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Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:10 PM

(GOP) Bill proposes massive overhaul to Georgia gun laws (guns everywhere all the time)

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-government/bill-proposes-massive-overhaul-1351904.html

Georgians would be allowed to carry concealed weapons in bars, public schools, most government buildings, college campuses and other locations under a sweeping gun bill filed in the House.

In addition to banishing many current restrictions, House Bill 981 would prevent police or the National Guard from disarming people during states of emergency, and it would allow citizens to sue if that occurred.

Rep. Sean Jerguson, (edit R-douchebag) -Woodstock, one of the bill's co-sponsors, said Thursday that it strikes a balance between the Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to bear arms, and personal property rights. For instance, any church or business, such as a restaurant or bar, would be able to decide whether to allow concealed weapons, he said, and regulations that limit the right to carry, such as when consuming alcohol, are still in place.

Critics say it goes too far and could endanger the public.

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Reply (GOP) Bill proposes massive overhaul to Georgia gun laws (guns everywhere all the time) (Original post)
jpak Feb 2012 OP
CurtEastPoint Feb 2012 #1
tech_smythe Feb 2012 #2
gejohnston Feb 2012 #4
jpak Feb 2012 #5
gejohnston Feb 2012 #6
jpak Feb 2012 #7
cleanhippie Feb 2012 #11
jpak Feb 2012 #28
cleanhippie Feb 2012 #29
rl6214 Feb 2012 #21
cleanhippie Feb 2012 #10
gejohnston Feb 2012 #3
tech_smythe Feb 2012 #8
gejohnston Feb 2012 #9
S_B_Jackson Feb 2012 #25
Hoyt Feb 2012 #12
gejohnston Feb 2012 #15
Hoyt Feb 2012 #16
gejohnston Feb 2012 #17
Hoyt Feb 2012 #33
ileus Feb 2012 #34
gejohnston Feb 2012 #35
Hoyt Feb 2012 #36
ileus Feb 2012 #37
rl6214 Feb 2012 #22
Hoyt Feb 2012 #26
rl6214 Feb 2012 #30
Hoyt Feb 2012 #31
gejohnston Feb 2012 #32
beevul Feb 2012 #13
oneshooter Feb 2012 #14
PavePusher Feb 2012 #18
ellisonz Feb 2012 #24
Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #38
ileus Feb 2012 #19
rl6214 Feb 2012 #20
oneshooter Feb 2012 #23
Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #27

Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:15 PM

1. They are such a perfect parody (or caricature) of themselves.

So predicatable. From Jerkerson's FB page:

Sean along with his wife, Kate, and their two children, Eli and Claire, reside in Holly Springs, Ga. They are actively involved at First Baptist Church Woodstock. Political Views Very Conservative
Religious Views Christian

Work Info
Employer: HiCaliber Firearms
Position: Owner
Location: Holly Springs, GA

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Response to tech_smythe (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:25 PM

4. given that this law is kind of mainstream,

and has been for years, it is kind of like when South Carolina repealed its handgun ban in 1965 (enacted in 1902, it banned private ownership of most handguns by other than "special deputies" ie, guys who kept their evening attire in the linen closet. Historically, the south had stricter gun laws than most of the US). In other words, nothing. There will be no noontime duels, shoot outs over parking spaces, or any other bad things.
What does this law have to do with gay bashing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Pistols

http://www.alternet.org/rights/50039/


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Response to gejohnston (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:33 PM

5. Kinda mainstream among GOP/NRA douchebags

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:35 PM

6. do you ever have anything of substance to say?

as is, you are not doing your cause any favors.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:41 PM

7. My cause is to expose GOP/NRA gun insanity for what it is - extremism - it is not "mainstream"

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:58 PM

11. How do you feel about anti-gun/Brady insanity and extremsim?

Last edited Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)

yup

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 19, 2012, 10:57 AM

28. It is neither

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 19, 2012, 11:14 AM

29. Hahaha, ok. I guess the self-delusion is complete.



yup
yup
yup

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:44 PM

21. You are asking for something other than teenage intellect and name calling.

 

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Response to jpak (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:57 PM

10. Only in the way that it is mainstream among anti-gun/Brady douchebags.

yup

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:22 PM

3. the second paragraph is

more than reasonable. Aside violating the 5A, many of those guns most likely landed up in the personal collections of NOPD and Blackwater.

For instance, any church or business, such as a restaurant or bar, would be able to decide whether to allow concealed weapons, he said, and regulations that limit the right to carry, such as when consuming alcohol, are still in place.

How is that unreasonable? A church is the same as any other business. To treat churches different than other private property turns it into a church/state issue.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:46 PM

8. tell that to the pastor who daughter had her brains blown out in flroida nt

 

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Response to tech_smythe (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:49 PM

9. still a church state issue

and that is something I am an absolutist about.

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Response to tech_smythe (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 19, 2012, 01:08 AM

25. Or you could look at an incident like the mass shooting at Wedgwood Baptist in 1999

or the several mass shootings at churches since.

I don't believe it unreasonable that a person with a Concealed Handgun License would carrying a concealed weapon in a church as a means of self-defense (and to possibly defend other congregants).

There is no special magical protection which emanates from the altar...and the same rule - that the police have no duty to protect any individual - exist here as well.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 05:01 PM

12. The right wingers supporting this have always loved guns and intimidation.


They probably all see themselves like former Governor Lester Maddox who rose to "fame" chasing Blacks out of his restaurant with a gun. Neil Boortz actually got his start in hate politics writing racist speeches for the racist, gun toting "gubnor."

Guns have an ugly history here.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 06:03 PM

15. and pick handles

and I was in 4th grade in Wyoming, so what does that have to do with me? When I was in South Carolina, most of gun owners I knew were also African American.
Gun control also has an ugly history in the south, that is why until the 1960s, it had stricter laws than most of the US outside of New York. Some of them have since been repealed. Do you think the NAACP supported South Carolina's 1902-1965 handgun ban? North Carolina's licencing? Texas required a licience for handguns 100 years ago. Look up Texas v Miller 1894.
Florida banned open carry in 1893 because the sight of black migrant workers "toting" scared the shit out of white people.

http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134:kopel201099&catid=20:firearmsinc&Itemid=20

Canada's 1934 handgun law was all about fear of immigrants, nothing about "civil society".
Oh yeah, Maddox is fucking dead. The south of that time period is on life support, if not dead. Much of Florida is Long Island south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Maddox

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 06:20 PM

16. Most mayors are against guns in their cities too. Why, because more guns are not the answer.


Restrict them for everyone -- like most countries do.

As to racist Lester Maddox -- an uneducated man at best -- he started with guns, then went to ax handles so he could sell them for a small amount to the racist who loved him for chasing Black famalies -- including women and little kids -- down the street with his friggin gun. You find me a confederate flag waver and I'll show you a racist and gun toter. I'd rather the worthless souls leave them at home.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 06:27 PM

17. most mayors?

Other than MAIG, and they have more felons per captia than the NRA has CCWs.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:08 PM

33. Well, let's not forget the "white" collar criminals/racketeers at Glock.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:21 PM

34. glock.....ummmmmmm

Nice choice.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:22 PM

35. pass a law that police departments need to buy US

not Austrian.

Taking police buyers to strip bars? A free trip to a strip club ended Smith and Wesson's near monopoly?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 02:29 PM

36. That's great -- we'll just let criminals and racketeers take over the distribution of guns.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:46 PM

37. With the M&P line they're winning back some of those contracts.

along with some healthy incentives.


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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:46 PM

22. "gubnor"? A little bigotry showing here towards the people of Georgia?

 

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 19, 2012, 01:08 AM

26. Toward racists who elected an uneducated man for simple reason he chased Blacks down street with gun


I guess that is OK with you?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 12:49 AM

30. Bigotry is bigotry, guess that confirms it

 

"Toward racists who elected an uneducated man for simple reason he chased Blacks down street with gun"


And as usual you have no fucking clue what you talk about, you only make excuses.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 08:09 AM

31. "Bigotry is bigotry" -- No it is not. I would hope you too detest folks like Lester Maddox.


But I forgot, he used a gun so he has to be a model citizen in your mind.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 20, 2012, 09:02 AM

32. Actually

I do, so do you apply guilt by association to everything? Maddox is dead.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 05:02 PM

13. Everywhere? All the time? Really?

Does the bill require you to allow them into your home?

Oh.

So its not really "everywhere" or "all the time" at all, is it.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 05:21 PM

14. (guns everywhere all the time)

"For instance, any church or business, such as a restaurant or bar, would be able to decide whether to allow concealed weapons, he said, and regulations that limit the right to carry, such as when consuming alcohol, are still in place."

I don't believe that you even read your own posts. And I know that you rarely even bother to answer questions, exept to be dirisive and somewhat vulger ( I wonder what happened to "civil discourse"in your posts) answers.



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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:11 PM

18. "(guns everywhere all the time)"

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 10:27 PM

24. Would you care to expand...

...how you think this post violates the Terms of Service and/or the Copyright Policy?

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Mon Feb 20, 2012, 03:59 PM

38. ok. consider the bold to be violations (imo) others feel free to add or change:

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:40 PM

19. welcome to yesterday...

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:42 PM

20. Only morons or douchebags would say the bill would allow

 

guns everywhere all the time. I would call it intellectual dishonesty but that would be saying that there is some sort of intellect there.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:21 PM

23. I believe it is closer to a lie.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:36 AM

27. To bad it's not (DEM) in front but I'll let anyone carry my water.

 

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