Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:28 PM
alp227 (20,410 posts)
Five myths about Obama’s stimulus
About the author: Michael Grunwald, a former Washington Post reporter, is a senior national correspondent at Time magazine and the author of “The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era.”
President Obama’s February 2009 stimulus bill, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, was a political disaster. It helped fuel the Republican revival of 2010 and now stars in Mitt Romney’s ads. The president even stopped uttering the word “stimulus.” But the $787 billion bill was one of the most important and least understood pieces of legislation in modern history. It was the purest distillation of what Obama meant by change, transforming our approaches to energy, education, health care, transportation and the economy, promoting long-term reinvestment as well as short-term recovery. Just about everything Americans think they know about it is wrong. Here are a few examples. 1. The stimulus didn’t create jobs. 2. The stimulus was full of waste, pork and fraud. 3. The stimulus should have been much bigger. It’s true that a bigger stimulus would have provided a bigger economic jolt and accelerated the sluggish recovery...the bill needed 60 votes in the Senate to overcome a Republican filibuster, and the three GOP moderates who supported it insisted that it couldn’t exceed $800 billion. So did at least half a dozen centrist Democrats, including Ben Nelson (Neb.), Mark Begich (Alaska) and Mary Landrieu (La.). Everyone involved in the negotiations — including liberals who favored a larger stimulus — agrees that Obama got as much as he could get.
4. Unlike the New Deal, the stimulus will leave no legacy. 5. The stimulus showed that Obama can’t legislate. Full explanations: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-obamas-stimulus/2012/08/10/7935341e-e176-11e1-ae7f-d2a13e249eb2_singlePage.html
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| alp227 | Aug 2012 | OP | |
| Bennyboy | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
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| MannyGoldstein | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
| jade3000 | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
| billky | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
| alp227 | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
| billky | Aug 2012 | #7 |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:37 PM
Bennyboy (9,034 posts)
1. K and R'd (NT)
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:39 AM
Bennyboy (9,034 posts)
2. Obama Stimulus Created The Equivalent Of 12 Hoover Dams
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The idea that President Obama’s stimulus package failed is a favorite Republican canard, even as economic consensus and actual fact prove the oft-repeated statement that “the stimulus didn’t work” false. Nevertheless, Republicans and conservative commentators continue to recycle this myth.
The latest example is conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer, who today published a column in which he blasts the stimulus as a failed policy. Krauthammer’s evidence for that failure is that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, as the stimulus is properly known, didn’t generate a project as big as the Hoover Dam: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/10/676031/obama-stimulus-created-the-equivalent-of-12-hoover-dams/ |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:24 AM
MannyGoldstein (21,415 posts)
3. What percentage of it was tax cuts
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to the top 10% of Americans?
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #3)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:23 AM
jade3000 (234 posts)
4. Exactly, the tax cuts really ruined it
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Tax cuts are questionable as "stimulus" measures. Spending on infrastructure and energy are much clearer jobs creators and serve the same purpose of getting more money into the hands of consumers. It shouldn't be called a $787 billion stimulus. I forget the exact numbers, but it should be called the $499 billion stimulus and $288 billion tax cut.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:10 AM
billky (159 posts)
5. Stimulus just spent out in Ky.
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I looked at our Kentucky State page a while back, and found out the stimulus just ran out and that the state has been using it for 3 years. What some of these people don't know, is that this may be the very thing that kept them their job or somebody they know. People just won't look up facts anymore. I told people this, and they more or less said I was lying.
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Response to billky (Reply #5)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:27 PM
alp227 (20,410 posts)
6. Where is that page?
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When the stimulus passed, your two senators were Mitch "one term president" McConnell and either baseball great Jim Bunning. In the house, KY had two Democrats and four Republicans. So KY would not have gotten as much funding.
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Response to alp227 (Reply #6)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:48 PM
billky (159 posts)
7. stimulus
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I found it while I was searching the Ky General Assembly; I was trying to find out who they doled the money out to.
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