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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:11 AM

Would Gay Voters Really Fall for a Pro-Marriage Equality GOP?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171160/would-gay-voters-really-fall-pro-marriage-equality-gop

A few hours after watching this tearjerking ad run by the Maine marriage equality campaign—in which an elderly man, arm around his gay granddaughter, says “It takes a lot of bravery to be a lesbian”—I read an oddly deflating Slate piece about how the gay marriage battles in Minnesota, Maryland, Maine and Washington (yes, all four) were won. Spoiler: it’s not because a majority of voters in those states witnessed a particularly persuasive kiss-in at the local mall. Instead:

For decades, gay advocates had framed their arguments in terms of equal rights and government benefits, often using rhetoric that was confrontational (“We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it”) and demanding (“We deserve equal rights now!”). Third Way, a centrist think tank working in the coalition with Freedom To Marry, began to unpack exactly how straight people reacted to such tactics. The group found that when straight people were asked what marriage meant to them, they spoke of love, commitment and responsibility. But when asked why they thought gay people wanted to marry, they cited rights and benefits. Tapping into anti-gay stereotypes, they suggested gay people wanted marriage for selfish reasons while they themselves wanted to express love and commitment.

So this time around, the pro–marriage equality contingent emphasized ““love, commitment, family,” with no mention of rights or benefits.” In response to research finding that parents worried about ceding control over their children’s values education to schools, the Maine campaign created an ad in which a teacher and her husband reassert that “No law is going to change the core values we teach our kids here at home.”

Why was this so disappointing to read? Election Day seemed to herald the arrival of a new America—Liberal America, as Ben Smith and Zeke Miller deemed it. Not only was Obama back in office, but Elizabeth Warren and Tammy Baldwin were going to Washington! Californians voted to raise taxes! Marylanders voted for a state DREAM Act! Here, though, was an indication that support for marriage equality dovetailed uncomfortably with appeals to conservative values.

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Reply Would Gay Voters Really Fall for a Pro-Marriage Equality GOP? (Original post)
xchrom Nov 2012 OP
lalalu Nov 2012 #1
William769 Nov 2012 #2
dlwickham Nov 2012 #3
marginlized Nov 2012 #4
lalalu Nov 2012 #5
MNBrewer Nov 2012 #6
Fearless Nov 2012 #10
marginlized Nov 2012 #7
Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #8
MNBrewer Nov 2012 #9

Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:20 AM

1. I support gay marriage because

 

gay people should go through the same bureaucracy and misery as straight people. Forget all the other nonsense.

Gay people should also have to put up and commit. No more "gee, I would marry you but the law..." Straight guys would love to have that excuse but they don't

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Response to lalalu (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:04 AM

2. Thats a great reason for supporting marriage equality.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:59 PM

3. thanks for your support

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:49 PM

4. So you're asking what does the GOP stand for.

If Republicans return to their fiscal conservative roots and drop the social engineering rhetoric, there's nothing to keep gays and lesbians from joining them. Many would. Personally, I don't understand why a lot of gay people are Christian, but I'm usually the only atheist at the dinner party.

As long as Republicans want to criminalize homosexuality, as they stated in the Texas party's 2010 platform, they'll tend to alienate people.

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Response to marginlized (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:01 PM

5. "I don't understand why a lot of gay people are Christian"

 

I have had that same argument with some gay people I know who go to church regularly. They just tell me I am going to hell

Seriously they tell me they find comfort in going to church. I don't get it.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:39 PM

6. I don't understand why anyone is, to be honest, gay or not.

But then again, if it weren't for my boyfriend, *I'd* often been the only atheist at the dinner party, too.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:37 PM

10. Ditto. Frequently if not always.

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Response to xchrom (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:17 PM

7. A better question: Would Republicans ever advocate for Marriage Equality?

One could cynically speculate that they'll come fishing for every last percentage point for their next win. But equality before the law and keeping government out of people's bedrooms fits perfectly well with a small-government, less-regulation platform. In fact Walter Olson over at the Huff Post wrote that some Republicans are already voting in favor of marriage equality.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walter-olson/maryland-gay-marriage_b_2094675.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices

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Response to marginlized (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:36 PM

8. I definitely saw a lot of this

I frequent a gun forum for Marylanders, and it's dominated by Republicans. Even so, there was a very large contingent of posters who were vocal about their support for marriage equality. It was very encouraging to see my friends on the right speaking up for their neighbors like that. Here's hoping this is a sign of things to come.

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Response to marginlized (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:41 PM

9. The Republicans who are actually serious about small government

would have to push through a divorce with the Republicans who just want a government small enough to fit in your bedroom.

Social conservatives have no-where else to go at the moment, Herman Cain's 3rd party dreams not withstanding.

I don't really care which faction gets to keep the house after the divorce, either way the Republicans wind up split and less effective.

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