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Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:45 PM

The Plague. It went places.



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Reply The Plague. It went places. (Original post)
MrScorpio Apr 2013 OP
lindysalsagal Apr 2013 #1
MrScorpio Apr 2013 #3
Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #6
MrScorpio Apr 2013 #7
Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #8
RZM Apr 2013 #23
Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #24
WilmywoodNCparalegal Apr 2013 #2
cliffordu Apr 2013 #12
Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #4
MrScorpio Apr 2013 #5
Recursion Apr 2013 #14
Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #16
onehandle Apr 2013 #9
Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #10
Chellee Apr 2013 #11
freshwest Apr 2013 #13
Recursion Apr 2013 #15
Brigid Apr 2013 #19
sarge43 Apr 2013 #20
freshwest Apr 2013 #21
sarge43 Apr 2013 #25
freshwest Apr 2013 #26
sarge43 Apr 2013 #27
MiddleFingerMom Apr 2013 #17
Loryn Apr 2013 #18
rug Apr 2013 #22

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:49 PM

1. "Bring out yer dead!" "I'm feeling quite better!"

And it all started in Sicily.....

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:51 PM

3. It actually started in Constantinople. Sicily was one of the early infection points as key port nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:57 PM

6. It began in China or central Asia and traveled along the Silk Road to Crimea

or central Asia (think Kazakhstan) and traveled along the Silk Road to the Crimea by 1346.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:57 PM

7. Thanks nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:59 PM

8. You're welcome....

I read a fascinating book a few years back about the Black Death plague.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:54 PM

23. Yes. And then I believe a Genoese ship brought it to Italy fromt he Crimea? I think anyway n/t

 

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Response to RZM (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:09 PM

24. Yes, that is presumed to be the route....following trade routes n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:50 PM

2. At first read, I thought the post was a cautionary tale for proper dental hygiene - I read 'plaque'

instead of 'plague.'

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Response to WilmywoodNCparalegal (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 01:48 AM

12. You owe me a new monitor.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:52 PM

4. Intersting explanations as to why

Poland avoided the plague and how Milan survived!

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:56 PM

5. There are some possible reasons explained in the link comments nt

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:34 AM

14. IIRC Milan refused to take refugees, and Christians were afraid to go to Poland

because Jewish people lived there.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 09:01 AM

16. The good people of Milan, burned down the houses where plague was suspected

over the heads of those inside...I've read this in other sources.... Lucky thing for the Jews of Poland, many of whom had been evicted from their homeland, plague found little purchase in Poland because Jews did not throw excrement into the streets and even bathed!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 09:07 PM

9. Yay Maps!

Oh Fuck! Plague!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2013, 11:58 PM

10. I was bullish on it.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:25 AM

13. Why did it miss Poland (?) repeatedly?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 03:34 AM

15. As W reminds us...

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Response to freshwest (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 01:25 PM

19. I was about to ask the same thing.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:29 PM

20. In her book, A Distant Mirror, Barbara Tuchman said that

the Polish government established a stringent quarantine at all border crossings and ports. FWIW

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:35 PM

21. Thanks, I hadn't considered that 'government' was strong enough to do that back then.

But then, my knowledge of the era is strictly from an Anglo perspective. Appreciate insight from you on this question here and your other posts.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:20 PM

25. The Polish government of that time was quite strong, centralized and enlightened

Another factor by the time the Black Death got to Eastern Europe it was beginning to burn itself out. Virulent plagues tend to kill off too many hosts thus leaving too few vectors. So they generally will either die off or mutate into a less lethal strain.

Timing and good planning

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:33 PM

26. I've read too, that Norwegians who survived have a certain anomaly in their blood. Wish I could find

the article, but it was considered to be an unhealthy trait. It said there were blood factors more vigorous persons had which the plague bacteria could use to multiply faster. Those without it, were more likely to survive.

So that some genetics that might not be considered the best overall, helped people to survive. I found that a bit mind boggling, considering our present beliefs about health. Extraordinary.

Polish strength or wealth may explain why they were often invaded. It's not mentioned in the history books I've read that much, only in passing. Much is excluded by historians...


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Response to freshwest (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:41 PM

27. Wealth and some of the best farm land in Europe nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 10:52 AM

17. Geography's not my strong point, but it looks like...

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... it stopped advancing northward when it reached the Canadian border.
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Poutine -- is there anything it can't do?
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Response to MiddleFingerMom (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 17, 2013, 11:15 AM

18. I hope you're happy.

You made me spit out my tea.


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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:43 PM

22. What's with Milan?

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