there should be fire departments, police departments, public transportation, grants for education, unemployment, disability, food stamps, and every other type of government system and assistance that you can think of.

Libertarians wish to eliminate taxes in order to eliminate all of the above programs and more. Libertarians believe that without these taxes, individuals will have more money in their pockets and will be able to afford all of these things. If someone is unable to provide themselves or their family with school, health care, or food, people need to rely on family members, church, or a private charity.

Libertarians believe that government’s role in the market should be to protect property owner’s rights. There should be no FDA, equal employment opportunities, unions, minimum wage, payroll taxes, safe food handling requirements, consumer protections, regulations that protect against financial conflicts of interest and fraud, and business licenses.

Libertarians believe that business owners should have the right to deny entry to minorities and/or women and/or people with disabilities, if that is how business owners wish to run their businesses.

http://deni-edwards.hubpages.com/hub/Defining-a-Libertarian-Ron-Pauls-Political-Platform

No going backwards. We're going to move forward.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #98)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:25 AM

108. PREACH IT freshwest!

THANK YOU!!
We gotta kill that cynical snarky crap!
It's time to be balls to the wall on this shit.

If we want a Democratic Party with fire in the belly, WE gotta have fire in our bellies.
You won't CHANGE enough & you won't go FORWARD until we demolish the Republican on November 6th.
No time to eke out a victory.
We Gotta LANDSLIDE these muthas & make them know that their time is OVER.

All this doubt & overcautiousness.
That's EXACTLY the Democrats' problem.
They don't believe in themselves anymore.
All this bullshit talk about this being a center-right country. Pure lies!
Liberal Progressive policies have advanced this society time & time & time & time & time again throughout its history.
This is the Land of Liberty is it not?
How is Liberal bad in a land of Liberty? How is Lib bad in a land of Lib?

FIRED UP!! READY TO GO!!!
FIRED UP!! READY TO GO!!!
FIRED UP!! READY TO GO!!!


Get fired up DU!!! Get FIRED UP!!!!
We're gonna DEMOLISH the Republican Party on November 6, 2012.
But you won't be able to do that if you don't believe in yourselves.
No more being scared. No more fear of the Republican Boogeyman.
Take their weak asses out on Tuesday & let's set this country back on the Progressive course it has long strayed from.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #108)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:54 AM

110. YW, John Lucas! Here's a clip, part of an article I need to post:

Republicans are betting on cynicism, Obama says:



"That status quo in Washington has fought us every step of the way over the last four years...They engineered a strategy of gridlock in Congress, refusing to compromise on ideas that, in the past, both Democrats and Republicans have supported. And what they're counting on now is that you are going to be so worn down by all they squabbling, so tired of the dysfunction, so, so weary of what goes on on Capitol Hill that you are just going to give up, and walk away, and just put them back in power, or they them stay there. In other words, their bet is on cynicism, but, Virginia, my bet's on you. My bet's on you, and the decency and the good sense of the American people."

Full story: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/04/obama-bets-on-voters/

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:04 PM

28. Possible, but its looking less likely, for now at least

It ain't just the GOP push polls that have Romney closing in or leading in some of the swing states. People can complain all they want about the polls, but they are usually right. Just go back and look at the polls in '08 at this time and see how accurate most of them ended up being. Most important thing right now is for the Pres. to have two strong debates and make sure we get all our people out to the polls as early as possible.

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:31 PM

29. You might wanna read this: "History says be skeptical of presidential polls"

I use polls for toilet paper to put it euphemistically.

The media is invested in a "horse race".
Reality doesn't care with the media wants.

History says be skeptical of presidential polls

Some excerpts for ya.

Both Gallup and The American Presidency project provide handy looks at polling and results from previous presidential elections. Often, the final polls were pretty close to the final outcomes, but there have been far too many cases of polling being notably off the mark, as well as instances of elections changing rather dramatically in the final weeks.

In 2008, the final Gallup poll of likely voters put Obama at 53 percent and John McCain at 42 percent. Obama won 52.6 percent to 46.0 percent. Spot on with Obama, but underestimating McCain by four points.

Back in 1940, the last poll (of adults) on Oct. 31 had President Franklin Roosevelt leading Republican Wendell Willkie by a mere47 percent to 45 percent. FDR wound up winning big, by 54.7 percent to 44.8 percent. A similar phenomenon occurred in 1944, with a Nov. 3 poll putting FDR up by only 48 percent to 47 percent versus Thomas Dewey. FDR again won by a rather handy 53.4 percent to 45.9 percent.


Check it.

As for elections shifting in the late stages, in 2000, an Oct. 6 poll had George W. Bush at 48 percent and Al Gore at 41 percent, and as late as Oct. 26, Bush was up among likely voters in the Gallup poll by 52 percent to 39 percent. Again, the final vote was Gore 48.4 percent and Bush 47.9 percent.

Most dramatic, on Oct. 27, 1980, Gallup had President Jimmy Carter beating Ronald Reagan by 45 percent to39 percent. Of course, Reagan won by 50.7 percent to 41.0 percent.

And in 1976, the Gallup poll on Oct. 30 had President Gerald Ford at
47 percent and Jimmy Carter at 46 percent. Carter won 50.1 percent to 48.0 percent.


I leave you with this last line from article author Raymond J. Keating.

The big lesson? Don’t be surprised if things diverge, perhaps quite markedly, on Election Day compared to what even the most recent polls communicate, never mind polls taken a month away from when people actually cast their ballots.

John Lucas

P.S.: Remember that Dewey Defeated Truman.

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:38 PM

31. I'm just comparing them to '08

And if you go swing state by swing state, they were pretty accurate. Of course there are always outliers and things can change from here til election day, but i think dismissing them completely doesn't do us any good. Either way, i cast my ballot early here in Florida via absentee ballot, and we need to get as many people to do the same. This is going to be a turnout election.

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:17 PM

39. Common sense says be skeptical of ridiculous assertions.

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Response to onenote (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 01:52 PM

76. I put 'common sense' on the same level as 'conventional wisdom'

If common sense was so common, then how come we have to specify 'common' & point it out?
Things that are common are ordinary & abundant but sense ain't abundant or we wouldn't have these fools holding the country back all these years.

It's just 'sense' & sense says be skeptical of anything purporting itself to be 'common sense'.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:37 PM

30. Amen brother!

What are we going to do this weekend to help? I am calling the G through P last names in my precinct, single through quintuple D's, and getting them to commit to me the day they will early vote.

Then, I'll make calls into North Carolina for the president.

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Response to thevoiceofreason (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:07 AM

35. YES! Get motivated!

That's part of the purpose of me posting this thread.
Get pumped up.
We're gonna DESTROY 'em at the polls!!
We're gonna make this happen.
Obama's flipping a state or 3 this election.
People are gonna be so surprised!
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:40 PM

32. Your prediction of a 15-20 popular vote margin is "severely" optimistic.

Obama is still favored to win. We will see how large his margin is on 11/06.

Allan Lichtman says Obama will win.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:27 AM

53. God Forbid, an optimistic Democrat...

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Response to Maximumnegro (Reply #53)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:27 PM

102. There's a few of them around, most especially this one, who asks us all:




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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 09:01 AM

33. Hmm, maybe if the Romney campaign has a big upcoming blunder or October surprise to its detriment.

Yeah, it would be on the cards for it to end woefully. Personally, I hope Romney loses gracefully and massively.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2012, 01:17 PM

34. To this day, I still get a kick out of Rick Santorum's "Blah People" comment.

I mean WTF is a blah person? Somebody who goes around saying "blah blah..blah"? Shit, Frothy, at lest come up with a good lie! And I was genuinely hoping that Mr.9-9-9 would win the nomination, so that I could see all the wingnut heads explode having to choose between two black candidates. But yeah, fuck the polls. Fuck how they credited Robme with the win in the 1st debate, even though he got caught in more lies. They've been talking about the race as if it's hella close, yet I always see a whole swarm of people at Obama stump speeches compared to Robme's. Plus it seems like there are more Reds who have crossed over this election, and I still have yet to find any registered Democrat supporting Robme. JMO, but I have a hard time buying the notion that despite all his gaffes, Robme was still somehow close behind, but just ONE debate put that fucker ahead.

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Response to CheapShotArtist (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:47 AM

49. Thank you for that! One debate puts Romney up by that much? Yeah right

I share your opinion on that.
We got Wolf Blitzer trying to call a CNN poll on the 2nd debate a tie even though it said Obama 46% Romney 39%.
His own company's damn poll!!! 7% ain't no tie & in other polls that debate was a BLOWOUT!!
It's a Mercy game in Baseball!!

But Wolf is up here lying on TV talking about 46% to 39% is a tie.
That's why I know it's bullshit what we're hearing from the big media right now.
These pundits are paid by the hour or by the word & they're counting on every bit of viewership to make ratings on the election.

Can't say that Romney's getting demolished over & over again.
People'll see it as a foregone conclusion & tune out.
Then how would their commercial sponsors sell their products?

Tune that bullshit out. That's what I do.
Romney's a weaker candidate than McCain was & McCain was weak.
Even with the bigots getting behind him in force to keep Obama out, Obama STILL beat him by 7%.
That was when it was Senator Obama.

Now it's President Obama the accomplishment king.
That percentage will not go under 7%.
It's definitely gonna go higher & I say it's gonna go MUCH higher.

After November 6th is over, Romney can become one of Santorum's Blah people as he blah blah blahs his case to Mr. 9-9-9.
Biden took out that punk boy Ryan last week.
Obama slapped the taste out Romney's mouth this week.
And this Monday coming Obama's gonna punt this loser over the field goal posts for the extra point.

Thank you for not buying into the bullshit.
Obama is NEVER to be underestimated.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:53 AM

36. I am inclined to agree with you!!!!

I have talked to some Republicans. They do not trust Romney and are against anything that those neocons can cook up. They haven't forgotten under what administration they lost their jobs,homes,pensions,and nest eggs in. They are angry and are just not talking about it. They have had four years to watch this bullshit. When they wouldn't give them unemployment. they saw them. When they wouldn't help the 99ers. They saw it. When they voted down the Jobs bill in whole and part. They saw that. When they played with the debt ceiling. they saw that. When they bailed out Wall Street and told Main Street to kiss their ass ,they saw that. Occupy Wall Street. They saw that. When they didn't want to help distressed homeowners they saw that also. Trust me they see Sensata losing their jobs to another country. They see that!!! If they don't well all I can say is Everyone knows whats at stake, and since we have the numbers on our side as far as registered voters,we need to make sure its there,Period. Because if they let Romney in well then they get whatever they vote or not vote for.We need to make sure we get every vote out and report instances of voter suppression to Justice Department and local elections boards.

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Response to mstinamotorcity2 (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:51 PM

43. Yep. There are some who are paying attention

Maybe it's the Republican wake-up call.
It's like being in a cult & not recognizing it until something really strange takes place.
Then you are forced to step back a little bit & once you do you start seeing more strange stuff you once saw as normal.

While the Democratic Party has some problems (hopefully fixable after 2012), the Republican Party has become a reckless, mean-spirited, war-mongering, greedy, bigoted political organization.
It appeals to the worst in human beings.
I'm amazed at its staying power & amazed that the general direction of social/economic justice (supposedly represented in the Democratic Party) has not fully been embraced.

Give it up to those Republican think-tankers.
They found out that Meanness works.
It's easier to be cruel & heartless than it is to be kind & caring.
All human beings are born selfish after all.
You have to be TAUGHT to respect boundaries.

So the pain pretty much has to hit them & theirs before they have a chance to have the wake-up call.
But once they do they can begin to see the problems in the Republican Party.
And maybe they start making the transition AWAY from that party.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:08 PM

37. Does not matter if it is a landslide or not

With a GOP House, Obama will never get a progressive agenda through. And by 2014 it will be too late as everyone will be in 2016 mode by then.

GOP doesnt care about mandates. If they have control of the House, they will block everything.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 12:37 PM

40. But that's what I'm talking about. Landslides roll downticket

Obama's landslide can help downticket races so we can GET that cooperative House.
Republicans are imploding on themselves right now.
Todd Akin is one example.
Scott Brown is coming out of Massachusetts when Warren beats him.

They're gonna lose seats in 2012 & more in 2014.
The Tea Party collapsed on itself & it's showing.
They got all these guys in back in 2010.
They couldn't get any of their guys past Romney in 2012.

We'll hold the Senate, no problem.

The only question is will the Democrats finally take full advantage of their mandate this time?
Can't waste this opportunity.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:57 PM

44. guess we'll know 6 november. until then, it's still time to work

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:16 PM

45. I like how you think, and I'm bookmarking your thread to keep you honest!

I sure do hope you're right.

Oh yes.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:38 PM

46. I'm Sorry but you are living in a dream world

All the crap about the repukers who lost is meaningless to the discussion. None of Romney's faults matters all that much either. He's going up against an incumbent and that's why the % is so close. Make no mistake this election is about Obama not Romney. To discount all the polling date is silly. This will be a dangerously close election.

We need a huge ground game on our side to pull us through. Nobody can sit at home and think its going to be a landslide. Get EVERYBODY out there and vote!

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Response to jzodda (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:23 PM

69. Democrats must lose this defeatist attitude. We are going to WIN in November

EVERYBODY must think it's going to be a landslide & EVERYBODY must want to make that landslide that as big a landslide as possible.
There's this whole mentality about Reverse Psychology.
Well sometimes Psychology works in Forward gear too.

When there's a winner, everybody wants to get on the bandwagon to join the winning team.
The Democrats have been losers for so long that they forgot what's it's like to win.
They're scared of it being close enough to steal & they're scared of turnout dissipating & they're scared of Republican money influence.
They're scared of their own shadow!!
I'm tired of that weak crap.

All that I said about the Republicans who lose IS meaningful to the discussion.
It explains WHY Romney is so weak.

This is NOT a dangerously close election & never was. And never will be.
You're right on one point. This election IS about Obama & because of that Mitt Romney has no snowball's chance in hell of winning this election.

My landslide post here has 2 purposes.
#1 To Tell The Truth about this outcome.
#2 To Motivate the worrywarts at Democratic Underground so that they drum up MORE support for Obama.

Democrats lose to the Republicans because they're weak.
When they stop being weak, the Republican Party will fold.
There's NOBODY but a bunch of greedy rich guys who should have anything to do with the modern-day Republican Party.
It's the Democrats' job to make sure that happens & that WON'T happen as long as they're scared of their own shadow.

What would you rather do? Worry yourself into the ground?
Or cheerfully drum up support in confidence that we will obliterate the competition on Election Day?

Screw the polls.
Obama will landslide that clown in one more week.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #69)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:36 PM

71. Realist NOT defeatist

It will be close and so we must work very hard to win!

I do think in the end we will win this. All hands on deck in the battlegrounds.

Predicting landslides is the worst thing anybody can do. Some people will think they don't have to do anything. Fear is a powerful motivator and that's what we need.

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Response to jzodda (Reply #71)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:13 PM

72. You missed everything I said in my reply

You bet on Reverse Psychology.
I bet on Forward Psychology.

If you expect to lose, then Reverse Psychology is a smart ploy.
If you expect to win, then Forward Psychology is a smart ploy.

If you're not sure you're gonna pull something off, you need to psych out your team so they do the opposite of what's stated.
If you're sure you're gonna pull something off, you need the bandwagon effect so that everybody piles on the winning team.

I believe predicting landslides is THE BEST thing we can do.
Not just for this election but for the Democratic Party itself.
I stopped calling myself a Democrat because by & large they became so weak.
The image of strength is what keeps some people voting for Republicans year after year.
They may be wrong but they look strong so people jump onto that.
EVERYBODY in the working class should be on the Democrat team but they're not because the Democrats became weak.

Racism was the main thing that fractured the Democratic Party forged by FDR.
The Republicans seeing the coming invulnerability of the New Deal Democrats as a party picked out a weak point in those racist Dixiecrats & absorbed them into their party to keep the Republican Party from going extinct.
The working class has been divided ever since.

Obama has to win to correct that weak point.
The former Dixiecrats & their descendants must be made to lose & lose HARD in order to repair the damage caused by their split after the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
When they get landslided next week, they will know that their time is over & will either carry that stupid grudge to their graves or change with the times & get back on board with the unity.

This election being seen as close is nonsense.
You ain't going Forward as Obama's campaign slogan says until these guys are straight up DOMINATED at the voting booth.

Do we want 4 more years of mealy-mouth crap?
Or do we want a strong progressive/liberal direction for this country?
Want more mealy-mouth? Go for the close election.
Want a new direction for this country? Go for the landslide.

No more weakness for Democrats.
No more scaredy-cat stuff for Democrats.
No more timidness for Democrats.
No more wimpiness for Democrats.
No more fear. No more worry. No more bleakness.

We Are WINNERS.
Don't think it. KNOW it.
CERTAIN words. STRONG words.
CERTAIN directions. STRONG directions.

Bush Jr. led with Fear & look what it got us.
FDR says "We have nothing to fear but fear itself".
We don't need Fear.
It's time to Win.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #72)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:14 AM

111. AND MAY THE BEST MAN WIN:





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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:53 PM

48. I'm Fired Up and Ready to Go

What say Y'all

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:33 AM

55. HELL YEAH!!!! Now your reply

is the RIGHT reply.

Bunch a word-parsing wussies on these forums.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:36 AM

58. Fired Up and Ready to Go!!

I early vote next week and I cannot wait to vote Obama!

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:13 PM

99. The Story of "Fired up! Ready to go!"



Just one voice who wasn't going to give up. Real strength, at work.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #99)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 08:53 AM

120. This one's for you, Edith Childs. From the band Fojeba with their Afro-Latino beat!

FIRED UP!!
READY TO GOOOOOO!!!
READY TO GOOOOOO!!!

Fojeba!



John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #120)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:05 PM

121. So mellow and joyful! I'm going to share it on the song poll thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251216995

mabuhayp made the thread and I think he created the second song. It's got a James Brown sound. Most of the people are voting on the first song, the one with beautiful pictures and Al Green. I'm going to look for the Beyonce inauguration video and the one with the classic 'Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours' by Stevie Wonder. But the one you posted is definitely got that 'Forward' feel. Thanks!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:11 AM

51. K&R

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:52 AM

56. love this: "Obama slapped the taste out Romney's mouth this week. "

If enough people get out to vote we might even see a sea of blue come election night. I've been trying to find registered voter info online for a while, and most of what I can find shows that there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. The biggest foe to your projection is apathy.

That is why we are fortunate to have Mitt Romney running and Sensata closing on Nov.5th. If that does not get the non-voters to vote, nothing will.

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Response to whttevrr (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:57 PM

119. Nov. 5th is here & Obama will continue slapping the taste out of Romney's mouth on Nov. 6th

Here it comes.
The moment we have all been waiting for.

The 2nd term of Obama begins January 20, 2013.
The decision to give him that 2nd term begins TOMORROW November 6, 2012.
LANDSLIDE here we come.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:42 AM

59. You're forgetting that Rmoney is white

If Obama were white, he'd probably get 65% of the popular vote.

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Response to eridani (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:20 AM

74. No, I factored the racism factor in my results

Racism still couldn't keep Obama from getting a 7% lead on McCain in 2008.
It will have an even weaker effect this go 'round.
Hence my 15% to 20% call.

If Obama was White he would probably win all 50 states!
Hahahahaha!
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:21 PM

60. Love your optimism - and ideas.

Way back there were people saying Rmoney had to win 35% to 38% of the Latino vote to win.. No way he's getting that. What happened to that analysis? Is it still true?

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Response to s-cubed (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:35 PM

88. Romney might not even get 20% of the Latino vote

In the midst of all the histrionics, people forget facts like the '35%-38% Latino vote' thing you mentioned.
He permanently killed any remote chance of making that total with that flippant 47% video.
That 35%-38% was always uphill for him to get & when he was exposed with those comments the hill went straight vertical on him.

Thank you for your compliments on what I said here, s-cubed.
We're about to see my optimism become realism in 2 more days.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:34 PM

61. *bump*

To dull the panic...

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:51 PM

62. I won't get my hopes up...

This is and will continue to be a close election, and that how I plan to work for the next two weeks.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:46 PM

64. I am definitely waiting...

for his second term.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:37 PM

65. Obama has the advantage...

but all of us should NEVER take Republicans for granted!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:03 PM

66. Oh, I love this! from your lips (or keyboard)....

I must admit that I'm a worrier, and the last few weeks have almost driven me crazy with anxiety.

But now (and esp. after last nights debate I'm feeling confident agai... and yes a landslide is possible, there's even talk that the house in in play now!

Another indicator: Obama masks are outselling Mitt's.

Favorite line of your post: Bachmann a "discount Palin"

Kick&R!

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #66)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:32 PM

70. That's right. Halloween masks have predicted the winner of elections for years now

It's right here from Spitfire of ATJ from October 25th.

Yes, gentle reader it's time once again for the Halloween mask poll

If you're gonna follow a poll might as well make it this one.
People actually put their money where their mouth is on ones like these.
Actions speak louder than words.

Whenever you get worried, lunamagica, refer to your 7-Eleven thread, the Halloween mask thread I just pointed out, & my thread here.

We got one more week & this thing is over.
We'll never have to see Romney's shifty face again after November 6th.
He can move out to the Cayman Islands & stay there as far as I'm concerned.
John Lucas

P.S.: Thank you for your props on my 'discount Palin' line. I was on fire when I thought of that one.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:37 PM

67. I *heart* John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:00 AM

68. Hmm....interesting poll from Reuters today

Posted October 24, 2012 by Warren DeMontague

REUTERS POLL: Obama Is Going To Trounce Mitt Romney In A Landslide

Somebody's been reading my thread here looks like. Heh heh heh.
I keep telling you folks.
Get ready.
It's coming.

And when it comes I will have told you the results 4 weeks in advance.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #68)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:44 PM

91. Let's keep laughing all the way! The universe rewards the purest love. Or something like that.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #91)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:19 PM

93. Get it on! The signs are out there if people are willing to look for them

On October 21st, lunamagica posted a thread called 7-eleven has Obama as a clear winner of the elections showing that the unlikely coffee cup purchase poll has been dead on with predicting the President for the past 3 elections.
Even getting the popular vote margin within 1% of actual result.

Let's look at 7-Eleven's 7-Election poll shall we?
http://www.7-eleven.com/7-Election/NationalResults.aspx

Yep, still at 59% for Obama & 41% for Romney like it was 2 weeks ago.

Then on October 25th, Spitfire of ATJ posted a thread called Yes, gentle reader it's time once again for the Halloween mask poll.
This poll has been predicting the President accurately since 1996 when it was first started.
I've seen other posters referencing this Halloween mask poll.

Let's look at Spirit Halloween's results shall we?
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/23/news/economy/halloween-masks-presidential-election/index.html

That's 60% Obama masks vs. 40% Romney masks.

If I'm gonna trust a poll it's gonna be one where people actually put their money behind their words.
We will have the last laugh & our purest love will be rewarded by the universe.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #93)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:20 PM

94. 'We will have the last laugh & our purest love will be rewarded by the universe.'

I love that!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 04:18 PM

73. K & R

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:21 AM

75. I'll wait until next Tuesday to believe that.

Thank God (and I do mean thank God) it's coming.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 02:01 PM

77. I'm not counting on anything

My parents said "don't count your chickens before they hatch"

Yogi Berra said "it ain't over til it's over"

The 1977-78 Washington Bullets used to say "The opera ain't over til the fat lady sings"

I'm holding my breath until Wednesday morning.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:54 PM

86. Man! I LOVE your enthusiasm!

And everything you've written is so succinct and true IF we allow ourselves to step back from the handwringing and ChickenLittleisms.

Thank you, JL.

I'm bookmarking your post because it is a wonderfully written, hard-hitting post!

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #86)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:12 PM

87. Thank YOU BlueCaliDem

I appreciate the compliments.
I hope my enthusiasm is contagious.

Victory Is OURS!!

Spread the word about this thread!
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:22 PM

89. What an amazing analysis! I agree with you 100%, but election fraud still scares the hell out of

me. I've seen it happen too often in my lifetime. I'm highly suspicious of almost all RebubliCon "victories." That said, I know you're right that Romney is a giant loser and maybe the old adage will hold up -- the larger the margin, the harder it is to steal. Lord knows, they've tried hard enough doing it out in the fucking wide blue open.

Hope to hear your take when Obama's declared the winner. My prediction is Obama 337. Not sure if that's technically a landslide, but I'll wallow in its sweetness forever! (Vengeful? You bet.)

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Response to Stardust (Reply #89)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:38 PM

90. Thank you Stardust. Let's look at Obama's Electoral Count in 2008 right quick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

In the 2008 election, Obama had 365 Electoral Votes compared to John McCain's 173.
He did that with a 7% margin in the Popular Vote.

I'm counting on him flipping a few more states this time around looking especially at Arizona while considering longshots like Georgia.
That Popular Vote lead of 15% to 20% points to that kind of victory.

So in all honesty, 337 is actually very low for Obama.
He might come closer to 400 when it's all said & done.

I know Obama's base has expanded & is enthusiastic in turnout this election.
This current news about Miami-Dade trying to close the doors on early voters proves this.
The pictures I saw of SQUADS of people in Florida in line for blocks proves this.

Romney's base is virtually static with McCain's in 2008.
Romney's getting the same people as McCain's last time while Obama got more people & even some of McCain's.
And they're more fearful than enthusiastic.

Oh you KNOW I'll be back to say my piece after the results come in.
Even at a number like 337 it's a wipeout for Romney.
538 – 337 = 201.
That's nearly 63% of the total Electoral Count.

The Electoral Count was always guaranteed.
The Popular Vote will REALLY shut the haters down.
They will KNOW for SURE it's over then.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #90)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:31 PM

97. That's right, he should get all of those states again!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:23 PM

95. Agree

'This is a Realigning Election.
Obama will win this HANDILY.
It's not a matter of IF he will win or even WHEN he will win but HOW MUCH will he win by.
I say a LANDSLIDE of 20 points in the Popular Vote. Minimum 15.'

totally agree, confident of over 20 too!

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Response to joejoejoe (Reply #95)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:29 PM

96. Welcome to DU!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:34 PM

100. K&R and bookmarked. Thanks! :) n/t

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:44 PM

101. I think I need a smoke. Reading that was like having good sex. n/t

 

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:35 PM

103. K&R nt

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:02 AM

105. this is the post I have been waiting all cycle for....

I have not said ONE word this entire election cycle as I have been working on other issues....important issues like my health and making lifestyle changes, you know getting my act together! I preferred to keep an even keel and stay out of the fray....better for my state of mind, and I am so much better for it too, not near as angry as I used to be!

Well, this post has so much that I agree with that I could hold back no longer; WHAT A HOME RUN THIS IS, johnlucas!

You are so right-on it brings tears to my eyes: THANK YOU! The last four paragraphs should be required reading here on DU.

I expressed back in February that I had no fear that any one of the republicans running had a chance against the President and nothing has conspired since then to make me change my mind.

L A N D S L I D E.......stick that in your ear mister romney!

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Response to blue sky at night (Reply #105)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:13 AM

106. Thank you so much!

Spread the word about this thread to all the worrywarts on this forum.
They gotta know that we got this on LOCK.

blue sky at night, the sun will rise to make our day on November 6th.
Thank you for your compliments.
The truth must be told.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:21 AM

107. How many people know what a

jabroni is without having to Google it?



A fun read, JL.

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Response to GallopingGhost (Reply #107)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 05:04 PM

115. Haha! Wrestling fans know

Thanks to the People's Champ, The Rock.
Speaking of that...

Do You Smell What Barack Is Cookin'?



NATION OF DOMINATION!
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:52 AM

109. kick for later

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:14 AM

112. I like your Optimism, johnlucas, and your Logic!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:15 AM

113. John Lucas

Love your insights, humor and passion! I too, have bookmarked this for later. My dad, bless his heart, has been worrying and fretting since the Mittster won the primaries. I told him then, "Dad, the election is months away, but with this nominee, it will be a landslide. Why? Because he has all this time to screw up royally, and I promise you, he will." And he has.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 04:33 AM

114. Paddy Power has spoken: Obama Wins



Paddy Power pays out £400,000 on Obama victory in U.S. Presidential election

http://blog.paddypower.com/2012/11/04/paddy-power-pays-out-400000-on-obama-victory-in-u-s-presidential-election/

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:19 PM

116. kick

 

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:26 PM

117. Thank you! We agree...

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Response to jenneferelud (Reply #117)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:06 PM

118. PERFECT showcase of Republican hypocrisy!

Hilarious!
There's a lot of folks out there purporting themselves to be moral standard-bearers to the outside world but they end up being the freakiest freaks on Earth in their private worlds.
Like that old saying goes 1 finger pointed out at everyone else means 4 fingers pointed back at you.

Live & let live is my motto.
If you ain't hurting nobody or forcing a child to do harm against that child's will, I got no problem with you.
Too busy managing my own life to be trying to manage somebody else's.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #118)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:19 PM

122. Words to live by! Why manage others' lives? Too much time on their hands, maybe.

Live and let live... More rights and opportunity for all!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:55 PM

124. the exit polls are backing you up!

I like your attitude!

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 01:53 AM

125. Mr Lucas - we salute you !

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:12 AM

126. Thank you, John Lucas!

 

you were right and saved me a few days of wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth.

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Response to johnlucas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:31 PM

127. I TOLD YOU SO! (despite small errors on Popular Vote results)

Well, it's done.
Obama did win in a LANDSLIDE.

My Popular Vote tally didn't pan out as expected but he certainly got his Electoral Landslide nonetheless.
332 to 206.

Heh heh. Looks like I misplaced a decimal point somewhere.
15% to 20% turned out to be 1.5% to 2.0% in the Popular Vote.

There was never a doubt in my mind that Obama would get his 2nd term.
I KNEW from DAY ONE as soon as those Republican challengers took the stage that this was a done deal.
My breakdown of the candidates & how that would shape the Republican race was absolutely true.
Romney was lame & dead in the water only buoyed up by the hatred for Obama.
We will never hear from that loser again. Thank God!

My take on the Republican Party from this election holds up too.
I know we were looking at the end of the Southern Strategy & hence the destruction of the Republican Party.
Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, & so many other Republican honchos & henchmen openly saying that their time is up live on air.
Not only openly saying, openly showing it, openly displaying it.

They can't divorce themselves from the bigots picked up after the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
You lay down with dogs you're gonna wake up with fleas.
And the bloodsuckers are about to drain this beast dry.
There will be no "reaching out" to the Latinos because the White bigots will balk.
There will be no purging of the White bigots because they will have no numbers to win elections anymore.
A no-win situation that means the eventual demise of the Republican Party.

Once they lose their National Platform they won't be able to organize the Regional Platforms & that will be the death of the party.
A death that they deserve, a death that is long overdue.

Goodbye to the Reagan Revolution. Goodbye to the Reagan Democrats.
Goodbye to Reaganomics & its Trickle-Down Bullshit.
Goodbye "Conservative" Movement.

Hello to the Obama Revolution. Hello to the Obama Republicans.
Hello to Obama's New Deal & its Fairly-Distributed Benefits.
Hello Progressive Movement.
No more Regressing. Now it's time for Progressing.

The Mandate is HERE & the openly Progressive President we have been waiting for is now emerging in his 2nd term.
FORWARD!!!
John Lucas

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