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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:15 AM

David Gergen on CNN - President Obama thrown off his game because Mitt Romney was "flat out lying"

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Reply David Gergen on CNN - President Obama thrown off his game because Mitt Romney was "flat out lying" (Original post)
TroyD Oct 2012 OP
hlthe2b Oct 2012 #1
madrchsod Oct 2012 #2
stlsaxman Oct 2012 #27
JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #3
George II Oct 2012 #19
JustAnotherGen Oct 2012 #26
skeewee08 Oct 2012 #4
Nancy Waterman Oct 2012 #5
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #6
lillypaddle Oct 2012 #7
Fuddnik Oct 2012 #16
TrogL Oct 2012 #22
bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #23
Cha Oct 2012 #30
CitizenPatriot Oct 2012 #11
RobinA Oct 2012 #8
George II Oct 2012 #20
geek tragedy Oct 2012 #9
TroyD Oct 2012 #12
hifiguy Oct 2012 #21
DaveJ Oct 2012 #13
Overseas Oct 2012 #10
harun Oct 2012 #14
FSogol Oct 2012 #15
Harriety Oct 2012 #17
caseymoz Oct 2012 #18
skeewee08 Oct 2012 #24
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #25
SoapBox Oct 2012 #28
donheld Oct 2012 #29

Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:18 AM

1. David Gergen is right.... I don't think Obama expected this amount of lying.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:19 AM

2. gergen calling mittens for lying now.....

that really has to hurt...!

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:21 AM

27. No, Gergen said Obama must have thought Mitt was lying...

i know Gergen stutters about a bit but this was pretty clear, to me anyways.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:41 AM

3. I flipped to CNN last night

Because Give me a noun, Give me a verb, Give me a 9 1 1! Was being interviewed on MSNBC. Gergen was frustrated with the People Of The Lie last night.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:50 AM

19. Giuliani's main claim to fame is that he got rid of the squeegie guys at NYC intersections

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Response to George II (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:02 AM

26. Amen George II!

Can you get a witness!? !?

You've got one right here!

Oh - and his great cheerleader cheer -

Give me noun!

Give me a verb!

Give me a 9! 1! 1!

And the sheeple go berserk because he ran around in a hard had 11 years ago!

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:00 AM

4. Yep I agree David

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:46 AM

5. That is the essense of what happened!!

I am blown away by the massiveness of the lies!

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:00 AM

6. The President played rope-a-dope, a strategy that allowed Mitt to....

....paint himself in every possible corner. Mitt's lying responses will be featured in a number of ads between now and the next debate.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:10 AM

7. No, Obama wasn't playing "rope a dope."

He just had an off night.

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Response to lillypaddle (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:10 AM

16. Well, Obama got roped.

I've prepped candidates for debates before.

I've sent them out on stage, armed to the teeth, with records, stats, numbers, and polls. I've video taped them down to the nuance and hand gesture. But you put that preparation to work and the opposition comes out with verifiable lies, not out of left field, but out of the universe, and it will completely blow your preparation. There's just no way to predict how low a Republican will go.

Maybe it's the rules of decorum, but I sat there and watched Romney tell lie after lie after lie, and never got called for it. Obama left all the meat on the table. Romney was flummoxed by the second question, and they let him get away. He should have been finished for good last night.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:02 AM

22. I've been in the same boat

I did a debate on Sunday against some right-wing religious folks. I was all prepared with Bible quotes, stats, etc. They responded with The Big Lie and just kept piling it on. Every time I'd pull out another fact, they'd pull another Big Lie. I'd ask them to prove it and they'd lie about lying or do a slipper slope or a No True Scotsman or any other logical fallacy they could pull out of their hat.

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:03 AM

23. There's a three debate strategy for the Obama team.

this was the set up where they let Romney desperately throw everything he can.
the President played it cool and gave him rope.
debate number 2, the President will knock down Romney's strawmen, which by then will have been proven to be strawmen by fact checkers all across the political spectrum.
debate number 3 will be the knockout blow.

The President was not "unprepared".
The night went exactly as planned.

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Response to bushisanidiot (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:05 AM

30. Thanks bushisanidiot.. I like

reading positive analysis because from PBO's record..he's earned my trust. so thanks again.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:01 AM

11. good call, because that is exactly what they are doing

it already started this morning

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:11 AM

8. If This Is

the case, Obama needs a quick crash course in how to be flexible on his feet, which, let's face it, has never been a strong point of his. Calling Bill Clinton, the current master of just this sort of changing course on the fly in a verbal match-up.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:52 AM

20. He'll be better at the next debate, if only because Lehrer won't be the moderator

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:25 AM

9. How do you NOT expect Romney to lie? nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:03 AM

12. I Know

If I was debating Mitt Romney, I wouldn't have let him get away with all that.

I would have called him out on as many lies as I could, not just sit back.

I would have done what Ted Kennedy did and take the fight right to him and tell everyone Romney is MULTIPLE CHOICE.

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Response to TroyD (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:00 AM

21. Clinton would have ripped him to shreds

with a smile on his face. The Prez needs to channel some of Bill's ability to cut down lies when they are thrown in his face.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:05 AM

13. I was thinking that too. Everyone knows they lie.

Seems as though Obama did the right thing and did not respond directly to lies, except for the "nonelected" healthcare panels accusation, as far as I remember.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 08:49 AM

10. That's what I worried about. What if Mitt came out with a flood of lies.

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Response to Overseas (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:07 AM

14. He should have been prepared for the giant whopper lies.

It's not like it's a new strategy from the Republican's. Look at Ryan's speech and the RNC.

I watched five minutes and turned it off.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:15 AM

17. I don't understand what the fuss is about

Our President was calm under pressure, and many Romney looked like a loon about to crap his pants while not really saying anything substantial. People are saying Romney won? If spewing lies so blatantly in front of millions of people got them hooked, well, that won't stick. Eventually people will see him for the person he is. I am not surprised President Obama kept it "small" until he was aware of how much of liar Romney was face to face he did not know what he was up against. Now he does. Give it some time. The media will spin it. Fact checkers will check it, but eventually our President will come out swinging in his own good way....

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:20 AM

18. It's Romney's best, but only trick.

I think Obama was stunned by the level of dishonesty. I could see Obama frowning at times, which actually counted against him. I mean, he never met Romney before and likely didn't think the guy would just get up their and lie wholesale. I mean, who can believe it until you actually stand across from him and see it?

But now that Obama's had a sample of Romney uncut, he'll be ready to take him apart at the next debate. If for no other reason, out of moral outrage and indignation.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:08 AM

24. "But now that Obama's had a sample of Romney uncut, he'll be ready to take him apart at the next deb

Yep

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:44 AM

25. I'm sure he expected it. I'm sure he watched the Reagan/Carter debates.

 

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:24 AM

28. Bullshit.

The President knows fully well, ALL the same old tired lines that the Repukes have been pushing and pushing for the last
year or more. Period.

All he needed to do was state FACT...and that could be done in a none hostile manner.

I don't know what the hell was going on but it was not a good performance.

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Response to TroyD (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:58 PM

29. Rmoney flat out lying

Did anybody really expect anything else from Romney. He probably by this time has taken so many positions he doesn't know what the truth is.

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