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Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:35 AM

Boston Suspects Are Seen as Self-Taught and Fueled by Web

Source: NYT

The portrait investigators have begun to piece together of the two brothers suspected of the Boston Marathon bombings suggests that they were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs but were not acting with known terrorist groups — and that they may have learned to build bombs simply by logging onto the online English-language magazine of the affiliate of Al Qaeda in Yemen, law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

The investigation into the bombings is still in its earliest stages, and federal authorities were still in the process of corroborating some of the admissions that law enforcement officials said were made by the surviving suspect in the attacks, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. But they said some of his statements suggested that the two brothers could represent the kind of emerging threat that federal authorities have long feared: angry and alienated young men, apparently self-trained and unaffiliated with any particular terrorist group, able to use the Internet to learn their lethal craft.

Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican who serves on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters after emerging from a two-hour classified briefing with F.B.I. and intelligence officials Tuesday evening that the suspects were most likely radicalized over the Internet, but that investigators were still searching for possible sources of inspiration or support overseas.

“The increasing signals are that these were individuals who were radicalized, especially the older brother, over a period of time — radicalized by Islamist fundamentalist terrorists, basically using Internet sources to gain not just the types of philosophical beliefs that radicalized them, but also learning components of how to do these sorts of things,” Mr. Rubio told reporters.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-marathon-bombing-developments.html?_r=0

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Reply Boston Suspects Are Seen as Self-Taught and Fueled by Web (Original post)
Turborama Apr 2013 OP
Pholus Apr 2013 #1
Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #14
Pholus Apr 2013 #20
onehandle Apr 2013 #2
IrishAyes Apr 2013 #18
FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #3
eggplant Apr 2013 #5
FailureToCommunicate Apr 2013 #11
Earth_First Apr 2013 #4
cprise Apr 2013 #16
treestar Apr 2013 #6
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #7
treestar Apr 2013 #8
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #9
treestar Apr 2013 #10
geek tragedy Apr 2013 #12
treestar Apr 2013 #13
Deny and Shred Apr 2013 #15
IrishAyes Apr 2013 #17
warrprayer Apr 2013 #19

Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:38 AM

1. So a "lone wolf?"

Just kidding. That's only true if they're white and Christian. This is terrorism of course.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 11:12 AM

14. To be 'lone' requires there to be just one. Lone does not mean 'the two' it means 'the solitary'

These guys were not lone anything. There were two of them.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:50 AM

20. Really. See the definition that is actually used....

refers to the tactics, not the head count. A "lone wolf" acts without material support from outside groups, without orders coming from a command structure and without personal contact with the group with which they identify. That makes them hard to catch by classic law enforcement techniques (since they work by watching who is talking to who through surveilance).

To continue cribbing from Wikipedia and adding the emphases...

According to the Anti-Defamation League, the term "lone wolf" was popularized by white supremacists Alex Curtis and Tom Metzger in the 1990s. Metzger advocated individual or small-cell underground activity, as opposed to above-ground membership organizations, envisaging "warriors acting alone or in small groups who attacked the government or other targets in 'daily, anonymous acts.'" He referred to these warriors as "lone wolves".


Now in the U.S. both Timothy McVeigh and John Allen Muhammad were both deemed classic examples of lone wolves by law enforcement. Neither acted completely alone. I seem to remember both had helpers (Terry Nichols and Lee Boyd Malvo).

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:10 AM

2. No orders from overseas. No terror cell. Just fucked up people with gunpowder and guns.

Militias are full of these types.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:19 PM

18. And I live near quite a few

In the MidWest boonies. They've made it plain enough that their first targets in the race war they anticipate and try to provoke will be whites who stood against them. I make it quite clear right back that if they ever try any such foolishness (which privately I figure they will someday), then they will find out what federal power can do.

A few weeks ago I sent in another of my usual polite letters to the editor of our local weekly (wide regional circulation) with my standard pro-Democrat stance on things, and the next week there was a reply from another reader whose screech could be heard around the world. Besides calling everything out of a Democrat's mouth untrue, he bellowed that we were "LYING HYENAS OF SOCIALISM!" (My knees really shook at that one.) Oh, and we're all lazy and greedy too, just in case you didn't know.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:30 AM

3. "..angry and alienated young men...able to use the Internet to learn their lethal craft."

THat's NOT what young men should be using the internet for...

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:15 AM

5. They weren't looking at enough

cats.

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Response to eggplant (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 09:46 AM

11. Of course that's what I meant

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 07:40 AM

4. Here comes a wave of internet censorship quotes from the experts... n/t

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 05:07 PM

16. Censor the NYT

They are mostly Web-based these days, and they play a key role in inciting senseless violence.

You see how easy that is?

It amazes me how establishment corps like these turn into propaganda organs for the knee-jerk set.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:20 AM

6. So no reason to blame the FBI

for not realizing a mere trip overseas to a location where his family is from should not have informed them he would commit a bombing in the future.

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Response to treestar (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:37 AM

7. Except that the Russians warned the FBI several times about their radical Islamic ties (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:38 AM

8. What radical ties?

This article is about how they had none.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:47 AM

10. ...

The FBI acknowledged Friday that it had investigated Tsarnaev in 2011, even interviewing him and his family, but “did not find any terrorism activity,” either domestic or foreign.


Some on DU would be screaming about the government surveilling people just because they were Muslim.

The FBI can be interviewing people today. They have no idea what those people will do in 2015. This practically calls for a surveillance state.

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Response to treestar (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 09:55 AM

12. This is the balancing act a lot of people simply refuse to acknowledge.

It's remarkable how many people went from "government surveillance is tyranny" to "why didn't they have a wiretap up this guy's ass wherever he went?"

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:34 AM

13. Exactly!

I've been listening/watching MSNBC a lot more since the bombing and I am tired of hearing about the FBI "dropping the ball" - as if the government can have a wiretap up the ass of everyone they get any information on, and as if the government was supposed to think there was something super suspicious about someone traveling to a country their family is from.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 12:28 PM

15. Self Taught and Fueled by the Web ??

Let's ban self teaching (learning) and the Web. Problem solved.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:09 PM

17. Charlie Rose

had a guest last night who was former CIA, and his opinion was that the bombing had just as much Columbine in it as jihad, because neither of the two brothers had a deep intellectual understanding of history and background. They were alienated young men who seized upon jihad as a handy excuse to wreak the havoc they wanted to inflict just for its own sake. Whereas the older al Qaeda captives were soaked to the bone in ideology and would never repent of their evil, Charlie's guest believes the youngest brother this time probably will eventually. Not that it will do him much good on earth, because he's probably going to get the death penalty.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 06:30 PM

19. yeah the media

seems to be pounding the "no outside connection" drum very loudly. Which sets off bullshit alarm in my head, especially since they are pounding it just days later before any in depth investigation could possibly be made.

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