Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:06 PM
Drunken Irishman (24,587 posts)
Are we seeing the makings of another landslide?
In '08, up until the end of September, the election looked like it would be very, very narrow - maybe '04 narrow. Obama held slight, small leads in a few swing states, but McCain was holding his own in states like Colorado, Ohio and even leading in Florida. Then the dam broke. Palin, the market crashing, McCain suspending his campaign ... it all got the ball rolling in Obama's direction. Soon, just like that, Obama was building sizable leads in leaning state and overtook McCain in states like Florida & Ohio and even North Carolina.
Don't get complacent ... fight like we're down 10 ... but dammit if I'm not having another moment of deja vu.
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19 replies, 1367 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| Drunken Irishman | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| Pab Sungenis | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| AverageJoe90 | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| HopeHoops | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| Faygo Kid | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| TroyD | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| Warpy | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| AlinPA | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| TroyD | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| AlinPA | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| abumbyanyothername | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| Drunken Irishman | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| AlinPA | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| Cosmocat | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| Proud Liberal Dem | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| Cosmocat | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| Politicub | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| fujiyama | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| SmittynMo | Sep 2012 | #19 |
Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:09 PM
Pab Sungenis (8,930 posts)
1. And let's hope that deja vu
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doesn't come around to bite us in the ass. There's still time for Romney to turn this thing around and edge Obama out.
Like you said (and I've made my mantra for several elections now) fight like we're down 10. It's easier to extend a lead than come from behind. |
Response to Pab Sungenis (Reply #1)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:47 PM
AverageJoe90 (5,373 posts)
10. I don't think Romney CAN turn this around, not at this point.
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Even so, extra vigilance never hurt a soul. It worked in '08 and it probably will again this year.
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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:12 PM
HopeHoops (47,675 posts)
2. Yes.
Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:14 PM
Faygo Kid (20,221 posts)
3. Too soon. Remember Diebold, voter ID, Rove, other factors
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The LAST thing we need is complacency. Don't underestimate the GOP. They will do anything - I mean anything - to win.
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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #3)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:15 PM
TroyD (4,468 posts)
4. I agree
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And while there would probably be a result comparable to 2008 if the election were held tomorrow based on these polls, it ISN'T tomorrow.
Unfortunately there are 6 weeks to go so it's still uncertain what the final numbers will be. |
Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:16 PM
Warpy (69,210 posts)
5. If people are this pissed off 6 weeks from now
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we will indeed see another landslide.
I have a feeling they won't be able to muzzle Romney to keep him on point. I know they won't be able to do it to Ryan. As long as those entitled asswipes keep talking, people will get madder and madder. |
Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:22 PM
AlinPA (13,712 posts)
6. No. There is a lot of money to be spent for Romney in buying the election (fixing machines,
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bribing poll workers and vote counters, and false advertising). They (Adelson, Kochs and other billionaires and corporations) have invested a lot so far and want a result. They are going "all in".
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Response to AlinPA (Reply #6)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:25 PM
TroyD (4,468 posts)
7. How is that even allowed to go on in America?
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This is supposedly the leader of the world and the most advanced country etc.
Why is such blatant electoral theft allowed? And why don't the Democrats and all left-wing organizations make it a major issue once and for all and get the public to demonstrate in the streets and DEMAND an end to it!? That's what happens in other countries, so why not here? |
Response to TroyD (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:38 PM
AlinPA (13,712 posts)
8. Why, indeed? (Heavy sigh)...low voter participation. 40%+ blinded with Fox "news". ......
Response to TroyD (Reply #7)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:36 PM
abumbyanyothername (2,711 posts)
15. <<That's what happens in other countries, so why not here?>>
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This is actually a great question and worth really digging into.
1) Other countries are less materialistic and less narcissistic. 2) In other countries, if you lose your job you still have health care. 3) In other countries, you don't come out of college a debt slave for at least 20 years, if not life. 4) In other countries, your children still go to school even if you lose your job. 5) In other countries, there is more community continuity and to borrow a term from the transition movement, resilience. 6) Outside of China, almost all other (developed -- but I really hate that word) countries are more human and humane than the USA. etc. |
Response to AlinPA (Reply #6)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:44 PM
Drunken Irishman (24,587 posts)
9. Good to know. Guess he's probably going to win.
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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #9)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:01 PM
AlinPA (13,712 posts)
16. Please. I'm just not doing victory dances and the like yet, there is still a lot of work we need
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to do and obstacles to overcome (money). I'm not feeling safe until we get through at least the next 5 weeks.
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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:56 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (11,758 posts)
11. It probably could be a landslide
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if voter suppression/disenfranchisement wasn't likely to occur. I'll settle for a win either way. Anyway, he won by 6% and over 300 EV back in 2008 and the Republicans didn't treat THAT as any kind of mandate. They just claim mandates when their candidates win by 2% and under 300 EV (i.e. 2004).
Just as long as it's not too close to steal, that's all that matters to me. If it's close, this election is going to be litigated to death IMHO as Republicans try to find SOME way to ensure that Romney/Ryan are installed in the WH. |
Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #11)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:20 PM
Cosmocat (5,396 posts)
12. Tru dat ...
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about the "mandate"
It is going to take something catastrophic for BO to not reelect. I want the margin to be close to 08 to keep the meme from him not having a strong enough reelect, and also get at least a 50/50 split in the senate. I think the House is a reach, but reelecting BO and keeping the Senate is the bare minimum I want to see. |
Response to Cosmocat (Reply #12)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:32 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (11,758 posts)
14. Me too!
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n/t
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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 08:27 PM
Cosmocat (5,396 posts)
13. I think right now it is breaking hard to BO/the dems
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I with the election was two weeks from now, it would probably be a pretty good day.
But, still a lot of time for things to swing back. I think short of something catastrophic, President Obama is in good shape. The only question is the margin for him, holding the senate and making a big dent in the house. |
Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:35 PM
Politicub (5,869 posts)
17. I sure do hope so
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I'm absolutely giddy at the prospect of Obama's second term and having a democratic majority in the Senate and House.
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Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:51 PM
fujiyama (14,609 posts)
18. By the standards of the last four elections I suppose you could call even '08
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an electoral landslide, and a solid decisive win with regards to the popular vote.
I don't see too much room for improvement, simply given the polarized electorate and relatively weak economy. It is possible though that Obama may end up running up his popular vote margins in states that are already safe or strong (though I think Obama will win both the popular vote and electoral college by significantly larger margins than Bush in '04). And it's also possible that some swing states may go to him by higher margins than '08 (VA and OH strike me as two strong possibilities). Otherwise, I don't see anything in particular that will move the needle in say IN, NC, or MO. And I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't see him winning any more than 52% of the vote. There's a lot of people out there that simply hate him. And most of it is simply irrational. |
Response to Drunken Irishman (Original post)
Thu Sep 20, 2012, 08:03 AM
SmittynMo (546 posts)
19. I predicted it months ago.
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The GOP has self destructed on a daily basis for the past 4 months. It has to be embarrassing for them. I still predict states going Dem that haven't gone Dem in decades. Its time to get the ball rolling FORWARD!!!
Let me put it his way. If the DEMS lose, I can guarantee voter fraud will be found. |

