Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:53 AM
SecularMotion (3,147 posts)
NRA expands its role from fight for gun rights to conservative causesCoca-Cola and Kraft announced they are pulling their corporate memberships from a conservative group that was behind the spread of "stand your ground" laws like the one highlighted in Florida by the Trayvon Martin case.
The American Legislative Executive Council, also known as ALEC, is getting attention lately for its behind the scenes work pushing conservative legislation in the states. The National Rifle Association worked with ALEC to spread similar laws that are on the books in at least 25 states. Those laws grow directly out of the Second Amendment ethos the NRA has championed: "the ethos of individualism, of having a gun, of individuals taking the initiative," said Robert Spitzer, a political scientist at the State University of New York at Cortland and at Cornell University who has studied and written about the NRA for decades. http://articles.cnn.com/2012-04-06/politics/politics_nra-alec_1_nra-officials-alec-gun-rights?
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 NRA expands its role from fight for gun rights to conservative causes (Original post) |
SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | OP |
| GreenStormCloud | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| Db Owen97 | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| glacierbay | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| glacierbay | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| glacierbay | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| friendly_iconoclast | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| friendly_iconoclast | Oct 2012 | #29 | |
| gejohnston | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| gejohnston | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| PavePusher | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| friendly_iconoclast | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| PavePusher | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #23 | |
| PavePusher | Oct 2012 | #24 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #25 | |
| PavePusher | Oct 2012 | #26 | |
| Scuba | Oct 2012 | #27 | |
| friendly_iconoclast | Oct 2012 | #30 | |
| PavePusher | Oct 2012 | #31 | |
| gejohnston | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| Eleanors38 | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| ManiacJoe | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| Logical | Oct 2012 | #28 |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:15 AM
1. Lobbyists often work for more than one organization at a time.
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:32 AM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
3. More accurate would be: NRA abandons best interests of gun owners to become hacks for the 1%.
Response to glacierbay (Reply #6)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:33 AM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
7. Something other than an organization that spews lies for political gain ...
Response to glacierbay (Reply #8)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:25 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
9. I'm fine with re-authorizing the AWB. I believe in the long run SANE gun laws help gun owners.
Response to glacierbay (Reply #10)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:09 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
14. My point is the NRA does gun owners more harm than good.
Response to Scuba (Reply #14)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:18 PM
friendly_iconoclast (8,860 posts)
18. Gun owners would seem to disagree with you.
Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #18)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:15 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
20. I'm a gun owner.
Response to Scuba (Reply #20)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:21 PM
friendly_iconoclast (8,860 posts)
29. And also a hunter, which makes you a minority amongst gun owners.
Response to Scuba (Reply #9)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:37 PM
11. I take it you didn't join the Ruger boycott?
Response to gejohnston (Reply #11)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:10 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
15. My point is the NRA does gun owners more harm than good.
Response to Scuba (Reply #15)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:11 PM
17. many of the people on their board and one employee certainly do
Response to PavePusher (Reply #13)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:10 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
16. My point is the NRA does gun owners more harm than good.
Response to Scuba (Reply #16)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:20 PM
friendly_iconoclast (8,860 posts)
19. Yeah, we got that the first four times. Again, what it is you want to ban...
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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #19)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:16 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
21. This thread isn't about what to ban. It's about the NRA.
Response to PavePusher (Reply #22)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:36 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
23. I believe the NRA to be harmful to the long-term interest of gun owners.
Response to PavePusher (Reply #24)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:44 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
25. I want a public debate, without people screaming that "Obama and the UN are gonna take yer guns"....
Response to PavePusher (Reply #26)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:24 PM
Scuba (26,775 posts)
27. You and I aren't the public I had in mind.
Response to Scuba (Reply #27)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:28 PM
friendly_iconoclast (8,860 posts)
30. Spare us the "I have a secret plan to end the war" shtick and tell us what you propose, please.
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Response to Scuba (Reply #27)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:46 PM
31. Well, then all I can do is wish you the best of luck, you're going to need it.
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The people here are the ones who will be the closest to your position. If you can't even talk to us, I can not forecast effective results elsewhere. Promotion of gun control has spent far to much political capitol and created far too much vitriol (not quite a 50/50 split, but within shouting distance) with no tangible results other than frustration on behalf of those who would otherwise be your allies.
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:47 AM
4. in the true sense of the word, SYG isn't conservative
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:52 AM
Eleanors38 (3,468 posts)
5. Gun controllers made the modern NRA. nt
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:40 PM
ManiacJoe (5,579 posts)
12. The article is six months old.
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:54 PM
Logical (8,068 posts)
28. The NRA has always been a right wing group. The lies about Obama prove it.
