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Sun Jun 3, 2012, 06:16 PM

MK: Shoot everyone trying to cross Israel border

MK Aryeh Eldad makes remarks during tour of Israel-Egypt border fence with other MKs, as immigration authority begins enforcing new migrant law.

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"During a tour of the Israel-Egypt border on Sunday, MK Aryeh Eldad (National Union) said that IDF forces should shoot at anyone that crosses into Israeli territory.

“Anyone that penetrates Israel’s border should be shot, a Swedish tourist, Sudanese from Eritrea, Eritreans from Sudan, Asians from Sinai. Whoever touches Israel’s border – shot,” said Eldad.

Eldad, along with other members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee toured the Israel-Egypt border on Sunday, and received a briefing from Southern Front commander Maj. Gen. Tal Russo on Israel Defense Forces activities in the sector."

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"MK Eldad, who stated that anyone approaching the fence should be shot, attempted to mitigate his statements. “It isn’t feasible to shoot anyone just climbing the fence – because bleeding hearts groups will immediately begin to shriek and turn to the courts. I don’t see the IDF handing down orders to shoot at people climbing the fence empty handed. The best alternative is prolonged imprisonment. Anyone attempting to cross the fence will be given a long jail sentence,” said Eldad."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/mk-shoot-everyone-trying-to-cross-israel-border-1.434167

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Reply MK: Shoot everyone trying to cross Israel border (Original post)
Scurrilous Jun 2012 OP
MrSlayer Jun 2012 #1
King_David Jun 2012 #6
MrSlayer Jun 2012 #11
King_David Jun 2012 #12
MrSlayer Jun 2012 #14
King_David Jun 2012 #15
azurnoir Jun 2012 #16
MrSlayer Jun 2012 #17
azurnoir Jun 2012 #18
pelsar Jun 2012 #19
azurnoir Jun 2012 #2
holdencaufield Jun 2012 #3
azurnoir Jun 2012 #4
holdencaufield Jun 2012 #5
azurnoir Jun 2012 #7
Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #8
JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #9
azurnoir Jun 2012 #10
shira Jun 2012 #13
pelsar Jun 2012 #20

Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 06:28 PM

1. Sounds like a fucking Nazi.

 

Or a teabagger which is, of course, the same thing. Just who is this guy exactly and what position does he hold?

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:05 AM

6. 'Sounds like a fucking Nazi'


In Israel ? I have heard this before.

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Response to King_David (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:00 PM

11. If the shoe fits.

 

I too find it sickening.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:30 PM

12. IP guidlines FYI

'Do not compare Middle East regional leaders and parties to Hitler or the Nazis. Use of these terms is considered inflammatory and should be avoided'

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Response to King_David (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 10:37 PM

14. Really?

 

So even though this guy is talking and acting just like a Nazi, I can't point it out? Kind of dumb but ok. I won't do it anymore.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:30 AM

16. The post was alerted on and the jury decided to let it stand

Sounds like a fucking Nazi.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=10836

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

calling a Jew Nazi definitely antisemitic

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:16 AM, and voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No free passes from being criticized in this manner just because they were the victims before. In fact he's providing a pretty good argument against anti-Jewish racism by displaying the uglier side of human nature when in a position to do so, a trait all too common across all races.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No problem with the comment on my end
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: I'm slightly unsure about this. I've heard Israelis described as Nazis here before and it has been allowed to stand. I have no love for right wing ideology -if that's what it is-but I don't think we should encourage these comparisons because they are hurtful and offensive, given the history of the Jewish people
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's hard to tell one Right winger from another, especially when it comes to the USA and Israel.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you.


this is DU3 and the rulz have changed a bit as I was the one that alerted on the post

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:49 AM

17. Hooray for common sense then.

 

Can't say I'm thrilled that you called me anti-Semitic in the stupid alert though. That is an unjust falsehood.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:59 AM

18. well I didn't call you antisemtic what my alert meant was that the statement

could be taken that way and as you can see it was

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:10 AM

19. actually your comment, the comparison was probably meant for those of limited knowledge

Last edited Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:29 PM - Edit history (1)

so i shall enlighten you (and some others). The Nazis, which had a whole philosophy of superior humans vs the lesser brands had, for example, a philosophy of medical experiments on those lesser humans, camps where they killed people wholesale, called concentration camps, where they would herd people in "showers" and then gas them, this killing was based on the religion, sexual orientation, genetics and other aspects that had nothing to do with anything other than a philosophy of genetic superiority and removing the lesser humans. The Nazi also killed in other less efficient ways such as lining people in front of ditches and shooting them one by one or working them to death (i believe 10,000 died working on the V2 rockets for instance)

The above is the core of what Nazism is all about. The Nazis were also nice to each other, had good social benefits, wore spiffy uniforms, and had other aspects that can be compared to other armies and societies that can be considered normal and good.
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so now we come to your comparison: what the MK said was within the bounds of a country at war, which israel is not with Egypt. The guy certainly had an "non thinking emotional" comment and quickly mitigated his statement.

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now that you've been enlighten about what Nazism is all about, and that it has little to do with what MK stated, you can mitigate your statement, much like the MK (seems you two have similar traits)

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:06 AM

2. Netanyahu orders swift deportation of 25,000 illegal African migrants

Orders acceleration of holding facility construction for citizens of Eritrea and Sudan who cannot be deported due to conditions in their home countries.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered his ministers to accelerate efforts to deport citizens of South Sudan, the Ivory Coast, Ghana and Ethiopia who are living in Israel illegally on Sunday.

Speaking at Sunday's cabinet meeting, Netanyahu said that while it is not possible to expel citizens of Eritrea and Sudan, whose lives would be at risk in their home countries, holding facilities for them must be built in the Negev as quickly as possible.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-orders-swift-deportation-of-25-000-illegal-african-migrants-1.434190

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:37 AM

3. How many other countries...

 

... have the EXACT same policy towards illegal immigrants?

Including the US, much of Europe, and almost all of Asia. I applaud the decision to not expel illegal immigrants who face real peril in their home countries.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:27 AM

4. yes that's right Israel offers asylum to one group and one group only

I forgot but at least it's willing to build camps for some of those who may face death at home deserves an award I tell you

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 03:29 AM

5. As much as you'd love to...

 

... you can't demonize Israel for a policy towards illegal immigration that is identical to that of many other democracies around the globe -- including your own.

Not unless you want to be branded an ideologue or a fanatically anti-Israel.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:59 AM

7. Lol n/t

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:25 PM

8. Sounds like Arizona

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:59 PM

9. That was my first thought too

Maybe this gentleman in Israel is getting tips from Brewer? Hmm . . .

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 03:34 PM

10. New law allows Israel to jail migrants for up to 3 years

Israel amended an immigration law on Sunday which will grant authorities the power to imprison asylum seekers for up to three years, Israeli daily Haaretz reported.

The amended version of a 1954 law, entitled Prevention of Infiltration, will make asylum seekers liable to imprisonment without trial or deportation.

Anyone caught helping migrants could also face a potential prison sentence of five to 15 years, Haaretz reported.

Migrants in Israel will also be more susceptible to imprisonment for minor infractions such as petty theft or graffiti.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=491876

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:35 PM

13. In unprecedented move, Israel's Foreign Ministry (Lieberman) condemns violence

In unprecedented move, Israel's Foreign Ministry condemns violence against African migrants

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/in-unprecedented-move-israel-s-foreign-ministry-condemns-violence-against-african-migrants-1.434377

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Response to shira (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:29 AM

20. the israeli "right"....

is far more left than many other societies.... most of the derogatory comments of the israeli right are based on ignorance or the "colonial mentality" we see in the far left. They confuse the religious elements of the society with the secular right and believe they are one and the same. Its probably easier for ranting and emotional statements, but has little to do with reality.

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